THE CORRUPT CAREER OF ALFONSE D'AMATO
Dave Brickner
I'll agree that De Amoto is not a savory character in his own right, but that
does not detract in the least bit from the "continuing criminal enterprise"
which is called the Clinton administration.........Besides
Alphonse don't have near as many dead bodies around his career.
Tim Hill
Pray tell, how many bodies is that.
The last count I heard was 3,500. Please tell us what it is now, so
that we can judge the veracity of your statement.
Tim Hill
"I congratulate you as a comrade and brother-in-arms
in the struggle for national liberation"
--Vladimir Zhirinovsky congratulating Pat Buchanan after NH win
SMILIN F
Alphonse's financial shenanigans. Definitely changes the picture. Too
bad Chertoff and/or Guilianani never went after him. The web adress is:
http://www.sfbayguardian.com/Politics/96_02/022196damato.html
Maybe somebody can post it here, too.
M.E. Cooper
: The San Francisco Bay Guardian this week has an excellent piece on King
Now the DOB's (Defenders of Bill) are finding solace by attacking the
messenger.
David Porter
: I'll agree that De Amoto is not a savory character in his own right, but that
: does not detract in the least bit from the "continuing criminal enterprise"
: which is called the Clinton administration........
Get your facts straight. There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay
or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his administration
in Whitewater. Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and she's
not a member of the administration, just the wife of the president. This
is beside the fact that there still remains no evidence of wrongdoing on
her part.
OTOH, anyone who remembers D'Amato's candidly corrupt days as a local
Helpstead politico knows what this lowlife is capable of to promote
himself.
Barnard N. Madsen
> Dave Brickner (dave...@brutus.bright.net) wrote:
>
> : I'll agree that De Amoto is not a savory character in his own right,
but that
> : does not detract in the least bit from the "continuing criminal enterprise"
> : which is called the Clinton administration........
>
> Get your facts straight. There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay
> or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his administration
> in Whitewater. Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and she's
> not a member of the administration, just the wife of the president. This
> is beside the fact that there still remains no evidence of wrongdoing on
> her part.
Try conspiracy to commit bank fraud, bank fraud, obstruction of justice,
check kiting, lying to investigators, perjury -- just for starters. The
more documents that dribble out and the more WH witnesses "can't
remember," the more it smells of a coverup. For a WH that has acted like
it had nothing to hide, the latest revelations from Kenndy's and Ickes'
notes sure like a bunch of people with something to hide.
> OTOH, anyone who remembers D'Amato's candidly corrupt days as a local
> Helpstead politico knows what this lowlife is capable of to promote
> himself.
The age-old misdirection argument of "the pot calling the kettle black"
doesn't make the kettle *white*. You can start an investigation on
D'Amato next year. In the meantime, please explain all of the
"inadvertent staff oversights" resulting in documents under subpoena
finally dribbling out. Please explain how Mrs Clinton's billing records
suddenly appeared in the WH private residence. This isn't partisan
politics or a self-promotion job by D'Amato. The more we learn, the more
unanswered questions there are. And it keeps looking worse for the WH.
Dan Thornsberry
I thought it was Alfonse D'Amafia.
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The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty;
but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong,
means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the
weak. -Will Durant
Barnard N. Madsen
> There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay or otherwise, implicating
Bill > Clinton or any member in his administration in Whitewater.
Webster Hubble, former #3 at Justice, former partner at Rose Law Firm,
pled guilty, is now serving jail term.
Give it time.
glindahl
: SMILIN F (smi...@aol.com) wrote:
D'Amato's not a messenger, he's a hatchet man. There is no message,
don't you see, except that the pathetic Republiclown strategy of
continuous rumor mongering, mud slinging, inuendo, and unpatriotic
President bashing, all led by a PIG in a U.S. Senator's suit (and a PIG
this New Yorker will be proud to vote against) is failing badly. Now
let's see how desperate it will get as the Republiclown front runners in
the Presidential race look more and more ridiculous!
Dan Thornsberry
bma...@ids2.idsonline.com says...
>In article <Dn9ry...@magpie.com>, dpo...@magpie.com (David Porter) wrote:
>> OTOH, anyone who remembers D'Amato's candidly corrupt days as a local
>> Helpstead politico knows what this lowlife is capable of to promote
>> himself.
>The age-old misdirection argument of "the pot calling the kettle black"
>doesn't make the kettle *white*. You can start an investigation on
>D'Amato next year. In the meantime, please explain all of the
^^^^^^^^^^
When the right wing extremists have lost control of the house
and the senate.
>"inadvertent staff oversights" resulting in documents under subpoena
>finally dribbling out. Please explain how Mrs Clinton's billing records
>suddenly appeared in the WH private residence. This isn't partisan
>politics or a self-promotion job by D'Amato. The more we learn, the more
>unanswered questions there are. And it keeps looking worse for the WH.
What a moron. She hid them for two years, no one ever
expected to see them reappear, then she changed her mind
and decided to release the records. Stupid stupid stupid
republicans are really grasping at straws. You can visit
Senator D'Amafia in prison long before the little bastard
finds anything in whitewater.
Anthony Severdia
writes:
> The San Francisco Bay Guardian this week has an excellent piece on
King
>Alphonse's financial shenanigans. Definitely changes the picture.
Too
>bad Chertoff and/or Guilianani never went after him. The web adress
is:
> http://www.sfbayguardian.com/Politics/96_02/022196damato.html
>
>Maybe somebody can post it here, too.
WHO believes the SF Bay Guardian? A few fringies, I suppose ..
but is it real news?
TimoW1
Try conspiracy to commit bank fraud, bank fraud, obstruction of justice,
check kiting, lying to investigators, perjury -- just for starters. The
more documents that dribble out and the more WH witnesses "can't
remember," the more it smells of a coverup. For a WH that has acted like
it had nothing to hide, the latest revelations from Kenndy's and Ickes'
notes sure like a bunch of people with something to hide.>>>
He might have added acceptance of a bribe. Starr's latest indictment
includes an interesting scenario at the Arkansas Governor's Mansion in
1990, where Herby Branscum is calling on Gov. Clinton with $7,000.00 in
cash illegally removed from Herby's Bank of Perry County:
Herby: Bill, I had to bust my ass to get this cash together for you, and
if the feds ever find out how I did it my ass is under the jailhouse.
Now, like I said before, this little bit added to all the rest gets me to
the big time, goddammit! The Highway Commission.
Slick: Look, Herby, I told you the last appointment had to go where it
went 'cause of Hilla the Hun - you ever faced a pit bull with a corncob
soaked in kerosene stuck up its ass?
Herby: I know what you mean - I stay the hell away from her. But back to
the subject at hand - or in this satchel, to be precise. Do I get the
appointment or not?
Slick: I told you if we slicked 'em again, you got it. I "promised" the
yokels I wouldn't run for president if they'd vote me in one more time,
and Jesus Christ! they believed me. I don't need this godforsaken pissant
state to get to the Big House, so I don't really give a shit what they
think about my appointing someone like you to the Commission - you're in,
next vacancy.
And as the world turns, Herby received his appointment, the very next
vacancy.
Tim Watson
HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.
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Dan Thornsberry (tbe...@computek.net) wrote:
: What a moron. She hid them for two years, no one ever
: expected to see them reappear, then she changed her mind
: and decided to release the records. Stupid stupid stupid
: republicans are really grasping at straws. You can visit
: Senator D'Amafia in prison long before the little bastard
: finds anything in whitewater.
I'm not so sure she hid them. Starr and his chamber of deputies was also
in that room. I wonder if Senator Sleaze is going to question them about
the documents.
Probably not.
--
Buddy K
HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.
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Barnard N. Madsen (bma...@ids2.idsonline.com) wrote:
: The age-old misdirection argument of "the pot calling the kettle black"
: doesn't make the kettle *white*. You can start an investigation on
: D'Amato next year. In the meantime, please explain all of the
: "inadvertent staff oversights" resulting in documents under subpoena
: finally dribbling out. Please explain how Mrs Clinton's billing records
: suddenly appeared in the WH private residence. This isn't partisan
: politics or a self-promotion job by D'Amato. The more we learn, the more
: unanswered questions there are. And it keeps looking worse for the WH.
Please explain why Starr and his chamber are not being questioned. They
had access to the WH private residence to search for documents.
Could they have planted them?
--
Buddy K
FizzTwo
In <4glpor$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> smi...@aol.com (SMILIN F)
writes:
>
> The San Francisco Bay Guardian this week has an excellent piece on
King
>Alphonse's financial shenanigans. Definitely changes the picture.
Too
>bad Chertoff and/or Guilianani never went after him. The web adress
is:
> http://www.sfbayguardian.com/Politics/96_02/022196damato.html
>
>Maybe somebody can post it here, too.
KING ALFONSE
[INLINE]
GUARDIAN ILLUSTRATION BY ZACH TRENHOLM
WHY SEN. AL D'AMATO IS A TICKING TIME BOMB FOR DOLE'S '96
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
By Dennis Bernstein
A ROAR OF laughter rolled through the packed Washington,
D.C., offices of the National Republican Senate Committee
in December when GOP presidential hopeful Sen. Bob Dole,
in his tongue-in-cheek fashion, introduced his friend and
colleague Sen. Alfonse D'Amato to his bevy of high-powered
lobbyists. "Al," Dole said, is the only politician in
Washington who, when fund-raising, refuses "to take yes
for an answer."
Dole, who reportedly refers to D'Amato as "King Alfonse,"
is now counting on D'Amato's fund-raising savvy and
friends in all places to bring home the bacon for his
uphill 1996 presidential bid.
"Al is going to join our campaign, not just as one of my
colleagues," Dole said at a March 1995 press conference.
"He's going to join as the chairman of the national
steering committee. And he's going to have an even more
important role in the next two years."
Dole's comment was prescient. That D'Amato is now chair of
the powerful Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs
committee while spearheading the Dole for President
campaign, the Senate Whitewater investigation, and the
National Republican Senatorial Committee's quest for a
veto-proof majority in the Senate is nothing less than
extraordinary. But then, D'Amato's ability to rise
phoenixlike from the ashes of the numerous ethical and
financial scandals that have scorched his 30-year
political career is also extraordinary.
The Republican senator from Island Park, N.Y., is arguably
one of the most corrupt politicians ever to strut the
halls of Congress. More than any other public official in
Washington today, D'Amato epitomizes the old-style machine
politician, consistently demonstrating his disregard for
the public interest while routinely trading political
favors for huge campaign contributions.
"D'Amato could be the poster child for the rotten
campaign-finance system on Capitol hill," said Ann
McBride, president of the national consumer-rights
organization Common Cause, by phone from Washington.
" 'Yes' is definitely only the beginning with this
senator," said one Washington, D.C., banking industry
lobbyist who asked not to be identified. "[D'Amato's] got
his foot all the way down on the accelerator -- and he
doesn't stop for red lights."
"Here you have an elected official in multiple positions
of power taking money from special-interest groups that he
has regulatory authority over," Common Cause vice
president Don Simon told the Bay Guardian. "It just
invites the exchange of campaign money for special favors.
[D'Amato is] in a position to ask people for contributions
wearing a number of different hats."
Repeated calls for comment to D'Amato's Washington and
other offices were not returned.
Glass houses
Despite a 1991 rebuke from the Senate Ethics Committee,
the tough-talking D'Amato has risen to the stature of a
kingmaker -- raising more money ($22 million) than any
other U.S. senator in the last two (1986 and 1992) Senate
election campaigns.
Indeed, many national political careers have been made or
broken on the yea or nay of the 58-year-old lawyer from
Long Island.
As chair of the Senate's Whitewater Investigation
Committee, D'Amato adeptly kept the scandal alive and in
the papers, turning Hillary Rodham Clinton into an
election-year liability for her husband -- to the delight
of Bob Dole.
It is astonishing to listen to the "poster child for
rotten finance" demand full disclosure from the Clintons
as to whether they, as investors in the Whitewater real
estate deal, benefited from the questionable transactions
of a savings and loan owned by their friend and political
ally James McDougal. D'Amato has accused the Clintons of
behaving in a "disturbing pattern" of stonewalling and
deceit in the matter.
This coming from a man whose entire political career has
demonstrated a disturbing pattern of shady backroom
political deals and who has been linked to many of the
major government and corporate financial scandals of the
1980s.
As for disclosure, D'Amato himself has continually refused
to release the 900-page transcript of his testimony
relating to the Senate Ethics Committee's 1989
investigation of him on misconduct charges. The
investigation was prompted by Mark Green, who ran against
D'Amato in New York's 1986 Senate election. In 1989,
Green, New York City's public advocate (an elected
position that represents citizens' rights), filed a
lengthy complaint with the ethics committee requesting a
full investigation of D'Amato and his political
activities, which, he wrote, "reveal a pattern of
exploiting his public office for the private benefit of
his contributors and cronies." Green alleged that D'Amato
had links not only to convicted junk-bond broker Michael
Milken but to organized crime figures, to two major
Defense Department contractor scandals, and to a series of
criminal mismanagement scandals at the troubled Department
of Housing and Urban Development.
D'Amato dismissed the complaint as "sour grapes" from a
sore loser, but the charges led to an 18-month-long
investigation by the committee that culminated with an
official rebuke to D'Amato for being "negligent," in
conducting "the business of [his] office in an improper
and inappropriate manner."
After initial requests from Green and members of the press
to release his testimony transcripts, D'Amato claimed that
he didn't have access to them. In fact, any senator can
access testimony from ethics committee investigations, but
only witnesses have the right to publicly release their
testimony. Lately, when D'Amato has been asked about
disclosure of his ethics testimony, he simply changes the
subject to the Whitewater investigation. Significantly, in
July 1995 the Arkansas Democrat and Gazette quoted a
senior government official familiar with D'Amato's
testimony as saying that if released, the report could
cause a political firestorm.
It wasn't easy for the ethics committee to investigate
Green's complaint. More than two dozen of the 56
subpoenaed witnesses cited their Fifth Amendment rights
against self-incrimination and refused to testify.
At the investigation's conclusion in 1991, the committee
said it would "jeopardize ongoing criminal investigations
or put contemplated prosecutions at grave risk" if it
continued its inquiry into D'Amato's alleged misconduct.
But the committee added that "if and when additional
relevant testimony or evidence becomes available," it
would consider reopening D'Amato's case.
Relevant testimony
One of the "ongoing" criminal investigations alluded to by
the ethics committee in 1991 was what came to be known as
the HUD Alameda Towers scandal in Puerto Rico.
Back in 1984 Puerto Rican developer Cleofe Rubi was
anxious to get an inside track on HUD subsidies for
rehabilitating existing housing developments, but he
lacked the clout in Washington to do so. Court records
show that he soon formed an alliance with Eduardo Lopez
Ballori, a public-relations specialist with first-rate
connections inside the beltway, and they founded Alameda
Associates, a development corporation. Ballori was also
the cochair of the Dole for President campaign in Puerto
Rico that same year.
According to court documents and testimony from a June
1992 trial, Ballori suggested to Rubi in 1984 that they
"get in contact with Senator D'Amato" to help get HUD
subsidies, since D'Amato was a member of the Senate's
Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee at the time.
According to Rubi's testimony, Ballori told him that
money, in the form of large campaign contributions, would
help jump-start his development project. At the end of
that trial Ballori was convicted of funneling thousands of
dollars in illegal campaign contributions to D'Amato. But
after two more trials the charges against Ballori were
dismissed.
In a campaign-contribution scheme that court records show
has repeated itself many times in D'Amato's career, 27 of
Ballori's friends in Puerto Rico sent substantial monetary
contributions to D'Amato and were later reimbursed by
Ballori. According to court records and HUD documents,
between 1985 and 1987 D'Amato received more than $150,000
through Ballori.
D'Amato's lobbying at HUD on behalf of his Puerto Rican
"constituents" was so intense that officials there dubbed
him "the senator from Puerto Rico." The Alameda Towers
project and other Alameda Associates ventures eventually
received more than $60 million in HUD building subsidies.
Between 1984 and 1988 the small U.S. territory received
considerably more HUD subsidies than the senator's home
state of New York, the second most populous state in the
nation.
When the Puerto Rico HUD subsidies story broke in New York
in 1989, D'Amato told Newsday that he had "never as much
made an inquiry" at HUD on the Alameda Towers project. He
made a similar statement under oath to the Senate Ethics
Committee, Assistant U.S. Attorney Lawrence Noyer said at
Ballori's trial. Noyer prosecuted Ballori and was privy to
D'Amato's ethics testimony regarding the Puerto Rican
subsidies.
According to an April 2, 1986, letter from Ballori to
Michael Kinsella, D'Amato's key financial aide, not only
had Ballori discussed the Alameda Towers issue with
D'Amato's Office, but D'Amato had personally requested
that Ballori submit a "white paper" on his situation.
"During the senator's visit to Puerto Rico, we discussed
the situation described in the attached white paper, which
he asked me to prepare," Ballori wrote.
Kinsella's phone logs from July 8, 1986, say: "Eduardo
called. His rehab project is called Alameda."
D'Amato finally admitted that he had met with Ballori, but
never to discuss housing matters, he said. "The major
thread was GOP politics. I was supporting Dole [for
president] at the time, and Eduardo was very active in
connection with that," D'Amato told Newsday.
And "Eduardo" still is. According to 1995 Federal Election
Commission documents obtained by the Bay Guardian, Eduardo
L. Ballori, chair of Agor Associates in Hato Ray, Puerto
Rico, contributed $1,000 to Dole for President on May 10,
1995. According to the documents, four more $1,000
contributions came in on the same day, including one from
a Conchita L. Ballori, whose occupation was listed as
"housewife." Between March and June 1995, a total of 15
$1,000 contributions were made to the Dole coffers by
various contributors in Puerto Rico.
When asked about Ballori's past connections with D'Amato
and whether it was of concern for the campaign, Dole for
President deputy press secretary Christina Martin told the
Bay Guardian that she didn't "have any idea who Ballori
is" or know anything about his relationship to D'Amato.
Martin said she "would look into it."
Old-fashioned ethics
The Alameda Towers HUD deal was just a part of Mark
Green's charges against D'Amato that the Senate Ethics
Committee's aborted investigation touched on. Here are a
few more:
* In March 1992 Armand D'Amato, the senator's brother, was
indicted on 24 counts of federal mail fraud after sending
out letters to government officials in support of Unisys,
a Long Island-based military contractor that was bidding
on a number of Defense Department contracts. Ultimately,
Unisys won government contracts worth $100 million. The
letters, signed by Senator D'Amato himself, were later
found by prosecutors to have been ghostwritten by Unisys
employees.
Armand, a lawyer, had been secretly employed by Unisys in
the late 1980s. According to court records, he was paid up
to $120,000 between 1986 and 1987 for his lobbying
efforts, Newsday reported. An internal investigation
conducted by Unisys later found that during that same time
five of its executives falsified their expense accounts to
reimburse themselves for monetary contributions they had
made to Al D'Amato.
Armand D'Amato was convicted on 7 of the 24 counts of mail
fraud in May 1993. Those convictions were overturned on
appeal. Neither Unisys or Al D'Amato was ever charged with
wrongdoing. At the time, D'Amato claimed no knowledge of
the letters bearing his signature.
* The Wedtech scandal -- the secret takeover of a
minority-owned military contractor eligible for a series
of no-bid Pentagon contracts -- landed more than half a
dozen of D'Amato's associates and political allies,
including former Rep. Mario Biaggi (D-N.Y.), in jail for
bribery and racketeering. At the March 1988 federal trial,
Wedtech's former vice chair Mario Moreno testified that
the company funneled at least $30,000 in illegal
contributions to D'Amato "in exchange for favors we
expected to get."
At the trial, D'Amato said that he had no knowledge of any
illegal activities at Wedtech. No charges were ever
brought against him.
* As chair of a Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
subcommittee in 1985, D'Amato flip-flopped on a proposal
to limit S&L investors from buying risky junk bonds.
D'Amato first seemed to support the proposal and announced
hearings on it. According to the Wall Street Journal, on
May 31, 1985, during the hearings, Michael Milken and his
associates at the New York-based investment firm Drexel,
Burnham and Lambert threw D'Amato a $1,000-a-plate
political fund-raising dinner in Beverly Hills. Drexel
executives testified against the proposal the following
week. D'Amato then opposed the proposal and the committee
produced legislation that was junk-bond friendly. One week
later, Drexel executives purchased 35 tickets for a
$500-a-head fund-raiser. The loosened federal junk-bond
restrictions led, in part, to the more than $500 billion
S&L bailout that taxpayers are still footing the bill for.
Many hats
April 10, 1995, was a very good day for D'Amato's Dole for
President team. Charles Gargano, the business executive
who raised $14 million to fuel conservative George
Pataki's upset victory over New York governor Mario Cuomo
in 1994, once again delivered the goods for the
Republicans. On that day Gargano threw a lavish
$1,000-a-plate dinner for Dole at the Manhattan Sheraton.
Before the festivities had concluded, $1.5 million had
flowed into the coffers of the Dole campaign.
Gargano, national vice chair of Dole's campaign finance
committee under D'Amato, is the senator's most aggressive
fund-raiser. And like his boss, the funding whiz wears so
many hats -- including one as New York's economic
development czar -- that it's never really clear where the
money is coming from or where it's going.
What is crystal clear is that a lot of money is moving
through Gargano's channels to the Dole campaign. Gargano
himself could pose an ethics problem for Dole once the
presidential campaign rhetoric gets nasty.
As a co-owner and executive of J.D. Posillico Inc., a Long
Island-based concrete-manufacturing company, Gargano
became a defendant in a 1981 federal civil lawsuit based
on the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970. The charges
involved a Long Island sewer project that became a
billion-dollar boondoggle. According to court documents
quoting Patrick Henry, then Suffolk County's district
attorney, Posillico employees and others "conspired among
themselves to devise and ... participate in a scheme to
defraud Suffolk County, the State of New York, and the
United States of public moneys." The civil complaint
sought $118.8 million in damages from Gargano's company
alone.
Ultimately Posillico did not go to trial; the company
settled out of court for a meager $315,000. At the time
Gargano denied knowledge of any of the bribery and
political corruption associated with the scandal because,
after all, he told Newsday, he was "just a civil
engineer."
Gargano did not return repeated calls for comment.
On many occasions Alfonse D'Amato has used his powerful
influence to approach prosecutors and government officials
on behalf of known organized crime figures. And on several
occasions the same mobsters have been indicted for making
illegal campaign contributions to the senator.
In the mid- and late 1980s D'Amato made calls and personal
visits to then-U.S. Attorney Rudolf Giuliani to ask that
cases involving reputed mobsters associated with the
Genovese and Gambino crime families be "looked into,"
according to the Village Voice. But D'Amato has repeatedly
denied looking after the interests of criminals. In one
instance, D'Amato admitted that he approached Giuliani
about charges brought against Paul Castellano, the Gambino
crime-family head (who was murdered in 1985), but D'Amato
denied any unethical activity.
"I acted properly," D'Amato told Newsday in 1989 when
asked about the incident. "Rudy did nothing wrong, and I
did nothing wrong. I never suggested any course of action
on any of these matters."
In 1983 D'Amato appeared as the only character witness in
the trial of Long Island nightclub owner Philip Basile, a
longtime friend and campaign contributor. D'Amato
described him as an "honest, truthful, hardworking man; a
man of integrity." Armand D'Amato was Basile's defense
attorney. Basile was eventually convicted by a federal
court of conspiring with Lucchese-family crime captain
Paul Vario in a scheme to defraud the government.
"Everybody knows there's organized crime in there," New
York State Liquor Authority investigator Carlo Diresta
told Newsday in 1981 regarding Basile's Island Park
nightclub, Channel 80. D'Amato has celebrated some of his
key victories in the nightclub over the years -- a
nightclub at which, according to Mark Green, some 20 drug
busts took place in one year.
Many crime figures have been generous D'Amato supporters
over the years. But sometimes D'Amato has had to return
contributions because of legal technicalities, as was the
case with contributions made by Joseph Asaro, who court
papers have described as an associate of the Bonanno crime
family.
In April 1995 Asaro pleaded guilty to felony charges of
making illegal contributions to D'Amato's campaigns. As
chief lobbyist for the Cumberland Corporation, the
producers of Sweet'n Low sugar substitute, between 1984
and 1993 Asaro helped funnel more than $58,000 to D'Amato
through third-party donors who were later reimbursed.
D'Amato has been a highly effective supporter of the
moratorium on a 1977 FDA ban on cancer-causing saccharin,
a key ingredient of Sweet'n Low.
Last July, toward the start of the Whitewater hearings,
Mark Green wrote D'Amato a letter recapping the ethics
charges he made in 1989 and asking D'Amato to come clean
on his ethics file. But Whitewater seems to have made the
senator immune to any serious investigations into his
questionable history. In fact, D'Amato seems stronger than
ever.
"D'Amato is moving ahead like a steamroller," one
Republican congressional aide told the Bay Guardian, "and
all the people I talk to on the Republican side are
pleased as punch."
That would certainly be an apt description of Dole's
assessment of King Alfonse's fund-raising on his behalf.
"I told Al today [when] he was in my office," Dole told
CNN Jan. 10, "I just said, 'I'm going to tell you Al ...
I've been watching you, you've done a good job.' " Dennis
Bernstein frequently covers national news for the Bay
Guardian and is a coproducer of KPFA's Flashpoints.
SAMMY FINKELMAN
-> phoenixlike from the ashes of the numerous ethical and
-> financial scandals that have scorched his 30-year
-> political career is also extraordinary.
Not compared to Clinton's extraordinary abilities.
-> d:65973 alt.politics.usa.republican:193256
-> alt.president.clinton:73068 alt.soci ety.conservatism:37873
-> ny.politics:8822 nyc.politics:3644 talk.politics.misc:49 5170
->
-> Here are the facts on Senator Alfonse D'Amato, the man who is
-> leading the attack on Bill and Hillary Clinton for alleged
-> ethics violations, and who is also the head of the Dole for
-> President campaign and of the national effort to increase
-> Republican membership in the Senate.
->
-> Many thanks to Dennis Bernstein for doing this research,
-> and to the San Francisco Bay Guardian for publishing it,
-> and for making it available on the Web (which is where I
-> found it):
->
-> http://www.sfbayguardian.com/Politics/96_02/022196damato.html
-> Bernstein produces the superb hard-hitting current affairs show
-> Flashpoints on KPFA-FM (94.1 MHz, Berkeley, CA) 5-6pm weekdays:
-> http://www.igc.apc.org/kpfa/
-> KPFA is part of the Pacifica Network, which has about 70
-> affiliates around the country. Find one near you and check it
-> out--it's an excellent source of information that does not get
-> broadcast through the commercial corporate media:
->
-> http://www.pacifica.org/
-> ==============================================================
-> SF BAY GUARDIAN: POLITICS : KING ALFONSE
->
-> KING ALFONSE
->
-> [INLINE]
->
-> GUARDIAN ILLUSTRATION BY ZACH TRENHOLM
->
-> WHY SEN. AL D'AMATO IS A TICKING TIME BOMB FOR DOLE'S '96
-> PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
-> By Dennis Bernstein
->
-> A ROAR OF laughter rolled through the packed Washington,
-> D.C., offices of the National Republican Senate Committee
-> in December when GOP presidential hopeful Sen. Bob Dole,
-> in his tongue-in-cheek fashion, introduced his friend and
-> colleague Sen. Alfonse D'Amato to his bevy of high-powered
-> lobbyists. "Al," Dole said, is the only politician in
-> Washington who, when fund-raising, refuses "to take yes
-> for an answer."
->
-> Dole, who reportedly refers to D'Amato as "King Alfonse,"
-> is now counting on D'Amato's fund-raising savvy and
-> friends in all places to bring home the bacon for his
-> uphill 1996 presidential bid.
->
-> "Al is going to join our campaign, not just as one of my
-> colleagues," Dole said at a March 1995 press conference.
-> "He's going to join as the chairman of the national
-> steering committee. And he's going to have an even more
-> important role in the next two years."
->
-> Dole's comment was prescient. That D'Amato is now chair of
-> the powerful Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs
-> committee while spearheading the Dole for President
-> campaign, the Senate Whitewater investigation, and the
-> National Republican Senatorial Committee's quest for a
-> veto-proof majority in the Senate is nothing less than
-> extraordinary. But then, D'Amato's ability to rise
-> phoenixlike from the ashes of the numerous ethical and
-> financial scandals that have scorched his 30-year
-> political career is also extraordinary.
->
-> The Republican senator from Island Park, N.Y., is arguably
-> one of the most corrupt politicians ever to strut the
-> halls of Congress. More than any other public official in
-> Washington today, D'Amato epitomizes the old-style machine
-> politician, consistently demonstrating his disregard for
-> the public interest while routinely trading political
-> favors for huge campaign contributions.
->
-> "D'Amato could be the poster child for the rotten
-> campaign-finance system on Capitol hill," said Ann
-> McBride, president of the national consumer-rights
-> organization Common Cause, by phone from Washington.
->
-> " 'Yes' is definitely only the beginning with this
-> senator," said one Washington, D.C., banking industry
-> lobbyist who asked not to be identified. "[D'Amato's] got
-> his foot all the way down on the accelerator -- and he
-> doesn't stop for red lights."
->
-> "Here you have an elected official in multiple positions
-> of power taking money from special-interest groups that he
-> has regulatory authority over," Common Cause vice
-> of Housing and Urban Development.-> criminal mismanagement scand
Paul H. Henry
[...]
> He might have added acceptance of a bribe. Starr's latest indictment
> includes an interesting scenario at the Arkansas Governor's Mansion in
> 1990, where Herby Branscum is calling on Gov. Clinton with $7,000.00 in
> cash illegally removed from Herby's Bank of Perry County:
> Herby: Bill, I had to bust my ass to get this cash together for you, and
> if the feds ever find out how I did it my ass is under the jailhouse.
> Now, like I said before, this little bit added to all the rest gets me to
> the big time, goddammit! The Highway Commission.
> Slick: Look, Herby, I told you the last appointment had to go where it
> went 'cause of Hilla the Hun - you ever faced a pit bull with a corncob
> soaked in kerosene stuck up its ass?
> Herby: I know what you mean - I stay the hell away from her. But back to
> the subject at hand - or in this satchel, to be precise. Do I get the
> appointment or not?
> Slick: I told you if we slicked 'em again, you got it. I "promised" the
> yokels I wouldn't run for president if they'd vote me in one more time,
> and Jesus Christ! they believed me. I don't need this godforsaken pissant
> state to get to the Big House, so I don't really give a shit what they
> think about my appointing someone like you to the Commission - you're in,
> next vacancy.
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the actual words spoken by real-life people.
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Wayne Mann
> The San Francisco Bay Guardian this week has an excellent piece on King
>Alphonse's financial shenanigans. Definitely changes the picture. Too
>bad Chertoff and/or Guilianani never went after him. The web adress is:
> http://www.sfbayguardian.com/Politics/96_02/022196damato.html
>Maybe somebody can post it here, too.
A
ALl it is is a few Left WIng Liberals quoting each other as if that
makes what the wish into facts. It's just a smear piece.
DOn't you know it is VERY rude to crosspost or spam like this?
\\/ayne //\ann
"The President has kept all of the promises he
intended to keep."
- George Stephanopolous on "Larry King Live"
- 2/16/96
TimoW1
<<< WHO believes the SF Bay Guardian? A few fringies, I suppose ..
but is it real news?>>>
WHAT the hell is the San Francisco Bay Guardian???
Tim Watson
Mark Komarinski
: > There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay or otherwise, implicating
: Bill > Clinton or any member in his administration in Whitewater.
: Webster Hubble, former #3 at Justice, former partner at Rose Law Firm,
: pled guilty, is now serving jail term.
Wasn't that for unrelated crimes?
--
- Mark Komarinski - koma...@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
"You can do anything you want until someone complains. Then you're screwed."
-Heard in reference to the FCC.
Tim Eades
==========David Porter, 2/23/96==========
Dave Brickner (dave...@brutus.bright.net) wrote:
: I'll agree that De Amoto is not a savory character in his own right, but
that
: does not detract in the least bit from the "continuing criminal enterprise"
: which is called the Clinton administration........
Get your facts straight. There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay
or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his administration
in Whitewater. Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and she's
not a member of the administration, just the wife of the president. This
is beside the fact that there still remains no evidence of wrongdoing on
her part.
OTOH, anyone who remembers D'Amato's candidly corrupt days as a local
Helpstead politico knows what this lowlife is capable of to promote
himself.
Did you forget Webster Hubbel. He was given up by the Rose Firm because of
Whitewater. What difference does it make if there is any evidence of
wrongdoing or not in Whitewater. There is plenty of evidence that they have
all lied and tried to keep documents hidden. This is called obstuction of
justice the samething that ran Nixon out.
Forbes 96 - Flat Tax and no deductions will move the country
in the right direction.
Tim Eades
==========Dan Thornsberry, 2/24/96==========
>In article <Dn9ry...@magpie.com>, dpo...@magpie.com (David Porter) wrote:
>> OTOH, anyone who remembers D'Amato's candidly corrupt days as a local
>> Helpstead politico knows what this lowlife is capable of to promote
>> himself.
>The age-old misdirection argument of "the pot calling the kettle black"
>doesn't make the kettle *white*. You can start an investigation on
>D'Amato next year. In the meantime, please explain all of the
^^^^^^^^^^
When the right wing extremists have lost control of the house
and the senate.
>"inadvertent staff oversights" resulting in documents under subpoena
>finally dribbling out. Please explain how Mrs Clinton's billing records
>suddenly appeared in the WH private residence. This isn't partisan
>politics or a self-promotion job by D'Amato. The more we learn, the more
>unanswered questions there are. And it keeps looking worse for the WH.
What a moron. She hid them for two years, no one ever
expected to see them reappear, then she changed her mind
and decided to release the records. Stupid stupid stupid
republicans are really grasping at straws. You can visit
Senator D'Amafia in prison long before the little bastard
finds anything in whitewater.
You make no since.
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Barnard N. Madsen
KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:
> Barnard N. Madsen (bma...@ids2.idsonline.com) wrote:
>
> : The age-old misdirection argument of "the pot calling the kettle black"
> : doesn't make the kettle *white*. You can start an investigation on
> : D'Amato next year. In the meantime, please explain all of the
> : "inadvertent staff oversights" resulting in documents under subpoena
> : finally dribbling out. Please explain how Mrs Clinton's billing records
> : suddenly appeared in the WH private residence. This isn't partisan
> : politics or a self-promotion job by D'Amato. The more we learn, the more
> : unanswered questions there are. And it keeps looking worse for the WH.
>
> Please explain why Starr and his chamber are not being questioned. They
> had access to the WH private residence to search for documents.
>
> Could they have planted them?
>
> --
> Buddy K
No one, to my knowledge, has questioned the authenticity of the copies of
the billing records "discovered" in the WH reading room. Before you
launch on a conspiracy theory about the independent counsel "setting up"
the First Family, please first explain what motive he would have in
planting documents in the WH private residence. Before that, please
explain where the independent counsel (or anyone else) would have gotten
them in the first place.
Web Hubbell testified before the Senate Whitewater Committee that he gave
copies of Rose Law Firm's Madison billing records to Vince Foster. There
is also testimony that Maggie Williams, HRC's chief of staff, took files
from Foster's office the night he died. There is further testimony that
these files ended up in a closet in the First Family's bedroom. Hmmm.
Where did the billing records found in the private residence come from?
Barnard N. Madsen
koma...@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark Komarinski) wrote:
> Barnard N. Madsen (bma...@ids2.idsonline.com) wrote:
> : In article <Dn9ry...@magpie.com>, dpo...@magpie.com (David Porter) wrote:
>
> : > There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay or otherwise, implicating
> : Bill > Clinton or any member in his administration in Whitewater.
>
> : Webster Hubble, former #3 at Justice, former partner at Rose Law Firm,
> : pled guilty, is now serving jail term.
>
> Wasn't that for unrelated crimes?
>
> --
> - Mark Komarinski - koma...@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
Billing fraud on Rose Law firm partners and clients, and tax evasion (if I
recall). I should have qualified that Hubbell's crimes were
Whitewater-related: they came to light as a result of the Whitewater
investigation. His other (so-far) known connections are (1) with the
Madison billing records he testified he took from Rose without permission
from the firm and then passed off to Vince Foster, and (2) his family
relationship with Seth Ward, listed on the Rose Law Firm billing records
as having 14 conferences with HRC related to the "sham" Castle Grande
transactions (which contradicts the sworn statements of both Mr Ward and
Mrs Clinton).
As I noted more briefly in another posting, now-public evidence so far
suggests: conspiracy to commit bank fraud and bank fraud (Hale's
preferential SBA loan to Mrs McDougal at WJC's insistence), obstruction of
justice (destruction, delay in producing subpoenaed documents),
witness-tampering (WH Whitewater group's plans to get to Shaffer so her
story would be "OK"), lying to investigators (WJC and HRC sworn statements
to federal investigators about her "minimal" role in representing
Madison), perjury (HRC and Seth Ward giving sworn statements/testimony
that they never met to discuss Madison/Whitewater business -- billing
records show HRC billed Madison for 14 meetings), fraud (if HRC didn't
meet with Ward, then she scammed Madison by billing the S&L for 14
"meetings"). How many more molecules to you need?
So far, the Clintons' business partners in Whitewater (the McDougals) have
been indicted for Whitewater-related crimes; WJC's successor, Gov Jim Guy
Tucker, has likewise been indicted. I'm certain the WH has a keen
interest in the outcome of those three prosecutions. Prudent prosecution
strategy would be to get convictions in those cases first, and then
discuss sentencing deals with the defendants for information implicating
others (i.e., WJC, HRC). No rush for prosecution to go public yet with
all the information they have implicating the First Couple. Stay tuned.
DAWOLF1
>
>Get your facts straight. There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay
>or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his
administration
>in Whitewater. Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and she's
>not a member of the administration, just the wife of the president. This
>is beside the fact that there still remains no evidence of wrongdoing on
>her part.
>
>OTOH, anyone who remembers D'Amato's candidly corrupt days as a local
>Helpstead politico knows what this lowlife is capable of to promote
>himself.
You must have been under the same rock that Slimy Willie came out from
under. To say there is no evidence when Hubell is in prison and Tucker is
indicted and others are also. When the corruption in the Whitewater
dealings are beyond belief, you say no evidence. Crawl back under your
rock, the light of justice will blind you.
donw
SMILIN F
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TimoW1
Get your facts straight. There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay
or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his administration
in Whitewater. Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and she's
not a member of the administration, just the wife of the president. This
is beside the fact that there still remains no evidence of wrongdoing on
her part.
OTOH, anyone who remembers D'Amato's candidly corrupt days as a local
Helpstead politico knows what this lowlife is capable of to promote
himself.
Did you forget Webster Hubbel. He was given up by the Rose Firm because
of
Whitewater. What difference does it make if there is any evidence of
wrongdoing or not in Whitewater. There is plenty of evidence that they
have
all lied and tried to keep documents hidden. This is called obstuction of
justice the samething that ran Nixon out. >>>>
It's hard to connect these paragraphs and come out with any consistency,
but whoever it was who said "There is not one molecule of evidence,
hearsay or otherwise, connecting Bill Clinton and any member of his
administration in Whitewater" is a fucking idiot. No one on these boards
will respond to such inanities with anything other than disgust or
embarassment. You may not believe the mountain of evidence (i.e., many
molecules), but it's there for all to see. You may not care about the
mountain of evidence (the "he may be a crook, but he's my crook"
defense). But to pretend that it's not there is to subject yourself to
utter humiliation.
Tim Watson
TimoW1
Since when?
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Dan Thornsberry
>smi...@aol.com (SMILIN F) wrote:
> The San Francisco Bay Guardian this week has an excellent piece on King
>>Alphonse's financial shenanigans. Definitely changes the picture. Too
>>bad Chertoff and/or Guilianani never went after him. The web adress is:
>> http://www.sfbayguardian.com/Politics/96_02/022196damato.html
>All it is is a few Left WIng Liberals quoting each other as if that
>makes what the wish into facts. It's just a smear piece.
>\\/ayne //\ann
>
Gosh, nothing at all like the right wing smear tactics
on the Clintons.
You two faced little bastards are a joke.
John Q. Public
Garry N. Ray
heaven:
=>Get your facts straight. There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay
=>or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his administration
=>in Whitewater. Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and she's
Lessee....
Web's in the crowbar motel.
Altman "resigned" in disgrace.
Tucker is now plea bargaining with Starr.
Lindsey went underground.
Nussbaum "resigned".
Thomasses is outre.
Gearan was "transferred."
Hillary was subpoenaed by grand jury.
Vince is dead.
"Evidence" is determined by the court, not by ABC News or the NY Times
or the Washington Post. On the other hand, obvious conflicts in sworn
testimony are on the record, for all to see and hear, somewhat
transcending the notion of "evidence". But we'll give you the benefit
of the doubt and agree that - technically - there is as yet no
"evidence," as the trials have not yet begun.
Nonetheless, you might want to tape the following to your refrigerator
door for imminent review. Note that Web, while previously sentenced
for the "unauthorized taking" of client and firm funds, may have
plea-bargained his way out of the obstruction issues. Yet 18 USC 1001,
1502, 1503, 1505, and 1512 *do* call for some additions to this list
(Hillary, Thomasses, Williams, Ickes, et al.).
But you can't have everything, now can you.
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BILL CLINTON
Alleged Misconduct: While president, discussed possible federal
jobs for Arkansas state troopers who had knowledge about potentially
politically damaging stories of Clinton's marital infidelity and
abuse of Arkansas Governor's office.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 201, which makes it a crime to
offer or promise "directly or indirectly"
anything of value to someone with the aim of
influencing that person's testimony under
oath.
Penalty: Up to 15 years in prison, a fine, and
disqualification from any federal office of
honor, trust, or profit.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1622, prohibiting subornation of
perjury.
Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison, $2,000 fine.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: While president, approved actions by White
House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum designed to circumscribe offical
federal investigations into White House aide Vincent Foster's death,
and directed that documents found in Foster's office be removed from
the White House and handed over to a private lawyer retained by the
Clintons.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 372, which prohibits conspiring to
prevent any person - here, the FBI and Park
Service investigator - from discharging the
duties of federal office.
Penalty: Up to 6 years in prison, $5,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1001, which makes it a crime to
conceal material facts in connection with
matters within the jurisdiction of a United
States agency.
Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1503 and 1505, which prohibit
obstruction of justice and obstruction of
Justice Department or Congressional
inquiries.
Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: While president, had Vincent Foster perform
personel legal work at taxpayer expense.
Statutes Implicated: Any of a number of statutes governing
employees of the White House and misuse of
appropriations, but in particular 31 U.S.C.
1519, prohibiting the creation of financial
obligations unauthorized by appropriations.
Penalty: Up to 2 years in prison. $5,000 fine.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: While governor, used state troopers for
personal errands, to facilitate extramarital affairs, and to
investigate campaign opponents.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 666, which prohibits any state
government employee from stealing or
converting state property valued at over
$5,000. (Theft of employee time has been
held to be a theft prohibited under Section
666.)
Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison and a fine of twice
the amount of the pecuniary gain.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: While governor, named John Latham, chief
executive officer for Madison Guaranty, to a seat on the state S&L
regulatory board. Also named Beverly Bassett, who had previously
served as lawyer for Madison, commissioner of the Arkansas
Securities Commission. Bassett would later give Madison regulatory
approval on several of it requests. McDougal would later host a
fundraiser that would allegedly funnel Madison funds to Clinton.
Statutes Implicated: Section 5-52-101 of the Arkansas Criminal
Code, which makes it a crime to trade in
public offices.
Penalty: Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: Section 5-52-103 of the Arkansas Criminal
Code, which makes it a crime for a public
servant to solicit a bribe.
Penalty: Up to 6 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: While governor, extracted an illegal Small
Business Administration loan from David Hale's investment company
which went to James McDougal's wife. The McDougals were partners
with the Clintons in Whitewater Development Co. Mrs. McDougal
thereafter gave a portion of her loan to Whitewater Development Co.
The loan was never repaid.
Statutes Implicated: 15 U.S.C. 645, which prohibits making false
statements for the purpose of obtaining any
loan from the Small Business Administration.
Penalty: Up to 2 years in prison, $5,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 371, making it a crime to conspire
to defraud the federal government.
Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1006, which makes it a crime to
share "directly or indirectly" in any
payment made in violation of federal laws
governing small business investment
companies.
Penalty: Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1344, criminalizing frauds on
financial institutions.
Penalty: Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: Section 5-42-204 of the Arkansas Criminal
Code, which makes it a crime to launder the
proceeds of criminal activity.
Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: While Arkansas attorney general, shortly before
becoming governor, received a 50-percent interest in Whitewater from
the McDougals in return for an apparently nominal investment.
Statutes Implicated: Section 5-52-103 of the Arkansas Criminal
Code, which makes it a crime for a public
servant to accept a bribe.
Penalty: Up to 6 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: While governor, pressured McDougal to retain
Hillary Clinton to represent his S&L in order to help the Clintons
financially.
Statutes Implicated: Section 5-52-103 of the Arkansas Criminal
Code, which makes it a crime for a public
servant to accept a bribe.
Penalty: Up to 6 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: While governor, advised Gennifer Flowers, in
taped conversation, to state falsely that they had never talked
about her obtaining a state job. ("If they ever ask you if you've
talked to me about it, you can say no.")
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1512, criminalizing attempts to
influence testimony.
Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison, $250,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: Section 5-53-110 of the Arkansas Criminal
Code, which prohibits tampering with
witnesses.
Penalty: Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: While governor, participated in the destruction
of Whitewater files. The McDougals, partners with the Clintons in
Whitewater, have stated that they delivered Whitewater's records to
the Arkansas Governor's mansion at the request of Mrs. Clinton.
Both Clintons deny receiving tyhe documents, some of which are
missing.
Statutes Implicated: 26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to
destroy any record relating to the
"financial condition of the taxpayer."
Penalty: Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: Section 5-37-202 of the Arkansas Criminal
Code, which prohibits the destruction of
business records with the intent to defraud.
Penalty: Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: While governor, benefitted from numerous errors
in tax filings having to do with illegal deductions, treatment of
capital gains, unreported income, etc.
Statutes Implicated: 26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to
file a tax return that the filers do not
believe to be true and correct as to every
material matter.
Penalty: Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: While president, engaged in cover-up activities
with respect to all of the above, involving, among other things, the
making of false statements about his role in and knowledge of the
various scandals, and conspiring with other to have them make
similar false statements.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 372, which prohibits conspiring to
prevent any person (such as Justice
Department investigators) from discharging
the duties of federal office.
Penalty: Up to 6 years in prison, $5,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1001, prohibiting concealment and
false or misleading statements in connection
with any matter within the jurisdiction of
the Justice Department.
===============================
Bill Clinton's total potential criminal liability: disqualification
from federal office, 178 years in prison, more than $2.5 million in
fines.
===============================
===============================
HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON
Alleged Misconduct: In 1985, as counsel for Madison, submitted
audit to state regulators to demonstrate that Madison was solvent;
four years later, after Madison's collapse, her law partner, Webster
Hubbell, attacked the bona fides of the audit in litigation in which
he represented the FDIC, calling into question what Mrs. Clinton
knew and when she knew it.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1014, prohibiting false statements
designed to influence "in any way" the
actions of federal financial regulators.
Penalty: Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: Section 23-34-108 of the Arkansas Code,
which prohibits intentionally false
statements regarding banks.
Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison.
Statutes Implicated: Section 5-37-202 of the Arkansas Criminal
Code, prohibiting the fraudulent creation of
false business records.
Penalty: Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: Participated with her husband in the
destruction of Whitewater files.
Statutes Implicated: 26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to
destroy any record relating to the
"financial condition of the taxpayer."
Penalty: Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: Benefitted with her husband from numerous
errors in tax filings.
Statutes Implicated: 26 U.S.C. 7206, which makes it a crime to
file a tax return that the filers do not
believe to be true and correct as to every
material matter.
Penalty: Up to 3 years in prison, $100,000 fine.
===============================
Hillary's total potential criminal liability: 47 years in prison,
more than $1.2 million in fines.
===============================
===============================
BERNARD NUSSBAUM, WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL
Alleged Misconduct: With Clinton political aides, circumscribed FBI
and Park Police investigations into Vincent Foster's suicide, and
gave Foster files to Bill Clinton's personal lawyer.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 372, which prohibits conspiring to
prevent any person from discharging the
duties of federal office.
Penalty: Up to 6 years in prison, $5,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1001, which makes it a crime to
conceal material facts in connection with
any matter within the jurisdiction of a
United States agency.
Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1503 and 1505, which prohibit
obstruction of justice and obstruction of
Justice Department or Congressional
inquiries.
Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
===============================
Bernard Nussbaum's total potential criminal liability: 21 years in
prison, $25,000 in fines.
===============================
===============================
WEBSTER HUBBELL, ASSOCIATE ATTORNEY GENERAL
Alleged Misconduct: As partner of Hillary Clinton inthe Rose Law
Firm, represented the FDIC in suit against Madison, without
bothering to disclose to the FDIC that Mr. Hubbell's firm had
previously represented Madison, or that Mrs. Clinton was a partner
of McDougal.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 208, which prohibits special
government employees from acting in matters
in which they or their partners have a
financial interest.
Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison and a fine.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1001, which makes it a crime to
conceal material facts in connection with
matter within the jurisdiction of a United
States agency.
Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison, $10,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1007, which prohibits influencing
"in any way" the actions of the FDIC by
means of false statements.
Penalty: Up to 30 years in prison, $1,000,000 fine.
===============================
Webster Hubbell's total potential criminal liability: 40 years in
prison, more than $1 million in fines.
===============================
===============================
BETSEY WRIGHT, FORMER CLINTON AIDE, CURRENT ASSOCIATE
Alleged Misconduct: Visited Arkansas state trooper Danny Ferguson
in an effort to get him to change his story that Bill Clinton
offered troopers federal jobs to discourage them from speaking about
his actions.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1512, criminalizing attempts to
influence testimony.
Penalty: Up to 10 years in prison, $250,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: 18 U.S.C. 1622, prohibiting subornation of
perjury.
Penalty: Up to 5 years in prison, $2,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: Section 5-53-110 of the Arkansas Criminal
Code, which prohibits tampering with
witnesses.
===============================
Alleged Misconduct: Falied to file election contribution reports
identifying individual contributors to Clinton's 1984 gubernatorial
campaign, thus hiding identity of possibly phantom contributors
through whom McDougal funneled Madison funds to Clinton prior to
Madison's collapse.
Statutes Implicated: Section 7-6-205 of the Arkansas Criminal
Code, which prohibits use of false names to
make political contributions.
Penalty: Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.
Statutes Implicated: Section 7-6-207 of the Arkansas Criminal
Code, requiring the filing of lists of
political contributors.
Penalty: Up to 1 year in prison, $1,000 fine.
===============================
Betsey Wright's total potential criminal liability: 18 years in
prison, more than $250,000 in fines.
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Mark S. Bilk
It's an excellent weekly newspaper that often practices
investigative journalism instead of just regurgitating
press releases in time for a deadline, as so many others do.
They've been publishing since 1966.
Check out their Web site at: http://www.sfbayguardian.com/
The Guardian is not any sort of Democratic Party mouthpiece,
as evidenced by another article they published, and which is
currently on the Web there, "WILLIE AND THE SLEAZE FACTOR",
about the newly-elected mayor of San Francisco, and long-
time Democratic power politician, Willie Brown.
Mark S. Bilk
>smi...@aol.com (SMILIN F) wrote:
>
>> The San Francisco Bay Guardian this week has an excellent piece on King
>>Alphonse's financial shenanigans. Definitely changes the picture. Too
>>bad Chertoff and/or Guilianani never went after him. The web adress is:
>> http://www.sfbayguardian.com/Politics/96_02/022196damato.html
>ALl it is is a few Left WIng Liberals quoting each other as if that
>makes what the wish into facts. It's just a smear piece.
It is no such thing. Folks, read for yourself what Wayne doesn't
want you to see, at the above Web address, or just go to
http://www.sfbayguardian.com/ and click on "King Alfonse".
> DOn't you know it is VERY rude to crosspost or spam like this?
>\\/ayne //\ann
Um... you mean like *you* just did, Wayne, when you posted your
article to the same newsgroups?
Actually, the information about Alfonse D'Amato is quite relevant
to all of these newsgroups.
Of course Wayne *is* an expert on spam. He posts followups
containing nothing but the full text of the parent article, with
the newsgroups changed in order to keep information that he
doesn't want people to see out of alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater.
And he also does things like this:
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=Hi,
=
=I'm having trouble with this jerk sending me unsolicited email messages
=(excerpt follows). He was cut off for doing this by a previous ISP; his
=response to requests to stop sending the messages is to send twice as
=many. His new ISP, netcom, has not responded in any way to three
=successive requests to do something about the problem. Suggestions?
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I sent a copy of Shinbrot's article to ab...@netcom.com, which
is the best address to direct such reports to. Hopefully,
Wayne has heard from them by now. If he's still harassing
people, they should send complaints there.
A T Furman
>Tim Eades says, cryptically, <<<You make no since.>>>
Perhaps it is a typo and he meant to say that you failed to separate
out your male cannabis plants in time ("You make no sinse").
David Porter
: > or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his administration
: > in Whitewater. Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and she's
: > not a member of the administration, just the wife of the president. This
: > is beside the fact that there still remains no evidence of wrongdoing on
: > her part.
: Try conspiracy to commit bank fraud, bank fraud, obstruction of justice,
: check kiting, lying to investigators, perjury -- just for starters.
Do you have a reading dysfunction or are you just stupid? Let's try it
again: there is not once molecule of evidence implicating either Bill
Clinton or any member of his administration in Whitewater. Period. This,
despite three years of unrelenting, politically-motivated character
assassination by the slimeball wing of the Republican Party who don't
give a shit how many millions of our tax dollars they waste promoting their
covert agenda. If there was such evidence, do you really believe D'Amato
wouldn't have sought indictments by now?
Michael R. McCullough
In article <4gtugo$4...@news.computek.net>, tbe...@computek.net (Dan
Gary Cruse
>
>
>>ALl it is is a few Left WIng Liberals quoting each other as if that
>>makes what the wish into facts. It's just a smear piece.
>
>It is no such thing. Folks, read for yourself what Wayne doesn't
>want you to see, at the above Web address, or just go to
>http://www.sfbayguardian.com/ and click on "King Alfonse".
>
I read it. It is as Wayne says. A bunch
of leftists quoting each other. The thrust
of the article has already been dealt with
on the WW ng. That is, there is no one
ethically pure enough to call the Clintons
to account. So let's drop the investigation.
Was the Guardian equally harsh on Rostenkowski?
He was the epitome of the machine politician but
I would be surprised to see the Guardian go after
him. "Political ideology" as RBO would say.
Gary
Maverick
> In article <Dn9ry...@magpie.com>, dpo...@magpie.com (David Porter) wrote:
> > There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay or otherwise, implicating
> Bill > Clinton or any member in his administration in Whitewater.
1. There is at the minimum Hearsay linking Bill Clinton. Try listening
to the Clinton Chronicles. The accuse him of everything a hair shy of
conspiracy to commit murder.
2. The people mentioned in the Clinton Chronicles are all going to jail
now one by one. Clinton's name is moving up to the short list now.
William R. Discipio Jr
: Gosh, nothing at all like the right wing smear tactics
: on the Clintons.
: You two faced little bastards are a joke.
Dan, you are so ironic.
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: The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty;
: but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong,
: means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the
: weak. -Will Durant
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Wayne Mann
Would the people that are crossposting to alt.current-
events.clinton.whitewater, PLEASE stop. You are flooding out
newsgroup with many things that are not of interest to our
newsgroup. PLEASE trim headers if you are responding to a post
when someone has not had the courtesy to NOT crosspost.
Please help us. Thank you.
William R. Discipio Jr
: Have I been spelling it wrong?
: I thought it was Alfonse D'Amafia.
Well what do you know?! I knew I'd find that Mr. Thornsberry is a racist
too.
Thanks Mr. Reactionary.
Wayne Mann
>Lessee....
Wayne Mann
Barnard N. Madsen
> What a moron. She hid them for two years, no one ever
> expected to see them reappear, then she changed her mind
> and decided to release the records. Stupid stupid stupid
> republicans are really grasping at straws. You can visit
> Senator D'Amafia in prison long before the little bastard
> finds anything in whitewater.
>
>
> You make no since.
Truly yours is a dazzling intellect.
Following your logic, HRC is guilty of obstruction of justice (failure to
turn over subpoenaed documents). Who, then, is grasping at straws?
Wayne Mann
>Thanks Mr. Reactionary.
Would the people that are crossposting to alt.current-
Pat Kelso
>In article <bmadsen-2402...@ip127.idsonline.com>,
>bma...@ids2.idsonline.com says...
>
>>> Helpstead politico knows what this lowlife is capable of to promote
>>> himself.
>
>>doesn't make the kettle *white*. You can start an investigation on
>>D'Amato next year. In the meantime, please explain all of the
>When the right wing extremists have lost control of the house
>and the senate.
>
>
>>finally dribbling out. Please explain how Mrs Clinton's billing records
>>suddenly appeared in the WH private residence. This isn't partisan
>>politics or a self-promotion job by D'Amato. The more we learn, the more
>>unanswered questions there are. And it keeps looking worse for the WH.
>
>expected to see them reappear, then she changed her mind
>and decided to release the records. Stupid stupid stupid
>republicans are really grasping at straws. You can visit
>Senator D'Amafia in prison long before the little bastard
>finds anything in whitewater.
>
>============================================================
>| | The GOP sez you MUST have |
>| Dan Thornsberry | that child. |
>|tbe...@computek.net | |
>| | So they can starve it! |
>============================================================
>The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty;
>but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong,
>means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the
>weak. -Will Durant
>
>
>
>
>
suffocate in his car at the bottom of Chappaquiddick sound? If so you are
right, he should be in prison.
>
Wayne Mann
Would the people that are crossposting to alt.current-
events.clinton.whitewater, PLEASE stop. You are flooding out
newsgroup with many things that are not of interest to our
newsgroup. PLEASE trim headers if you are responding to a post
when someone has not had the courtesy to NOT crosspost.
Please help us. Thank you.
>Dan Thornsberry wrote:
>> What a moron. She hid them for two years, no one ever
>> expected to see them reappear, then she changed her mind
>> and decided to release the records. Stupid stupid stupid
>> republicans are really grasping at straws. You can visit
>> Senator D'Amafia in prison long before the little bastard
>> finds anything in whitewater.
>>
>>
>> You make no since.
>Truly yours is a dazzling intellect.
>Following your logic, HRC is guilty of obstruction of justice (failure to
>turn over subpoenaed documents). Who, then, is grasping at straws?
\\/ayne //\ann
Herb Garber
>Dave Brickner (dave...@brutus.bright.net) wrote:
>: I'll agree that De Amoto is not a savory character in his own right, but that
>: does not detract in the least bit from the "continuing criminal enterprise"
>: which is called the Clinton administration........
>Get your facts straight. There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay
>or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his administration
>in Whitewater. Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and she's
>not a member of the administration, just the wife of the president. This
>is beside the fact that there still remains no evidence of wrongdoing on
>her part.
Let's remember that Hillary has made several self-admitted mistakes
trying to "help" Bill run the Presidency. Although she never admitted
to having folks fired from the Travel Office, she admits she did make
a few comments that were interpreted as suggestions by staff members.
If Bill's staff regards Hilary's comments as orders, whose
responsibility is it? Also, let's remember Bill's assertion during the
1992 campaign that "You'll be getting two for the price of one". What
are the American people supposed to think? Doesn't that suggest that
the First Lady would perform more than just figurehead duties? Look at
the record. Look at what she's been doing since Bill took office. That
evidence will speak for itself.
>OTOH, anyone who remembers D'Amato's candidly corrupt days as a local
>Helpstead politico knows what this lowlife is capable of to promote
>himself.
Let Al D's constituency decide if he represents their best interests
or not. That's what the ballot box is for. The rest of us can only
elect our own representation, and let them know how we wish them to
vote. Unless you're from New York, mind your own business.
Herb Garber
Brian Thomas
>Do you have a reading dysfunction or are you just stupid? Let's try it
>again: there is not once molecule of evidence implicating either Bill
>Clinton or any member of his administration in Whitewater.
You're right. There is not a molecule. There are VOLUMES of evidence
implicating them. And if the Democrats ever stop stalling, impeding,
obstructing and interfering, that evidence may actually progress to the point
of a trial, which may lead to proof.
> This,
>despite three years of unrelenting, politically-motivated character
>assassination by the slimeball wing of the Republican Party
Close. This, despite the politically motivated interference by the likes of
Sarbanes and Dodd.
> If there was such evidence, do you really believe D'Amato
>wouldn't have sought indictments by now?
Perhaps you haven't been paying attention. I'm not surprised. But D'Amato is
seeking indictments for several, with more to come.
BT
see also: http://users.aol.com/beachbt/index.html
or http://www.en.com/users/bthomas/index.html
for the latest Clinton Scandal info.
Jeffrey S Linder
>Do you have a reading dysfunction or are you just stupid? Let's try it
>again: there is not once molecule of evidence implicating either Bill
>despite three years of unrelenting, politically-motivated character
>give a shit how many millions of our tax dollars they waste promoting their
>wouldn't have sought indictments by now?
D'Amato's committee cannot seek indictments, stupid.
JSL
Maverick
On Fri, 1 Mar 1996, Herb Garber wrote:
> dpo...@magpie.com (David Porter) wrote:
> >Dave Brickner (dave...@brutus.bright.net) wrote:
> >Get your facts straight. There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay
> >or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his administration
> >in Whitewater. Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and she's
> >not a member of the administration, just the wife of the president. This
I guess the health care tsar/csar/kaiser/caesar doesn't count does it?
Let us not forget how she magically turned $1000 into $100000 in one
day. Something that is immpossible to do.
> >is beside the fact that there still remains no evidence of wrongdoing on
> >her part.
ooops. Looks like I posted one sentence early. hahahaha. hillary
belong in prison.
> to having folks fired from the Travel Office, she admits she did make
> a few comments that were interpreted as suggestions by staff members.
hmmm.....like a staffer is gonna ignore a "suggestion" from the
President or his wife. A suggestion is law. Would you risk your job by
ignoring the bitch?
Dan Thornsberry
>Pat sez: Refresh my memory. Is it D'Amato who deserted his date to
>suffocate in his car at the bottom of Chappaquiddick sound? If so you are
>right, he should be in prison.
>
Too bad he didn't shoot her, then the republikkkans would
be rushing to support him, after all the NEW GOP likes to make
heros out of gunloon criminals.
--
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| | The GOP wants more guns |
| Dan Thornsberry | |
|tbe...@computek.net | and less education!!! |
William R. Discipio Jr
: Too bad he didn't shoot her, then the republikkkans would
: be rushing to support him, after all the NEW GOP likes to make
: heros out of gunloon criminals.
Dan Thornsberry; just another hateful bigot.
: --
: ============================================================
: | | The GOP wants more guns |
: | Dan Thornsberry | |
: |tbe...@computek.net | and less education!!! |
: | | |
: ============================================================
Kurt Nicklas
>From: tbe...@computek.net (Dan Thornsberry)
>Subject: Re: THE CORRUPT CAREER OF ALFONSE D'AMATO
>Date: 1 Mar 1996 02:17:35 GMT
>In article <4h569f$k...@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu>, ke...@engr.latech.edu says...
>>Pat sez: Refresh my memory. Is it D'Amato who deserted his date to
>>suffocate in his car at the bottom of Chappaquiddick sound? If so you are
>>right, he should be in prison.
>>
>Too bad he didn't shoot her, then the republikkkans would
>be rushing to support him, after all the NEW GOP likes to make
>heros out of gunloon criminals.
|
>|tbe...@computek.net | and less education!!! |
Keep coming up with howlers like this, Dan. Make sure that all the lurkers out
there know just what is rattling around in the skulls of the Wacko Left.
--> Kurt Nicklas (tibe...@rbdc.rbdc.com)
--> *************************************
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-->--------------------------------------
--> 'The President has kept all of the
--> promises he intended to keep.'
--> George Stephanopolous, 2/16/96
Wayne Mann
Thornsberry has been asked by many people many times to please NOT
crosspost every post to 15 or more newsgroups since MOST of them are
NOT interested in whatever he is posting and the newsgroup is for an
entirely different subject, yet he thinks it is funny and is being a
smart ass by continuing to do it and just laughs at people and calls
them all kinds of names because he enjoys it. He KNOWS it is RUDE and
not supposed to be done on USENET but he doesn't care about anyone but
himself.
Please help us try to stop crossposting and if you see something that
is crossposted either not respond or if you do, please trim the
headers down to the ONE you are posting from. Thank you
>In article <4h569f$k...@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu>, ke...@engr.latech.edu says...
>>Pat sez: Refresh my memory. Is it D'Amato who deserted his date to
>>suffocate in his car at the bottom of Chappaquiddick sound? If so you are
>>right, he should be in prison.
>>
>Too bad he didn't shoot her, then the republikkkans would
>be rushing to support him, after all the NEW GOP likes to make
>heros out of gunloon criminals.
>--
>============================================================
>| | The GOP wants more guns |
>| Dan Thornsberry | |
>|tbe...@computek.net |
and less education!!! |
>| | |
>============================================================
>The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty;
>but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong,
>means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the
>weak. -Will Durant
\\/ayne //\ann
"The President has kept all of the promises he
intended to keep."
ba...@ix.netcom.com
not the problem, it is the media cover for the real sellout that is
going on in DC. Clinton has given away the government to the highest
bidders and the biggest blackmailers. D'Amato is another symptom; if
you follow his corrupt logic in any of his dealings, you see this.
In <4h7chp$j...@news.chesco.com> hga...@chesco.com (Herb Garber)
writes:
>
>dpo...@magpie.com (David Porter) wrote:
>
>>Dave Brickner (dave...@brutus.bright.net) wrote:
>
>>: I'll agree that De Amoto is not a savory character in his own
right, but that
>>: does not detract in the least bit from the "continuing criminal
enterprise"
>>: which is called the Clinton administration........
>
>>Get your facts straight. There is not one molecule of evidence,
hearsay
>>or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his
administration
>>in Whitewater. Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and
she's
>>not a member of the administration, just the wife of the president.
This
>>is beside the fact that there still remains no evidence of wrongdoing
on
>>her part.
>Let's remember that Hillary has made several self-admitted mistakes
>trying to "help" Bill run the Presidency. Although she never admitted
>to having folks fired from the Travel Office, she admits she did make
>a few comments that were interpreted as suggestions by staff members.
Ross Woody
>
>
> Thornsberry has been asked by many people many times to please NOT
>crosspost every post to 15 or more newsgroups since MOST of them are
>NOT interested in whatever he is posting and the newsgroup is for an
>entirely different subject, yet he thinks it is funny and is being a
>smart ass by continuing to do it and just laughs at people and calls
>them all kinds of names because he enjoys it. He KNOWS it is RUDE and
>not supposed to be done on USENET but he doesn't care about anyone but
>himself.
> Please help us try to stop crossposting and if you see something that
>is crossposted either not respond or if you do, please trim the
>headers down to the ONE you are posting from. Thank you
>
>
>
>\\/ayne //\ann
>
>
>
>
>"The President has kept all of the promises he
>intended to keep."
> - George Stephanopolous on "Larry King Live"
> - 2/16/96
>
elected you Net Cop? If you want to kill cross posting, respond to each
newsgroup individually. Otherwise....Blow it out your ass!
Ross Woody
--
If electricity is produced by electrons...
Is morality produced by morons?
!Rack Jite
ps... You need a valium Wayne. :)
On Sat, 02 Mar 1996 01:46:44 GMT, wdm...@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann)
wrote and is answered by the sorely CONSERVATIVELY INCORRECT, Rack Jite:
!tbe...@computek.net (Dan Thornsberry) wrote:
!
!
! Thornsberry has been asked by many people many times to please
NOT
!crosspost every post to 15 or more newsgroups since MOST of them are
!NOT interested in whatever he is posting and the newsgroup is for an
!entirely different subject, yet he thinks it is funny and is being a
!smart ass by continuing to do it and just laughs at people and calls
!them all kinds of names because he enjoys it. He KNOWS it is RUDE and
!not supposed to be done on USENET but he doesn't care about anyone but
!himself.
! Please help us try to stop crossposting and if you see something
that
!is crossposted either not respond or if you do, please trim the
!headers down to the ONE you are posting from. Thank you
!
!
!
!
!>In article <4h569f$k...@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu>, ke...@engr.latech.edu
says...
!
!
!>>Pat sez: Refresh my memory. Is it D'Amato who deserted his date to
!>>suffocate in his car at the bottom of Chappaquiddick sound? If so you
are
!>>right, he should be in prison.
!>>
!
!>Too bad he didn't shoot her, then the republikkkans would
!>be rushing to support him, after all the NEW GOP likes to make
!>heros out of gunloon criminals.
!
!>--
!>============================================================
!>| | The GOP wants more guns |
!>| Dan Thornsberry | |
!>|tbe...@computek.net |
! and less education!!! |
!>| | |
!>============================================================
!>The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty;
!>but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong,
!>means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the
!>weak. -Will Durant
!
!
!
!
!\\/ayne //\ann
!
!
!
!
!"The President has kept all of the promises he
!intended to keep."
! - George Stephanopolous on "Larry King Live"
! - 2/16/96
!
"I suppose I can understand the selfish callous disregard,
it's the pride in it that passes me by." Rack Jite
The NEW Conservatively Incorrect - http://turnpike.net/emporium/H/HR/
NETSCAB CENTRAL - http://turnpike.net/emporium/H/HR/indexnet.htm
Barnard N. Madsen
> Barnard N. Madsen (bma...@ids2.idsonline.com) wrote:
> : > Get your facts straight. There is not one molecule of evidence, hearsay
> : > or otherwise, implicating Bill Clinton or any member in his administration
> : > in Whitewater. Hillary Clinton is at the center of the probe and she's
> : > not a member of the administration, just the wife of the president. This
> : > is beside the fact that there still remains no evidence of wrongdoing on
> : > her part.
>
> : Try conspiracy to commit bank fraud, bank fraud, obstruction of justice,
> : check kiting, lying to investigators, perjury -- just for starters.
>
You ended your posting that "there still remains no evidence of wrongdoing on
*HER* [Mrs Clinton's] part." (Emphasis mine) I began mine by illustrating
the potential charges for which Mrs Clinton could face indictment based on
the evidence that is now public.
Your patronizing rejection of that evidence doesn't mean it ceases to
exist. Only that you choose to ignore it. Therefore, your attack on
others' "rush to judgment" is an ironic indictment of yourself.
But, you say, "Hillary Clinton is not a member of the administration, just
the wife of the president." Your careful parsing does injustice to common
sense.
The potential conflicts of interest involving Mrs Clinton were conflicts
precisely because of her HUSBAND's position.
Her business partners, the MacDougals, were also HIS business partners.
The MacDougals' financial dealings with MR CLINTON's successor are now the
subject of indictments and are pending trial.
Therefore, your implication that Mr Clinton didn't know about and is not
accountable for his own wife's potential conflicts of interest involving
HIMSELF, and her shady financial dealings with THEIR business partners, is
simply not credible.
Your partisan hatred of Republicans is palpable. Tell me truly: if the
Nixon White House had been dribbling out documents "inadvertently" lost or
mislaid for two years, or if Nancy Reagan's billing records were suddently
discovered in her private reading room and she professed not to know where
they had come from, wouldn't you consider that "molecular evidence" (if
not thermonuclear) of wrongdoing?
Paul H. Henry
<ke...@engr.latech.edu> wrote:
> tbe...@computek.net (Dan Thornsberry) wrote:
[...]
> >>"inadvertent staff oversights" resulting in documents under subpoena
> >>finally dribbling out. Please explain how Mrs Clinton's billing records
> >>suddenly appeared in the WH private residence. This isn't partisan
> >>politics or a self-promotion job by D'Amato. The more we learn, the more
> >>unanswered questions there are. And it keeps looking worse for the WH.
> >
> >What a moron. She hid them for two years, no one ever
> >expected to see them reappear, then she changed her mind
> >and decided to release the records. Stupid stupid stupid
> >republicans are really grasping at straws. You can visit
> >Senator D'Amafia in prison long before the little bastard
> >finds anything in whitewater.
> Pat sez: Refresh my memory. Is it D'Amato who deserted his date to
> suffocate in his car at the bottom of Chappaquiddick sound? If so you are
> right, he should be in prison.
Republican Debate Technique #331: When you are losing the argument, change
the subject.
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|_) || for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not
| aul H. Henry - Tacoma, Wash. || a Republican." --H. L. Mencken
====================== http://www.halcyon.com/phenry/ =====================
Paul H. Henry
[...]
> Let Al D's constituency decide if he represents their best interests
> or not. That's what the ballot box is for.
And if D'Amato is a lowlife sleazy crook, that's what the jury box is for.
RHA
Hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (henry E. Kilpatrick Jr.) <hkil...@bthouse.com> wrote:
>Path: news.planetc.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!
> portal.gmu.edu!osf1.gmu.edu!hkilpatr
>From: hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.)
>Newsgroups: us.politics.bob-dole,talk.politics.misc,nyc.politics,ny.politics,
> alt.society.conservatism,alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.usa.
> republican,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.clinton,alt.
> impeach.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.art-bel
>Subject: Re: THE CORRUPT CAREER OF ALFONSE D'AMATO
>Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
>Message-ID: <4gqdhc$e...@portal.gmu.edu>
>
>l,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
>Followup-To:
>us.politics.bob-dole,talk.politics.misc,nyc.politics,ny.politics,alt.societ
>.conservatism,alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politic
>.democrats.d,alt.politics.clinton,alt.impeach.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>alt.fan.art-bell,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.conspiracy,alt.a
>tivism
>References: <msbDn7...@netcom.com>
><NEWTNews.8250699...@davebrik.bright.net>
><Dn9ry...@magpie.com> <bmadsen-2402...@ip127.idsonline.com>
>Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
>Distribution:
>: The age-old misdirection argument of "the pot calling the kettle black"
>: doesn't make the kettle *white*. You can start an investigation on
>: D'Amato next year. In the meantime, please explain all of the
>: finally dribbling out. Please explain how Mrs Clinton's billing records
>: suddenly appeared in the WH private residence. This isn't partisan
>: politics or a self-promotion job by D'Amato. The more we learn, the more
>: unanswered questions there are. And it keeps looking worse for the WH.
>
>had access to the WH private residence to search for documents.
>
>Could they have planted them?
At first I was going to ignore that comment as silly but
the WSJ's Al Hunt reported on CNN's "Capital Gang" that,
unlike the Rose Law firm, Kenneth Starr's law firm had
been sued for "professional misconduct" by the RTC.
Hmmmm.
:-)
--
rha
John Q. Public
>
>
> Republican Debate Technique #331: When you are losing the argument, change
> the subject.
Check out the title of your post. Check out the name of
this newsgroup.
When did you become a Republican?
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Prediction of the decade: "The public will never believe the
innocence of the Clintons & their loyal staff." -- author unknown
The Generalissimo
phe...@halcyon.com (Paul H. Henry) writes:
>
>In article <4h569f$k...@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu>, Pat Kelso
><ke...@engr.latech.edu> wrote:
>
>> tbe...@computek.net (Dan Thornsberry) wrote:
>
>[...]
>
subpoena
>> >>finally dribbling out. Please explain how Mrs Clinton's billing
records
>> >>suddenly appeared in the WH private residence. This isn't
partisan
>> >>politics or a self-promotion job by D'Amato. The more we learn,
the more
>> >>unanswered questions there are. And it keeps looking worse for
the WH.
>> >
>> >expected to see them reappear, then she changed her mind
>> >and decided to release the records. Stupid stupid stupid
>> >republicans are really grasping at straws. You can visit
>> >Senator D'Amafia in prison long before the little bastard
>> >finds anything in whitewater.
>
>> Pat sez: Refresh my memory. Is it D'Amato who deserted his date to
>> suffocate in his car at the bottom of Chappaquiddick sound? If so
you are
>> right, he should be in prison.
>
D'amato is guilty of. Unless this is just more libberish.
>--
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======
> _ (phe...@halcyon.com) || "There is always something to be
thankful
>|_) || for; as for me, I rejoice that I am
not
Voltaire
> Thornsberry has been asked by many people many times to please NOT
>crosspost every post to 15 or more newsgroups since MOST of them are
>NOT interested in whatever he is posting and the newsgroup is for an
>entirely different subject, yet he thinks it is funny and is being a
>smart ass by continuing to do it and just laughs at people and calls
>them all kinds of names because he enjoys it. He KNOWS it is RUDE and
>not supposed to be done on USENET but he doesn't care about anyone but
>himself.
> Please help us try to stop crossposting and if you see something that
>is crossposted either not respond or if you do, please trim the
>headers down to the ONE you are posting from. Thank you
Sorry Wayne. He is doing you a favor. You area is about to become
extinct. The witch hunt is over and Al and the rest of the GOP-Nazis
haven't done shit.
He are a few suggestions for a new area you can rant on:
alt.newt.GOPAC.indictments
alt. clinton.elected.again
alt.buchanan.joins.fascist.anonymous
alt.whine.on.reactionary.boy
Hope that helps.
Voltaire
Maverick
On 4 Mar 1996, Dan Thornsberry wrote:
> >..Being an open minded republican, please post exactly what Mr.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> oxymoron alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
Hyporcricy alert!!!!!! Isn't it very closed minded to think that
the entire Republican party isn't open minded? Sure...maybe Pat
Buchanan....maybe B-1 Bob Dornan fans.... but not everyone.
Dan Thornsberry
>
>>> Pat sez: Refresh my memory. Is it D'Amato who deserted his date to
>>> suffocate in his car at the bottom of Chappaquiddick sound? If so
>you are
>>> right, he should be in prison.
>>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
oxymoron alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>D'amato is guilty of. Unless this is just more libberish.
--
"Yes sir, Mr. Gambino" - Alfonse D'Amato
============================================================
| | The GOP wants more guns |
| Dan Thornsberry | |
|tbe...@computek.net | and less education!!! |
| | |
============================================================
The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty;
but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong,
means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the
weak. -Will Durant
Dan Thornsberry
>
Thornsberry thinks that the persistant whines of Wayne Mann
clutter up ever news group and until it stops, I would
encourage everyone to add alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater
to EVERY thread
--
"Yes sir, Mr. Gambino" - Alfonse D'Amato
"When your fans are idiots, facts don't matter" - Rush Limbaugh
Keith Marchington
: Thornsberry thinks
Always start with the big lie...
: that the persistant whines of Wayne Mann
Dan complaining about somebody whining?
: clutter up ever[sic] news group and until it stops, I would
Dan, you mistyped "every." What was that old adage about
glass houses?
--
Keith
Paul H. Henry
<Pine.HPP.3.91.960304...@hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu>,
Maverick <bret...@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
> On 4 Mar 1996, Dan Thornsberry wrote:
>
> > >..Being an open minded republican, please post exactly what Mr.
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > oxymoron alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
>
> Hyporcricy alert!!!!!! Isn't it very closed minded to think that
> the entire Republican party isn't open minded? Sure...maybe Pat
> Buchanan....maybe B-1 Bob Dornan fans.... but not everyone.
That's true. Of course, you'd have to add Phil Gramm's people to the list,
and Pat Robertson's, but the rest of them are as open-minded as--oh, wait,
I forgot Jesse Helms. And Newt Gingrich. I suppose you'd have to throw Al
D'Amato in there, too. And Jerry Falwell. And Henry Hyde, of course. And
Rush Limbaugh...well, pretty much the entire AM radio band, actually. And
we've got some local folks that ought to be included too, like Linda Smith
and Slade Gorton. And Ralph Reed! Can't forget him. And Orrin Hatch. And
Helen Chenoweth, of course, and Mary Matalin, and... uh...
I'm sorry. What was the question again?
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|_) || for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not
| aul H. Henry - Tacoma, Wash. || a Republican." --H. L. Mencken
====================== http://www.halcyon.com/phenry/ =====================
RHA
The Generalissimo <nic...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>In <phenry-0203...@blv-pm12-ip6.halcyon.com>
>phe...@halcyon.com (Paul H. Henry) writes:
>>
>>In article <4h569f$k...@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu>, Pat Kelso
>><ke...@engr.latech.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> tbe...@computek.net (Dan Thornsberry) wrote:
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>> >>"inadvertent staff oversights" resulting in documents under
>subpoena
>>> >>finally dribbling out. Please explain how Mrs Clinton's billing
>records
>>> >>suddenly appeared in the WH private residence. This isn't
>partisan
>>> >>politics or a self-promotion job by D'Amato. The more we learn,
>the more
>>> >>unanswered questions there are. And it keeps looking worse for
>the WH.
>>> >
>>> >What a moron. She hid them for two years, no one ever
>>> >expected to see them reappear, then she changed her mind
>>> >and decided to release the records. Stupid stupid stupid
>>> >republicans are really grasping at straws. You can visit
>>> >Senator D'Amafia in prison long before the little bastard
>>> >finds anything in whitewater.
>>
>>> suffocate in his car at the bottom of Chappaquiddick sound? If so
>you are
>>> right, he should be in prison.
>>
Ahhh, *no* *one* *knows*! He won't let the findings be released.
Gee, I wonder why. (No, not really, I can guess the answer.) Why
don't you, as the "open-minded republican" you are, run over to
the Ethics Committee, ask them to slip you a copy, and publish
it here?
--
rha
Jefferson
>On Thu, 07 Mar 1996 18:03:39 -0800, "Michael D. Jones"
><mdj...@metronet.com> wrote:
>
>>Its quite obviuos that Danny-boy doesn't think too much at all.
>>I've read a number of his posts and they don't convince me that he is
>>capable of higher brain functions such as thought or chewing gum and
>>walking, etc.
>
>> As my daddy said 'is better to be thought a fool than to open
>>your mouth and remove all doubt'.
>
>Its a shame you don't listen to your own Daddy!
>
> Voltaire
>Said like a champion, Voltaire!
Joshua Whalen
ri...@praline.no.NeoSoft.com (RHA) wrote:
Y'know, I hate to say anything in defense of Al D'Amato, sleazebucket that
he truly is, but it is rather odd that the afore mentioned papers suddenly
surfaced EXACTLY one day AFTER the statute of limitations on crimes
stemming from the S&L crisis expired. This is really, very truly
suspicious.
BTW, I've heard a lot of people say that whitewater is petty, the sums
involved were trivial, etc... This is all very true. However, I seem to
recall that the sum that Spiro Agnew witheld on his income taxes were
equally petty, but he had to resign his office and plead no contest,
etc.... I've voted Democratic in every election since I was eighteen, but
these people in the Whitehouse truly stink. I've never regretted a vote I
cast so much in my life. I might as well have voted republican, because,
infact, the social agenda that I support did better before the clintons
than it has since, or probably ever will do again. By failing to be a
fighter, by failing to really stand up and defend the values that Billary
have claimed to represent, by wafflinng on every issue of any relevance or
meaning, these people have weakend the progressive agenda in a way no
republican administration ever could.
Sorry, friends, but I have to speak my conscience here.
Joshua
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thEwhiZ
>The Medicare Board of Trustees reported on April 3rd that within
>7 years, the Hospital Insurance fund (Medicare) will be bankrupt.
>By the end of this year, outgo will exceed income for the first
>time since the program's inception, and only the current surplus
>in the trust account is keeping it afloat.
>If the Republicans enact a tax cut, Medicare goes broke.
>If they DON'T enact a tax cut, Medicare goes broke.
>If the Republicans balance the budget in 7 years, Medicare goes
>broke.
>If they DON'T balance the budget in 7 years, Medicare goes
>broke.
>If Bill Clinton is defeated in 1996, Medicare goes broke.
>If Bill Clinton WINS in 1996, Medicare goes broke.
>Medicare spending is rising at an unsustainable rate of 10.5% per
>year on average. This rate is expected to INCREASE over the
>next 7 years. Meanwhile the so-called 'crisis' in private health
>insurance has abated (rates dropped 1.4% last year) entirely due
>to voluntary measures undertaken by the industry itself over the
>past 5 years. Overall health care costs are rising ONLY
>BECAUSE the public segments of the market,
>Medicare/Medicaid, are still growing out of control. Ultimately
>these monstrous costs will spill out over into the private sector
>(they already have to some extent) and force private health
>insurance to resume its death spiral into inflation.
>The Democrat solution is (as always) to steal money from the
>other trust funds to cover the shortfall temporarily but this will
>only work through FY 2006 when demands on these trust funds
>will exceed revenues. That means, in essence, in FY 2006 all the
>money 'borrowed' - ie. stolen - from the other trust funds will
>have to be replaced. All $300 Billion of it, including interest.
>Democrats making these proposals today don't care about this:
>Very few of them, if any, would still be in office to answer to the
>people when the balloon payment came due. And the ones in
>office would find SOME way to blame Reagan for their mess.
>\\/ayne //\ann
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Very interesting Wayne thank you for so politly and effectively
demonstrating to this news group exactly How republicans cloud the
issues... This demonstration is a very good example of digression
from the topic, while maintaining ingenious truths concerning
non-related topics. Although I sincerly understand this somehow ties
into Alfonse D'amato political career... I'm most confident your were
merely explaining and demonstrating one of the many techniques he and
Sen. Dole were planning to use in the upcomming campaigns. Once again
thank you for the post.
Ok next!!!
Politics as with most things, is better served in moderation!!!
Wayne Mann
Joshua Whalen
Thornsberry) wrote:
>In article <joshua-1503...@dial11.bway.net>, jos...@bway.net says...
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>>Y'know, I hate to say anything in defense of Al D'Amato, sleazebucket that
>>he truly is, but it is rather odd that the afore mentioned papers suddenly
>>surfaced EXACTLY one day AFTER the statute of limitations on crimes
>>stemming from the S&L crisis expired. This is really, very truly
>>suspicious.
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>> Joshua
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>1. The 'statute of limitations' speil is a right
> wing invention.
Absolutely incorrect. My source on this matter is the New York Times.
While I find the Times annoyingly elitist on occasion, I would hardly
call them right wing.
>
>2. It would make no fucking difference because there
> is nothing in the records which could trigger
> any kind of prosecution. Just more right wing
> screams about a coverup of no crime.
Incorrect again. The authorities investigating Hillary's involvement in
the whole whitewater mess did not exonerate her, they simply recommended
against prosecution because "the cost of prosecution would be greater than
the amounts that could be expected to be recovered." Again, I cite the NY
Times as my source on this matter.
I couldn't agree more that the republicans are mostly scum, but honestly,
so are the democrats, and especially the Clintons. We live in a
Kleptogarchy. I will never again vote for or make apologies for someone on
the basis of "the lesser of two evils = good" You either fight for the
truth, or drown in an ocean of bullshit. Whether it is Right Wing or Left
Wing bullshit, you still drown in it. Bill Clinton threw away the
environmental agenda, has done absolutley NOTHING on AIDS, and quite
frankly, the progressive social agenda made more progress when the
democrats had the congress, and republicans had the white house. I vote
for third party candidates now, and if there is no one running I really
believe in, like this year so far, then I just don't vote at all.