Here's an idea for you cop haters
Steve
Next time you are being mugged, or your home is being broken into, or you
are being assaulted, or you car is stolen or any crime is being committed
against you, DON'T call 911.
Call Al Sharptin and his gang over to help you. You better hope it is a
high profile crime, or he won't come to help.
Police officers to their best out on the streets, risking their lives every
day, to keep Idiots like OFR and his gang safe, and what they get in return
is the 0.01% of the bad cops thrown in their faces.
You all know that the police are the only reason that our society is not
total anarchy, so be grateful, not hateful.
So, remember Cop haters, don't call 911, call sharptin.
__
Steve
Friend
>Here's an idea for you cop haters
>
>
>Next time you are being mugged, or your home is being broken into, or you
>are being assaulted, or you car is stolen or any crime is being committed
>against you, DON'T call 911.
>
>Call Al Sharptin and his gang over to help you. You better hope it is a
>high profile crime, or he won't come to help.
>
>Police officers to their best out on the streets, risking their lives every
>day, to keep Idiots like OFR and his gang safe, and what they get in return
>is the 0.01% of the bad cops thrown in their faces.
Your idea is ludicrous. I pay a hell of a lot of money in taxes. I
recognize that it will never be possible to have a police force that's
full of perfect individuals. What I also expect is that those individuals
on the force who commit crimes, fail to respect the civil rights of
anyone, or who show bias in their jobs are disciplined and, if necssary,
convicted for any crimes they commit. If cops cannot be held up to the
same standards that you and I and everyone else is, then that's when we
will have anarchy. Cops who are unaccountable to the public for any wrong
actions they commit is a recipe for trouble for all people. Being an
apologist for the bad cops does not help anyone, not even the good cops.
Eze
| Here's an idea for you cop haters
|
| Next time you are being mugged, or your home is being broken into, or
| you are being assaulted, or you car is stolen or any crime is being
| committed against you, DON'T call 911.
<SNIP>
| Police officers to their best out on the streets, risking their lives
every
| day, to keep Idiots like OFR and his gang safe, and what they get in
| return is the 0.01% of the bad cops thrown in their faces.
<SNIP>
Steve, not everyone who criticizes the cops is a cop hater. I do not
believe that there is anybody out there who *honestly* believes that
*every* single cop is a bad cop.
What I (and I think some others in these Ng's) would like if for civilians
and cops to be treated exactly the same if they are a suspect in a crime,
regardless of the type crime.
There should be no 2-day rule afforded them, their fellow cops should not
protect them and neither should their unions or their mayors. Pure and
simple, they should be processed like any other suspect in a crime. They
should be made to go through the system like civilians. AFAIK, this is
what happens in the UK and they (the British cops) do not have a problem
with it.
Is this so much to ask?
--
Eze
"Patience and passage of time do more than strength and fury."
----- Jean de la Fontaine
Alex
and the bad apples are weeded out. Thats why a newly revamped and
professional CCRB needs to be established. The Commish needs to be given
the disciplinary powers, that he continues to request, but till this day
does not have. A new Police Academy needs to be built, the force trimmed
to 35,000 strong and the money saved given as a raise to New York's
finest.
Steve
be ousted, however, if an honest mistake is made, it should not be turned
into a crime
Alex
Alex
threads. Their people who dislike (for a better term hate is too strong
a term) politicians but still vote. Their people who dislike jury duty
but still fulfill their civic duty. Their people who dislike lawyers,
but still retain one when needed. Their people who dislike hospitals,
but still carry medical insurance. And their people who dislike cops,
but still call 911 for a police response.
Now I fit into category that dislikes hospitals; should I cancel my
medical insurance? or not call for an ambulance in an emergency? Of
course not. Its not to say I don't understand where Steve is coming from
he's frustrated by the Al Sharptons of the world, and rightfully so.
Moonman Mike
>
> Here's an idea for you cop haters
>
Here's an idea for Der Kommandant.
Follow (at least some of ) the recommendations of the panel you set up
to explore corruption, abuse and criminal activity in the NYPD.
Mike
"Hope? There's always hope, Mr. Farnsworth" - D.B.
Steve
chance because he is a total idiot, but then at the first sign of trouble I
am sure he would go crying to the cops for help.
Cops are out there risking their lives every day for idiots like him, and
that just gets me hot under the collar
Alex <vo...@democrat.com> wrote in message news:37028A...@democrat.com...
Steve
what, you think those Cops had a meeting before their shift and decided that
they were going to kill a black guy than night?
Alex <vo...@democrat.com> wrote in message news:370282...@democrat.com...
ap...@wallnet.com
>
> I never said anything to defend bad Cops, and I believe any bad Cops should
> be ousted, however, if an honest mistake is made, it should not be turned
> into a crime
Why not? If a citizen(non-cop) makes a mistake its turned into a crime.
Michael Rimpel
>I am sick of people like OFR who would spit in a cops face if he had the
>chance because he is a total idiot, but then at the first sign of trouble I
>am sure he would go crying to the cops for help.
>
>Cops are out there risking their lives every day for idiots like him, and
>that just gets me hot under the collar
I think the bigger issue is the fact that right now the NYPD has some
serious issues. There are WAY too many cases of police officers doing
wrong and then the NYPD closes ranks to protect "one of their own". that
is what pisses off Black people in this city. The fact of the matter is
that Black and Latino citizens in NYC are treated very differently than
whites. How often are stop and frisks done in white neighborhoods. You
can't say there aren't illegal guns in white areas but if the NYPD is so
committed to getting guns off the streets why don't they look everywhere
for them. There are too many young Black men that have to go through the
inconvenience of being stopped on the street for no other reason than
where they live or how they look. The Diallo case is a perfect example of
what happens when power is abused. Questioning a man because he is coming
home late...and that that late after all since it was before midnight.
Diallo should of never been a suspect. He should of never been
approached.
Michael Rimpel
ri...@worldnet.att.net
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Steve
>>wrong and then the NYPD closes ranks to protect "one of their own".
Wron, see you have falling into the Shaptin trap, he has made you beleve
that the 0.01% of teh time teh cops do wrong is the norm in the city.
>>How often are stop and frisks done in white neighborhoods
Take a look at the crime rate in a black area vs. a white area and tell me
why there is no need for stop and frisks in the white areas.
>>There are too many young Black men that have to go through the
>>inconvenience of being stopped on the street for no other reason than
>>where they live or how they look.
If they are doing nothing wrong they should not care. It only take a few
seconds.
They should be happy the police are trying to keep their area safe.
>>The Diallo case is a perfect example of
>>what happens when power is abused. Questioning a man because he is coming
>>home late...and that that late after all since it was before midnight.
>>Diallo should of never been a suspect. He should of never been
>>approached.
Why? The fact is that the cops were looking for a rape suspect. There sure
was probable cause to stop and ask him what he was up to. It was tragic
what happened, but whould you even care if it was not Diallo that got shot
but the real rape suspect?
How should the police look for a suspect on the steets? Call out, "hey you
rape guy, please turn yourself in, we don;t want to stop anyone and offend
tehm or inconvenience them for a few seconds to make there area safe"
Steve
>>wrong and then the NYPD closes ranks to protect "one of their own".
Wrong, see you have falling into the Shaptin trap, he has made you believe
that the 0.01% of the time the cops do wrong is the norm in the city.
>>How often are stop and frisks done in white neighborhoods
Take a look at the crime rate in a black area vs. a white area and tell me
why there is no need for stop and frisks in the white areas.
>>There are too many young Black men that have to go through the
>>inconvenience of being stopped on the street for no other reason than
>>where they live or how they look.
If they are doing nothing wrong they should not care. It only take a few
seconds.
They should be happy the police are trying to keep their area safe.
>>The Diallo case is a perfect example of
>>what happens when power is abused. Questioning a man because he is coming
>>home late...and that that late after all since it was before midnight.
>>Diallo should of never been a suspect. He should of never been
>>approached.
Why? The fact is that the cops were looking for a rape suspect. There sure
was probable cause to stop and ask him what he was up to. It was tragic
what happened, but would you even care if it was not Diallo that got shot
but the real rape suspect?
How should the police look for a suspect on the streets? Call out, "hey you
rape guy, please turn yourself in, we don;t want to stop anyone and offend
them or inconvenience them for a few seconds to make there area safe"
Alex
> tell me why there is no need for stop and frisks in the white areas.
Drop the stats, or was this just a blanket statement?
> >>There are too many young Black men that have to go through the
> >>inconvenience of being stopped on the street for no other reason
> >>than where they live or how they look.
>
> If they are doing nothing wrong they should not care. It only take a
> few seconds.
You're questioned, asked for ID, searched, and run through the system.
Far from a friendly stop and it takes longer than just a "few seconds."
> They should be happy the police are trying to keep their area safe.
They're not "trying" the NYPD is not running a charity here. The NYPD is
doing their job.
>There sure was probable cause to stop and ask him what he was up to.
They didn't "stop and ask" Diallo a thing. They approached him with guns
drawn.
Alex
> sure was.
> what, you think those Cops had a meeting before their shift and > decided that they were going to kill a black guy than night?
That would be first degree murder. The DA charged second degree murder,
and the grand jury indicted the officers on second degree murder. With
that said I feel what happened in The Bronx was a tragedy. To describe
it as an "honest mistake" is just plain callous.
Eze
| I am sick of people like OFR who would spit in a cops face if he had the
| chance because he is a total idiot, but then at the first sign of trouble
I
| am sure he would go crying to the cops for help.
|
| Cops are out there risking their lives every day for idiots like him, and
| that just gets me hot under the collar
Steve, while I appreciate what OFR does by posting those stories about the
few incidents when cops get it wrong, it certainly does not make me a cop
hater and it is definitely does not affect my opinion of the cops. I try
to judge people on an individual basis and not generalize.
And while OFR's stories seem like a lot, I know that these incidents do not
account for the vast majority of police work. However, it must also be
said, that there are probably a few stories that slip by OFR, hard as this
may seem.
I am grateful to be made aware of them, but by itself, it does not and will
not make me come to a decision about cops. I have had to call the cops
once, and while I hope never to have to do so again (meaning I hope I am
never again the victim of any type of crime), I will not be holding my
breath.
OFR posts stories of cops doing wrong, perhaps the best way to "fight" him
is to get a cop to post stories of cops doing good. A cop that solves a
burglary is not doing good, but simply doing his/her job; the cop that goes
one step further by assisting the victim to clean up his/her house after it
was trashed during the burglary, is definitely doing good.
This is just an analogy, I am not saying cops should start cleaning houses.
It is that extra step that we the civilian populace remember, and that we
term "good".
Torres-Astacio
Steve <swe...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:j9yM2.1476$Bj.68...@news.optonline.net...
> sure was.
> what, you think those Cops had a meeting
> before their shift and decided that
> they were going to kill a black guy than night?
No, but there the reality that minority males,
black males are the perpertrators of the majority of
the street crime in NYC and those cops know it,
SCU is activated in the areas where street crime
is high, they were expecting trouble, trouble coming
in the form of a minority male.
Obwon
I've never read a more foolish reply to a posting!
How does one act suspicious outside their own building? You
don't suppose that the reason for "Community Policing" was just
to prevent Police -- who know little or nothing about the
community/neighborhood or it's people and who they are -- from
comming in out of the blue in abject ignorance of anything useful
at all and simply focusing on the first person they see!
What is and is not 'suspicious activity' is a very subjective
perception! If I'm your neighbor and I see you suddenly run from
the house and jump in your car, there's nothing 'suspcious' about
it without something further to clue! A foot patrolman would
know the people of the neighborhood! Who works for a living and
possible even where!
These men, from heaven knows where, simply jumped from their
car into they knew not what to accost a man they did not know but
whom they claim they percieved to be a possible rapist or other
criminal!
So the better question is how well should policemen know the
neighborhoods and the communities they are allowed to police?
Remember, we can vote to do away with the Police entirely! That
is one of our possible choices! We can also vote to disarm them
if necessary! So it is under our form of gov't "We the People"
who allow the Police to police our communities!
Obviously, we're going to lose more members of our communities
if Police don't know whose who and can't tell a working man from
the common criminals! You yourself Sir could be a possible
rape suspect! Any Policeman, looking for a rape suspect is
probably seeking a man of some several hundereds of discriptions
already on the police books.
So... Why is a black working man suddenly 'justifiably'
stopped and or shot as a -- or for being -- a possible rape
suspect? Why are no white 'possible rape suspects' ever stopped
and shot by mistake? I'm sure white people inhabit apartment
buildings where drugs and other crimes have been and/or are
committed! How come the is no SCU actions staged there?
You are mistaken about your belief that black neighborhoods
are the great focus of crime as you say! The truth is there are
many more whites doing, trafficing in both drugs and sex and
engaged in the commission of crimes See the reports and studies
on crime from the Senate and House Judiciary Committee's on
down! You are stuck with a stereotypical view that just isn't
the real truth!
In fact the only real difference between the white and black
neighborhoods as far as Polcing and crime, is the way the Police
themselves operate in the two areas! In the Black areas, they
work with impunity, ignorance and brute force! In the White
areas, they do their detective work and generally honor the
people's rights!
They don't simply go into a subway station on Wall St. and
grab everyone there and line them up against a wall and go
through their pockets looking for drugs! But they do that kind
of thing in the Bronx, in Harlem and Bed-Stuy! Yet... A while
back, if you remember your newspaper headlines, a massive number
of white collar workers on Wall St. were found to be using drugs!
These 'proceedures' of grabbing a group of people and
subjecting them to wholesale searches are called "Sweeps"! Why
they never 'swept' Wall St. is a very glaring difference in the
way the Police go about policing the city!
Let's face it! Diallo's activities that awful night could not
be described as 'suspcious' by Policemen who didn't even know who
he was! If you don't know the person or the building or the
neighborhood or the area or it's people -- How can you possibly
know what suspicious activity is? How could they know, for
example, that Diallo wasn't deaf?
How could they know that his beeper hadn't gone off and that
he'd turned to go back to his apartment to return a call, without
ever even being aware that the police were even around? They
don't know his behaviour -- normal or otherwise! Yet they tell
us he was acting suspiciously! Suspicious based upon what?
Standing in the lobby at a late hour? Is that anyway to
identify possible rapists?
If they had stopped him and talked to him, what were they
thinking he'd say if he were the rapist? "Hi, I'm a rapist?" So
Diallo had to either look like the man being sought or not! If
their only claim is that they were seeking a blackman who had
committed several rapes! Then they stopped him because he's a
blackman, then they aren't able to sufficiently differentiate
between people and shouldn't be Policemen to begin with! That's
not Policework, that's fraud -- as in, accepting pay under false
pretenses! They should be tried under the RICO act!
Obwon
Friend
>I never said anything to defend bad Cops, and I believe any bad Cops should
>be ousted, however, if an honest mistake is made, it should not be turned
>into a crime
True, but criminal activities on the part of cops should also not be
turned into "honest mistakes".
jigo
Steve wrote:
> Next time you are being mugged, or your home is being broken into, or you
> are being assaulted, or you car is stolen or any crime is being committed
> against you, DON'T call 911.Call Al Sharptin and his gang over to help you.
> ...
> Police officers to their best out on the streets, risking their lives every
> day, to keep Idiots like OFR and his gang safe, and what they get in return
> is the 0.01% of the bad cops thrown in their faces.
...
Since we are forced to pay taxes to support the police, we have a right to call
on them for help when we are victims of a crime. But their help is practically
worthless--I've been the victim of a crime five times and they have never been
of any help at all either in recovering stolen goods or catching the
perpetrator. That's anecdotal, but if you look up the statistics you'll find
that at most one or two percent of crimes are ever solved, i.e., result in
someone being convicted. Many of us would prefer to see law enforcement
privatized--let each person decide what law enforcement service to subscribe
to. This would both increase efficiency and make law enforcement more
accountable.
As far as their "risking their lives," it's a gross exaggeration.
Law-enforcement personnel have a job-related fatality rate about the same as
news vendors. Most of their fatalities, by the way, are not due to felonious
assault, but to traffic accidents.
The actual statistics on job-related fatalities can be found on the Department
of Labor’s site at:
http://stats.bls/gov/oshcftab.htm. Table 1, TXT lists total job-related
fatalities per 100,000 employees per year.
Truck drivers have a job-related fatality rate over 50% higher than cops;
taxicab drivers and chauffeurs have nearly triple the rate;
farm workers have a 76% higher rate;
fishermen have a rate over 6 times higher;
forestry workers over 5 times higher;
electrical power installers and repairers 60% higher.
TOMofSNJ
jigo <ji...@erols.com> wrote in article <3704E05B...@erols.com>...
>
>
> Steve wrote:
>
> > Next time you are being mugged, or your home is being broken into, or
you
> > are being assaulted, or you car is stolen or any crime is being
committed
> > against you, DON'T call 911.Call Al Sharptin and his gang over to help
you.
> > ...
>
> > Police officers to their best out on the streets, risking their lives
every
> > day, to keep Idiots like OFR and his gang safe, and what they get in
return
> > is the 0.01% of the bad cops thrown in their faces.
>
> ...
> Since we are forced to pay taxes to support the police, we have a right
to call
> on them for help when we are victims of a crime. But their help is
practically
I would be happy if they just stop using us for a source of revenue. The
Philadelphia inquirer had a front page article about a town just outside
of Philadelphia who were repeatedly informed that their method of checking
on the speed at a location was illegal and their calculations incorrect.
Did the town care about that fact or did the town care about the $182,000
in traffic fines? You can be sure they only cared about the fines. The
traffic court judge commented that people should have brought up the
subject in traffic court. The fact that many did just did not changed the
guilty verdict from the traffic judge. The only standard in traffic court
is who is the person related to and can that person cause any problems.
. Time after time they were informed that their painted lines were not
legal because they were not at a legal location and they were not the
proper distance. The paper stated that they collect $182,000 in traffic
fines. Now that they have been caught they do not want to give the money
back even though they were completely wrong. The traffic judge told the
town engineer go out and recheck the painted lines and the judge still
convicted the drivers based on the town engineer stating they were
correct. I think this tell the world the nature of traffic judges and
town engineers who put traffic fines as their main goal. How complicated
can it be to measure if the line is 250 feet from the traffic sign as
required? How complicated can it be to measure if two lines painted on the
road are a certain number of feet apart? Why do they call the guy an town
engineer if is incapable of accurately measuring 250 feet?
$182,000 is a lot of money for a small town and I wonder how many other
locations in the town are a real money maker. I grew up only a couple
towns away. That town in question has been going down hill since the
Korean war. I guess what is good for the local elected officials, traffic
judge, and local police might not be good for the community.
Kevin
bother with you.
Moonman Mike
>
> >>There are WAY too many cases of police officers doing
> >>wrong and then the NYPD closes ranks to protect "one of their own".
>
>
> >>How often are stop and frisks done in white neighborhoods
An illegal search is an illegal search in ANY nabe.
> Take a look at the crime rate in a black area vs. a white area and tell me
> why there is no need for stop and frisks in the white areas.
The probability of a lawsuits perhaps? :-)
> >>There are too many young Black men that have to go through the
> >>inconvenience of being stopped on the street for no other reason than
> >>where they live or how they look.
>
> If they are doing nothing wrong they should not care. It only take a few
> seconds.
> They should be happy the police are trying to keep their area safe.
I'm sure that you just can't wait for your turn to be thrown up againt a
wall
or having your car tossed.
Moonman Mike
>
> sure was.
> what, you think those Cops had a meeting before their shift and decided that
> they were going to kill a black guy than night?
> > Do you feel the shooting in The Bronx was an "honest mistake"?
No more than the guy in Staten Island who fell asleep at the wheel
intened
to kill a cop with his car that early morning.
HIS ass was thrown in jail on the spot.
Moonman Mike
>
>
> OFR posts stories of cops doing wrong, perhaps the best way to "fight" him
> is to get a cop to post stories of cops doing good.
Pigs will fly first, but how about getting the good cops to "out" the
bad ones?
If you believe all the big blue bullshit, there are an overwhelming
majority
of "good" cops on the job. Why is it so hard for an overwheming majority
to get rid of "a few bad apples"?
Its the few bad ones that make life miserable fo ALL of them, so why
do they tolerate bad behavior and decisions?
--
Michael Rimpel
>>>There are WAY too many cases of police officers doing
>>>wrong and then the NYPD closes ranks to protect "one of their own".
>
>Wron, see you have falling into the Shaptin trap, he has made you beleve
>that the 0.01% of teh time teh cops do wrong is the norm in the city.
Stop it. the fact of the matter is that cops will lie for other cops to
keep them out of trouble. Even if it is only .01% of the police do wrong
(we will ignore whole precients like the 30th) the fact that other cops
see that .01% do wrong and do nothing to stop it and lie about seeing it
makes them criminal.
>>>How often are stop and frisks done in white neighborhoods
>
>Take a look at the crime rate in a black area vs. a white area and tell me
>why there is no need for stop and frisks in the white areas.
Ahhhhh so according to you you will only find illegal guns in Black areas.
Every person whith the ability to stop and think knows that to be false.
If the police were willing to stop and frisk people in Forest Hills, Ozone
Park, Bensonhurst and most of Staten Island you mean to tell me they
wouldn't find guns?? Give me a breat, even with the neighborhoods being
as bad as you like to say the police only find a gun after every 20th
search. According to you 19 people have to have their CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHTS violated and its acceptable, unless its not a "high crime" area.
>>>There are too many young Black men that have to go through the
>>>inconvenience of being stopped on the street for no other reason than
>>>where they live or how they look.
>
>If they are doing nothing wrong they should not care. It only take a few
>seconds.
>They should be happy the police are trying to keep their area safe.
How safe can you feel when armed men are going through your pockets for no
other reason than they felt like it. I wonder if Anthony Biaz felt safe
playing football on his own street, hey there was a police officer there
to keep an eye on him.
Cyrus Afzali
wrote:
>>>There are WAY too many cases of police officers doing
>>>wrong and then the NYPD closes ranks to protect "one of their own".
>
>Wron, see you have falling into the Shaptin trap, he has made you beleve
>that the 0.01% of teh time teh cops do wrong is the norm in the city.
>
>>>How often are stop and frisks done in white neighborhoods
>
>Take a look at the crime rate in a black area vs. a white area and tell me
>why there is no need for stop and frisks in the white areas.
There's no need for stop and frisks in any neighborhood -- black or
white. People shouldn't be considered criminal because they live in a
neighborhood that has higher crime. Sure, that would make the cops'
lives a lot easier and allow them to eat more doughnuts, but that's
not why they are getting paid.
>
>>>There are too many young Black men that have to go through the
>>>inconvenience of being stopped on the street for no other reason than
>>>where they live or how they look.
>
>If they are doing nothing wrong they should not care. It only take a few
>seconds.
>They should be happy the police are trying to keep their area safe.
I for one wouldn't like it and I'm white. I think those kind of
tactics are too aggressive and make it too easy on the cops. If you
start considering everyone a suspect, sooner or later you'll start to
luck out and catch a few. But that doesn't mean you've done good
policework. That just means you played the law of averages.
>
>>>The Diallo case is a perfect example of
>>>what happens when power is abused. Questioning a man because he is coming
>>>home late...and that that late after all since it was before midnight.
>>>Diallo should of never been a suspect. He should of never been
>>>approached.
>
>Why? The fact is that the cops were looking for a rape suspect. There sure
>was probable cause to stop and ask him what he was up to. It was tragic
>what happened, but whould you even care if it was not Diallo that got shot
>but the real rape suspect?
What does the fact they were looking for a rape suspect have to do
with anything? They've been "looking" for this suspect for ages. Since
their apparent fabulous police techniques don't work, now you want
them to stop and frisk everyone under the sun? I don't.
>
>How should the police look for a suspect on the steets? Call out, "hey you
>rape guy, please turn yourself in, we don;t want to stop anyone and offend
>tehm or inconvenience them for a few seconds to make there area safe"
How about actually being in the neighborhoods long term where it's
happening? How about using undercover female officers to possibly try
and lure the person? There are many ways you can do it.
Moonman Mike
>
> I never said anything to defend bad Cops, and I believe any bad Cops should
> be ousted, however, if an honest mistake is made, it should not be turned
> into a crime
If you fall asleep at the wheel while sobert and kill a cop, is it a
"tragic mistake" or manslaughter?
If there was ever a case for the "tragic mistake" scenario, this was it.
Moonman Mike
>
> You better hope that the perp is white or Big Al and his thugs won't
> bother with you.
Shhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
Don't let out the big secret!!!!!!!!
White folks commit crimes!
Nahhhhhhhhhhhh.
Alex
have serious consequences. Thats something that people who defend 41
shots being fired at an unarmed man cannot come to terms with. That even
if it was a tragic mistake, their still serious consequences to face.
Andy Katz
wrote:
>Your idea is ludicrous.
What's really said is that it's not even his. He took it from Reigning
Imbecile of Letters, Steve Dunleavey, who, in turn, took from a legion
of dummies who watch movies like "A Few Good Men" and think
Nicholson's character is the hero.
Andy Katz
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Ruben Safir
I'm sure if the crime rate in any community warrented it, there would be
stop and frisks done in White neighborhoods. Of course, NYC is not
Black and White. It is West Indian, Latino, America Black, Italian, Jewish,
Greek, Colombian, Pakastani, Korean, Chinese, Russian, Polish etc etc ...
Each of these communitiees have different caracturistics. And the police
respond to each differently. But the cops do and should have always been
blind to ethnic diversity in methods such as stop and frisk. The only
thing they should examine is the crime stats.
Who denies that shooting are not more numerous in Harleem, and Washignton
Heights than Forest Hills and a magnitude of 10 fold or greater?
Ruben
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serial rapest.
THAT IS CAUSE to stop him.
That is all the cause that is needed.
And what was Diallo thinking when 4 white men approached him in a predominantly
Black neighborhood.....
He thought they were who???
He probibly thought they were imigration since he was an illegal immigrant and
tried to flee. And Diallo, being an illegal pedaler, knew what the cops
looked like. He could likely spot them from a block away and could quickly packup
his merchandise and excape the cops.
This is no doubt the learned "skill" that he applied here, and got himself shot
in the process.
Ruben Safir
But a Citizen isn't mandated by law to PROTECT FROM CRIMINALS and
Empowered to use a WEAPON.
Cops have a legal RIGHT to fire their weapons.
Ruben Safir
That's correct.... 100%
If they stopped and searched in Bay Ridge, Boro Park, Forrest Hills, and
Ozone Park....
THEY WOULD NOT FIND ILLEGAL GUNS.
Actually, you just stumbled on the fundemental misconception that
Black and hispanics in this city labor under. It's the false
notion that all neighborhoods are the same, all people are the
same, all communities are the same.
They are NOT THE SAME. The vast majority of Drug running, Illegal Guns,
violent crimes, sexual assualts, occur in specific communities.
And these are not little difference...
they are MAJOR differences...............
Ruben Safir
That's what happens with honest mistakes when weapons are involved.
It's the same kind of honest mistake that happens when a US Cruise missle in the
Balkans hits the wrong target.
Moonman Mike
>
> Diallo was lingering on the street and fit a general discription of a
> serial rapest.
He was in the vestible of the building in which he LIVED.
> THAT IS CAUSE to stop him.
Nope.
> That is all the cause that is needed.
Being black was all the cops needed.
- OFR -
>
> Diallo was lingering on the street and fit a general discription of a
> serial rapest.
>
>
Not in my world, body count.
> And what was Diallo thinking when 4 white men approached him in a predominantly
> Black neighborhood.....
>
> He thought they were who???
>
> He probibly thought they were imigration since he was an illegal immigrant and
> tried to flee. And Diallo, being an illegal pedaler, knew what the cops
> looked like. He could likely spot them from a block away and could quickly packup
> his merchandise and excape the cops.
>
> This is no doubt the learned "skill" that he applied here, and got himself shot
> in the process.
>
> Ruben
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Ruben Safir <75762...@CompuServe.COM> wrote in article
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>
> Cops have a legal RIGHT to fire their weapons.
An obligation, perhaps, in very tightly defined situations...doesn't
qualify as a right, though.
Ask ANY cop.
RLH
ru...@wynn.com
Tell us the truth Moon-
You change the facts to fit your needs all the time - isn't that right?
Boy - funny thing happened today....
They seemed to probibly caught that rapest today in Soundview.
What a coinincidence - it's the same area Diallo was mistakening shot after
he ran from the cops, into the vestible and then pulled something from his
pocket when being told not to move.
Ruben
In article <370BCA...@erols.com>,
moo...@erols.com wrote:
> Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > Diallo was lingering on the street and fit a general discription of a
> > serial rapest.
>
> He was in the vestible of the building in which he LIVED.
>
> > THAT IS CAUSE to stop him.
>
> Nope.
>
> > That is all the cause that is needed.
>
> Being black was all the cops needed.
>
> Mike
>
> moo...@erols.com
>
> "Hope? There's always hope, Mr. Farnsworth" - D.B.
>
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ru...@wynn.com wrote :
>
>WRONG WRONG WRONG
>
>Tell us the truth Moon-
>
>You change the facts to fit your needs all the time - isn't that right?
>
>Boy - funny thing happened today....
>
>They seemed to probibly caught that rapest today in Soundview.
>
>What a coinincidence - it's the same area Diallo was mistakening shot after
>he ran from the cops, into the vestible and then pulled something from his
>pocket when being told not to move.
Actually, they are about a mile apart, which is not a small distance in
a city.
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Alex
> What a coinincidence - it's the same area Diallo was mistakening shot
> after he ran from the cops, into the vestible and then pulled
> something from his pocket when being told not to move.
Is that the latest story being told?
Jerry Evans
"If your house is been broken into don't call the police".
That is what the police said and Quote.
The cop said, "don't call the police department, call your Insurance
Company."
The copper said I had been watching too much TV.
They will never find the suspect, better yet there is not suspect, you
didn't see anyone did you?
Meanning I didn't see anyone so there is no suspect(s).
"But, don't I need a police report for the Insurance Company?" I asked the
copper?
"What did you loose," the copper asked?
Seeing I was getting no where I left it alone.
As far as getting a copper Jonny on the spot I guess we need Dunkin Donuts
on hand!
Good luck,
Jerry
Moonman Mike
>
> WRONG WRONG WRONG
>
> Tell us the truth Moon-
>
> You change the facts to fit your needs all the time - isn't that right?
>
I said "He (Diallo) was in the vestible of the building in which he
LIVED."
That, is a fact.
Bart Lidofsky
: Steve wrote:
: >
: > Here's an idea for you cop haters
: >
:
: Here's an idea for Der Kommandant.
:
: Follow (at least some of ) the recommendations of the panel you set up
: to explore corruption, abuse and criminal activity in the NYPD.
A good concept; even the pro-police members of the panel were
annoyed at the brushing aside of the recommendations.
As far as the politeness rules go, I have an idea of something far
superior to the "reference card": Watch a few episodes of Dragnet. As flat
as Jack Webb was, he showed how to be polite and authoratative at the same
time.
Bart Lidofsky
: Hey Steve, to you post =
: "If your house is been broken into don't call the police".
: That is what the police said and Quote.
: The cop said, "don't call the police department, call your Insurance
: Company."
As there are far more burglaries than there are police to handle
them, the police use a policy based on the value of what was stolen. In
general, they will not investigate if it's less than about $10,000.
Exceptions include if a gun was used, if the victim was well-connected, or
if the crime generated a lot of publicity. In 1983, I had a computer
system stolen (worth about $4,000), with fingerprints all over the place;
the cops refused to take them.
Bart Lidofsky
Robin L. Hill
Bart Lidofsky <ba...@escape.com> wrote in article
<cHqQ2.8005$Jc7.4...@news2.giganews.com>...
> As far as the politeness rules go, I have an idea of something far
> superior to the "reference card": Watch a few episodes of Dragnet. As
flat
> as Jack Webb was, he showed how to be polite and authoratative at the
same
> time.
Things were much different then. Notice he never has a bunch of loudmouth
idiots with no upbringing screaming in his face.
RLH
Obwon
Lidofsky) wrote:
>
> As there are far more burglaries than there are police to handle
>them, the police use a policy based on the value of what was stolen. In
>general, they will not investigate if it's less than about $10,000.
>Exceptions include if a gun was used, if the victim was well-connected, or
>if the crime generated a lot of publicity. In 1983, I had a computer
>system stolen (worth about $4,000), with fingerprints all over the place;
>the cops refused to take them.
>
> Bart Lidofsky
>
Hmmm.... you should have taken a page out of your own book and
claimed that there were important defense dept. documents on the
hard drive! True or false? Well all defense department
documents aren't secret, but they are all considered important!
Many defense dept. docs. that have already been released have had
parts of them reclassified (wonder what good that does? Well,
the enemy doesn't know which parts of already public documents
have been reclassified so it kind of keeps them stupified, no
wonder we won the cold war! The Poor Russians couldn't make
heads nor tails of what we were doing even when they found out!
:-)
Obwon
- OFR -
>
> On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:16:02 GMT, ba...@escape.com (Bart
> Lidofsky) wrote:
>
> >
> > As there are far more burglaries than there are police to handle
> >them, the police use a policy based on the value of what was stolen. In
> >general, they will not investigate if it's less than about $10,000.
> >Exceptions include if a gun was used, if the victim was well-connected, or
> >if the crime generated a lot of publicity. In 1983, I had a computer
> >system stolen (worth about $4,000), with fingerprints all over the place;
> >the cops refused to take them.
There are two kinds of police work.
Directed and autonomous. The cops hate taking calls.
They love to hunt. When a cop hunts, he is the boss.
He is the man.
When a cop responds to a call for help from a citizen, they
are annoyed and uncooperative. You disturbed them from revenue
generation for more cops and more weapons and more powers to
hunt with. You demand they help you. They arrive and look for
reasons to fuck with you, to teach you not to call again.
The cops would get an unlisted number if we let them.
There is a giant excess of police. They justify their existence
through revenue generation for their masters, the politicians.
> > Bart Lidofsky
Bart Lidofsky
: On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:16:02 GMT, ba...@escape.com (Bart
: Lidofsky) wrote:
:
: >
: > As there are far more burglaries than there are police to handle
: >them, the police use a policy based on the value of what was stolen. In
: >general, they will not investigate if it's less than about $10,000.
: >Exceptions include if a gun was used, if the victim was well-connected, or
: >if the crime generated a lot of publicity. In 1983, I had a computer
: >system stolen (worth about $4,000), with fingerprints all over the place;
: >the cops refused to take them.
: > Bart Lidofsky
: >
: Hmmm.... you should have taken a page out of your own book and
: claimed that there were important defense dept. documents on the
: hard drive! True or false? Well all defense department
Note the year: 1983. There was no such thing as a $4000 computer
system with a hard drive back then.
Bart Lidofsky
Bart Lidofsky
: On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:31:27 GMT, ba...@escape.com (Bart Lidofsky)
: wrote:
:
: another instance of you talking out of your ass, the original IBM XT
: came out around then with a 10 meg HD it retailed for over 4 grand
You said it was over 4 grand. So, in other words, you are saying
that I am right. So what's your' problem?
Bart Lidofsky