NYC's "NIGHT REGULATIONS" ticket SCAM
Freedom Fighter
Signs are posted in place of the usual alternate-side parking regulations
signs, usually in more out-of-the-way, non-resential areas where people that
work night shifts or attend local social clubs and bars park.
The signs say something like: NIGHT REGULATIONS - no parking Mon., Wed.,
Sat. 12 to 2AM.
Many people will park on say a Friday night, and as Friday is not mentioned
on the sign, they believe there is no ticket risk.
SURPRISE! At precisely 12 midnight, when it becomes 12AM SATURDAY, the
police swoop down and start issuing tickets! I have actually witnessed this
on several occasions - they get there as soon as the deceptive rule goes
into effect.
Clearly this is a deceptive practice, and clearly such regulations are not
intended for streetcleaning purposes but just to generate income for the
city through parking tickets!
THE TIME HAS COME TO GET THESE GOVERNMENT THIEVES THE HELL OFF OF OUR BACKS!
dogg...@yahoo.com
> Clearly this is a deceptive practice, and clearly such regulations are not
> intended for streetcleaning purposes but just to generate income for the
> city through parking tickets!
I don't see what's deceptive about these signs. If you can't figure
out the day of the week changes after midnight, then you shouldn't be
driving.
Night regulations is often a way for the city to regulate how late
local businesses stay open.
Phil
Slim
Seems like your opinion.
--
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> > Night regulations is often a way for the city to regulate how late
> > local businesses stay open.
>
> Seems like your opinion.
No, actually this is standard procedure everywhere, urban and rural.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> Signs are posted in place of the usual alternate-side parking regulations
> signs, usually in more out-of-the-way, non-resential areas where people that
> work night shifts or attend local social clubs and bars park.
Has this practice been documented in the news media? I could find no
mention of it.
Freedom Fighter
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On Dec 14, 4:16 pm, "Freedom Fighter" <libe...@once.net> wrote:
> Clearly this is a deceptive practice, and clearly such regulations are not
> intended for streetcleaning purposes but just to generate income for the
> city through parking tickets!
> I don't see what's deceptive about these signs. If you can't figure
out the day of the week changes after midnight, then you shouldn't be
driving.
This is an inexcusable attempt to deceive people for profit. When a private
citizen does that, it's called FRAUD.
> Night regulations is often a way for the city to regulate how late
local businesses stay open.
HOW?
Business have a right to keep whatever hours they wish.
Freedom Fighter
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Neither have I, but I've come to expect that from the CONTROLLED KKKORPORATE
media.
Peter T. Daniels
> <doggl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
What world do you live in?
Maybe you're not bigoted, just dumb. (On both counts.)
Peter T. Daniels
> <hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message
FF don't need no stinkin' documentation!
dogg...@yahoo.com
> <doggl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4312c3b1-2045-4358...@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 14, 4:16 pm, "Freedom Fighter" <libe...@once.net> wrote:
>
> > Clearly this is a deceptive practice, and clearly such regulations are not
> > intended for streetcleaning purposes but just to generate income for the
> > city through parking tickets!
> > I don't see what's deceptive about these signs. If you can't figure
> > out the day of the week changes after midnight, then you shouldn't be
> > driving.
>
> This is an inexcusable attempt to deceive people for profit. When a private
> citizen does that, it's called FRAUD.
While I agree it shouldn't be, what deception is involved? If the
sign says no parking Mon, Wed Sat from 12AM to 2 AM, how could people
be deceived by it? It's obvious when you can't park in those
locations.
How would you word these signs?
>
> > Night regulations is often a way for the city to regulate how late
> > local businesses stay open.
>
> HOW?
> Business have a right to keep whatever hours they wish.
The city isn't telling them to close. It's saying when the streets
have to be empty.
Phil
dogg...@yahoo.com
Ignore Mike. He just likes to argue for the sake of arguing.
On Nov 30, 8:54 pm, Slim <s...@pickins.com> wrote:
> >> The NYC MTA had about a dozen VP's in 1960....now they have over 200.
> > The MTA did not exist in 1960. Further, the MTA has evolved over time
> > since it's creation. What is the published source of these figures?
> While I will look for the source....please read this...
Mike, did you ever find the source for this information? I didn't see
it posted.
Or is this just more of your usual posted bullshit?
Phil
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> > Has this practice been documented in the news media? I could find no
>
> mention of it.
>
> Neither have I, but I've come to expect that from the CONTROLLED KKKORPORATE
> media.
The published literature does not support your claims.
Freedom Fighter
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On Dec 15, 3:04 pm, "Freedom Fighter" <libe...@once.net> wrote:
> <doggl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4312c3b1-2045-4358...@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 14, 4:16 pm, "Freedom Fighter" <libe...@once.net> wrote:
>
> > Clearly this is a deceptive practice, and clearly such regulations are
> > not
> > intended for streetcleaning purposes but just to generate income for the
> > city through parking tickets!
> > I don't see what's deceptive about these signs. If you can't figure
> > out the day of the week changes after midnight, then you shouldn't be
> > driving.
>
> This is an inexcusable attempt to deceive people for profit. When a
> private
> citizen does that, it's called FRAUD.
While I agree it shouldn't be, what deception is involved? If the
sign says no parking Mon, Wed Sat from 12AM to 2 AM, how could people
be deceived by it? It's obvious when you can't park in those
locations.
How would you word these signs?
I would have NO SUCH SIGNS AT ALL.
Alternate side parking rules are SUPPOSEDLY designed to permit necessary
street cleaning. Instead, they are used as a means of bringing in revenue -
at the expense of harassed, exploited citizens. As I said, I've seen the
cops show up to issue tickets as soon as possible where "night regulations"
are in effect, but I've never seen street cleaning done at those hours. And
if they are, the cost, using night shift sanitation workers, is more than
doing it during the usual day hours would be.
> > Night regulations is often a way for the city to regulate how late
> > local businesses stay open.
>
> HOW?
> Business have a right to keep whatever hours they wish.
> The city isn't telling them to close. It's saying when the streets
have to be empty.
OUR streets; OUR needs should come first!
FF
Freedom Fighter
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Please cite specifically where and how.
dogg...@yahoo.com
> How would you word these signs?
>
> I would have NO SUCH SIGNS AT ALL.
Let me rephrase the question: HOW WOULD YOU WORD THESE SIGNS?
They're in plain English and easy to follow.
> Alternate side parking rules are SUPPOSEDLY designed to permit necessary
> street cleaning. Instead, they are used as a means of bringing in revenue -
> at the expense of harassed, exploited citizens. As I said, I've seen the
> cops show up to issue tickets as soon as possible where "night regulations"
> are in effect, but I've never seen street cleaning done at those hours.
And I've seen them do the same as soon as alternative side starts in
my neighborhood. The sweepers aren't behind them.
>And if they are, the cost, using night shift sanitation workers, is more than
> doing it during the usual day hours would be.
Two reasons why it may happen at night:
1. The streets are too busy in the day time for street sweeping.
2. There aren't enough sweepers to clean all the street in the day
time.
> OUR streets; OUR needs should come first!
OUR needs and YOUR needs vary, it seems.
Phil
JimmyG...@mailinator.com
> I would have NO SUCH SIGNS AT ALL.
> As I said, I've seen the
> cops show up to issue tickets as soon as possible where "night regulations"
> are in effect, but I've never seen street cleaning done at those hours. And
> if they are, the cost, using night shift sanitation workers, is more than
> doing it during the usual day hours would be.
...
> OUR streets; OUR needs should come first!
It seems to me that late-night street cleaning is used in areas where
the biggest parking demand is during the workday, like industrial
areas where employees and customers of local businesses park on the
street during the day.
That's not to say that it doesn't occasionally get abused, say, when
politically-connected residents don't want to deal with clubgoers
parking nearby. If you suspect that's the reason for overnight
restrictions in places you've been, I'd be interested to hear where.
And it is indeed an atypical rule -- that's why they have that Night
Regulation plate to call your attention to it. Plenty of other cities
don't bother with the extra warning, and some only post their
overnight restrictions at the city line, or not at all -- it's your
problem to know that the law is secretly on the books.
Jimmy
Slim
Seems like a way of creating cashflow for the city...nothing more.
Slim
With the exception of bars, what other business has its operating hours
regulated by the city?
Surely the vast majority of business owners set their own hours.
Bolwerk
Silly as such laws are, alcohol sale regulations are state-level,
actually, though the police enforce them.
The city traditionally was quite accommodating of late hours, owing to
the third shift factory workers and whatnot (that's possibly why the 4am
closing time exists).
I believe the only businesses that would have regulated operating hours
other than bars are noisy ones in residential neighborhoods. Probably
not much of a concern now, with factories more or a less a thing of the
past outside some industrial zones.
Freedom Fighter
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On Dec 16, 3:35 pm, "Freedom Fighter" <libe...@once.net> wrote:
> How would you word these signs?
>
> I would have NO SUCH SIGNS AT ALL.
Let me rephrase the question: HOW WOULD YOU WORD THESE SIGNS?
--------
I would word them as follows:
"You CAN park here at ALL times EXCEPT [a period of 1 or 2 hours only one
day a week]. This is so that your streets can be cleaned. They are YOUR
streets, not the property of greedy, corrupt officials that make arbitrary
rules to make your life difficult and take your money."
--------
> Alternate side parking rules are SUPPOSEDLY designed to permit necessary
> street cleaning. Instead, they are used as a means of bringing in
> revenue -
> at the expense of harassed, exploited citizens. As I said, I've seen the
> cops show up to issue tickets as soon as possible where "night
> regulations"
> are in effect, but I've never seen street cleaning done at those hours.
And I've seen them do the same as soon as alternative side starts in
my neighborhood. The sweepers aren't behind them.
--------
Yes, it COSTS them money to clean the streets, but they TAKE your money with
those tickets.
--------
>And if they are, the cost, using night shift sanitation workers, is more
>than
> doing it during the usual day hours would be.
Two reasons why it may happen at night:
1. The streets are too busy in the day time for street sweeping.
--------
Not side streets in residential neighborhoods when all the cars are moved
out of the way for cleaning.
--------
2. There aren't enough sweepers to clean all the street in the day
time.
--------
If they can't do the job, they should abolish the alternate side rules that
supposedly exist to enable them to do it.
--------
> OUR streets; OUR needs should come first!
OUR needs and YOUR needs vary, it seems.
And if you own a car and live in the city, just how do your needs differ?
FF
JimmyG...@mailinator.com
I can't tell if you're being facetious, so here's some pictures of
night regulation signs:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/nightregulation/
Jimmy
Peter T. Daniels
> <doggl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:751dbedc-7e67-41b1...@e6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 16, 3:35 pm, "Freedom Fighter" <libe...@once.net> wrote:
>
> > How would you word these signs?
>
> > I would have NO SUCH SIGNS AT ALL.
>
> Let me rephrase the question: HOW WOULD YOU WORD THESE SIGNS?
> --------
> I would word them as follows:
> "You CAN park here at ALL times EXCEPT [a period of 1 or 2 hours only one
> day a week]. This is so that your streets can be cleaned. They are YOUR
> streets, not the property of greedy, corrupt officials that make arbitrary
> rules to make your life difficult and take your money."
> --------
Wouldn't it be nice if FF managed to get an email device that knows
how to quote an earlier posting?
Hey FF, what kind of sticks do you live out in, that once a week is
sufficient street-sweeping?
Slim
Bolly, what you belive is not in question.
JimmyG...@mailinator.com
My city has a greater population density than the Bronx(*), and within
2% of Jersey City's, and we get by just fine with street sweeping once
a month.
Jimmy
* Of course we don't have Van Cortland or Pelham Bay Park pulling down
the average density, but we don't have Co-op City either.
Bolwerk
>> I believe the only businesses that would have regulated operating
>> hours other than bars are noisy ones in residential neighborhoods.
>> Probably not much of a concern now, with factories more or a less a
>> thing of the past outside some industrial zones.
>
> Bolly, what you belive is not in question.
Stick up your ass this morning? Or am I wrong about something?
dogg...@yahoo.com
> Let me rephrase the question: HOW WOULD YOU WORD THESE SIGNS?
> --------
> I would word them as follows:
> "You CAN park here at ALL times EXCEPT [a period of 1 or 2 hours only one
> day a week]. This is so that your streets can be cleaned. They are YOUR
> streets, not the property of greedy, corrupt officials that make arbitrary
> rules to make your life difficult and take your money."
See? THat was easy, wasn't it?
Of course, you're assuming that the streets need to be cleaned one day
a week.
You're also assuming that the DoT can fit your anarchistic bullshit on
a metal sign that's not bigger than 1 square foot.
> 2. There aren't enough sweepers to clean all the street in the day
> time.
> --------
> If they can't do the job, they should abolish the alternate side rules that
> supposedly exist to enable them to do it.
That's why they do them at night. That's why Con Ed trucks, and
Verizon trucks are seen at night. The Post Office doesn't shut down
at night, either. Things need to be done 24/7
> > OUR streets; OUR needs should come first!
>
> OUR needs and YOUR needs vary, it seems.
>
> And if you own a car and live in the city, just how do your needs differ?
I do, to both things there. In my neighborhood, alternative side
applies four days out of the week. The fact that I live a stone's
throw from TWO hospitals, doesn't make parking for me any easier.
Phil
dogg...@yahoo.com
> My city has a greater population density than the Bronx(*), and within
> 2% of Jersey City's, and we get by just fine with street sweeping once
> a month.
Different areas of the Bronx require more cleaning than others. I'm
sure the same can be said where you live.
Phil
Slim
Bolly, you are never wrong.
Peter T. Daniels
> > On Dec 17, 3:54 pm, "Freedom Fighter" <libe...@once.net> wrote:
> > > <doggl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:751dbedc-7e67-41b1...@e6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Dec 16, 3:35 pm, "Freedom Fighter" <libe...@once.net> wrote:
> > > > How would you word these signs?
>
> > > > I would have NO SUCH SIGNS AT ALL.
>
> > > Let me rephrase the question: HOW WOULD YOU WORD THESE SIGNS?
> > > --------
> > > I would word them as follows:
> > > "You CAN park here at ALL times EXCEPT [a period of 1 or 2 hours only one
> > > day a week]. This is so that your streets can be cleaned. They are YOUR
> > > streets, not the property of greedy, corrupt officials that make arbitrary
> > > rules to make your life difficult and take your money."
> > > --------
>
> > Wouldn't it be nice if FF managed to get an email device that knows
> > how to quote an earlier posting?
>
> > Hey FF, what kind of sticks do you live out in, that once a week is
> > sufficient street-sweeping?
>
> My city has a greater population density than the Bronx(*), and within
> 2% of Jersey City's, and we get by just fine with street sweeping once
> a month.
Do tell us where this filthy place is, so we can avoid it.
> * Of course we don't have Van Cortland or Pelham Bay Park pulling down
> the average density, but we don't have Co-op City either.-
JimmyG...@mailinator.com
> > My city has a greater population density than the Bronx(*), and within
> > 2% of Jersey City's, and we get by just fine with street sweeping once
> > a month.
>
> Do tell us where this filthy place is, so we can avoid it.
It's not at all filthy. And your hostility is unwarranted.
Jimmy
Peter T. Daniels
It's not physically possible to keep a street clean by sweeping it
once a month. Even if there were no litter at all, there are leaves,
twigs, branches, and animal waste that get swept or washed into it.