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Cop Charged in Quadruple Killing
Mistress, Friend, Two Children Stabbed to Death

July 7, 2000

By Seamus McGraw

HINESVILLE, Ga. (APBnews.com) -- Terrified, the two little children
stood in
the hallway of their blood-splattered three-bedroom apartment, trying
to
comprehend the awful carnage that surrounded them.

On the floor lay the body of their mother, Ponda Davis, police said. A
few
feet away was the body of their mother's best friend, Lisa Bymon, and
just
beyond that were the lifeless bodies of their playmates, Bymon's two
children, 6-year-old Juwan and 7-year-old Desiree.

The two horrified children were the only survivors of what authorities
are now
calling one of the most brutal multiple homicides in Georgia history, a
crime
that is all the more horrific because, authorities say, the alleged
killer is also a
police officer.

Calvin Williams, a well-respected member of the Ludowici Police
Department,
was being held without bail, charged with four counts of murder, said
Hinesville police Maj. Thomas Cribbs.

A stormy relationship

Authorities arrested the four-year veteran officer Thursday at his home
in
Hinesville, Cribbs said. The accused killer, married with children of
his own,
offered no resistance, he said. But Williams also offered no
explanation for
the Friday night killings last week of Bymon, his longtime mistress,
her two
children from a previous relationship, and her best friend, Cribbs
said.

Authorities believe, however, that the killings were the final chapter
in a
stormy, years-long relationship between the officer and the woman who
had
once accused him of sexually assaulting her in a jealous rage.

"They had been involved for several years," Cribbs said. And there had
been evidence of prior abuse. In March 1999, Bymon, a former volunteer
at a
shelter for abused women, told police that Williams had sexually
assaulted
her after he accused her of having sex with another man, Cribbs said.

Police investigated Bymon's allegations, but when it came time for the
woman to formally swear out a complaint against Williams, she backed
down, Cribbs said. Bymon reportedly told friends that she didn't want
to
jeopardize her boyfriend's job.

Surviving children back bags, flee

That, Cribbs said, was the last time police got involved in the
couple's affairs,
at least until Saturday morning, when a police officer spotted Davis'
two
young children wandering the streets near their apartment in a poor
section of
Hinesville, populated almost exclusively by single mothers and senior
citizens.

The children, obviously terrified, told police that they had awakened
early that
morning and stepped out of their bedroom to find that everyone in the
house
had been stabbed to death, Cribbs said. The children, whose names are
being withheld, told police they didn't know what else to do, so they
packed
a bag with a few clothes, fled through a bedroom window and went
searching for a relative, someone they could tell their story to and
turn to for
help.

Police went to the house. The children's account was horrifyingly
accurate.

Murderous rampage

And from pieces of evidence collected from the blood-soaked apartment,
authorities now believe they have a picture of what happened in that
apartment.

Sometime shortly after 11 p.m. Friday, Bymon and her two children
arrived at
Davis' apartment. It is not clear why they had left their own place on
the
other side of town, if Bymon had gone there to seek refuge from
Williams, he
said.

But Bymon had only been there a short time when Williams showed up.

As Davis' two young children slept, Williams allegedly went on a
murderous
rampage, authorities said. He allegedly stabbed his mistress to death,
killed
her two young children and stabbed Davis repeatedly, authorities said.

Authorities say they have not yet determined whether a knife left at
the scene
was the murder weapon.

"We're waiting for lab tests on several pieces of evidence taken from
the
scene," Cribbs said.

In the meantime, Williams remains behind bars, and the two young
survivors
are staying with Davis' mother.

"A detective saw them yesterday," Cribbs said, a note of concern
breaking
through the officer's cultivated detachment. "They seem to be all
right."
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iFilly

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In article <396993...@hotmail.com>,

ofr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Cop Charged in Quadruple Killing
> Mistress, Friend, Two Children Stabbed to Death

That's one "bad cop" and thousands of Good officers,
that tells me you are attempting to spread hate
towards police officers senor ofr555.

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M. Simon

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:19:53 GMT, iFilly <j77...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>In article <396993...@hotmail.com>,
> ofr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Cop Charged in Quadruple Killing
>> Mistress, Friend, Two Children Stabbed to Death
>
> That's one "bad cop" and thousands of Good officers,
>that tells me you are attempting to spread hate
>towards police officers senor ofr555.

Do this simple test with your fellow citizen:

The scenario.

You are driving down the road obeying all the laws and rules of the
road. You notice a police car in your rear view mirror.

Do you feel safer?

========================

Try this out of uniform and without identifying yourself as an
officer.

========================

I contend the police are doing it to themselves. They are seen as
predators by very many citizens. Sharks. Looking for fresh meat.

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The Pervert

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M. Simon <msi...@xta.com> wrote

>
> Do this simple test with your fellow citizen:
>
> The scenario.
>
> You are driving down the road obeying all the laws and rules of the
> road. You notice a police car in your rear view mirror.
>
> Do you feel safer?

Yes. Without doubt. But then again, I obey the law and, thus, have no
reason to fear cops.

Michael Zarlenga

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In alt.law-enforcement The Pervert <perv...@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote:
:> You are driving down the road obeying all the laws and rules of the

:> road. You notice a police car in your rear view mirror.
:> Do you feel safer?

: Yes. Without doubt. But then again, I obey the law and, thus, have no
: reason to fear cops.

Over the years, many people who were obeying the law, who thought
they had nothing to fear got framed, beaten, raped with a plunger
or killed.

--
-- Mike Zarlenga

iFilly

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In article <396b1068...@news.xta.com>,

msi...@xta.com (M. Simon) wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:19:53 GMT, iFilly <j77...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <396993...@hotmail.com>,
> > ofr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> Cop Charged in Quadruple Killing
> >> Mistress, Friend, Two Children Stabbed to Death
> >
> > That's one "bad cop" and thousands of Good officers,
> >that tells me you are attempting to spread hate
> >towards police officers senor ofr555.
>
> Do this simple test with your fellow citizen:
>
> The scenario.
>
> You are driving down the road obeying all the laws and rules of the
> road. You notice a police car in your rear view mirror.
>
> Do you feel safer?

Truthfully; i dread the officer behind me, because
i'm thinking, did i forget to come to a full stop? Did
i go over the yellow line a little? Am i going a little
over the speed limit, or maybe too slow?
When the officer passes me, yes i do feel a sign
of relief. This being said, i am greatful for the
officer and do feel a lot safer.


>
> Try this out of uniform and without identifying yourself as an
> officer.

> I contend the police are doing it to themselves. They are seen as
> predators by very many citizens. Sharks. Looking for fresh meat.

If a traffic officer is out all day and goes back
to the station with a low amount of tickets, they
could be suspect of going to the movies or something.
I think they are out there doing what they should be
doing, ticketing violators and keeping the law.

http://www.neta.com/~1stbooks/ The Americans

>
> M. Simon Space-Time Productions http://www.spacetimepro.com

Steve

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"Michael Zarlenga" <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote in message
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> In alt.law-enforcement The Pervert <perv...@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote:
> :> You are driving down the road obeying all the laws and rules of the

> :> road. You notice a police car in your rear view mirror.
> :> Do you feel safer?
>
> : Yes. Without doubt. But then again, I obey the law and, thus, have no
> : reason to fear cops.
>
> Over the years, many people who were obeying the law, who thought
> they had nothing to fear got framed, beaten, raped with a plunger
> or killed.

Many people? I guess when you post mostly for impact and less for truth
that's what we should expect?

Steve

Michael Zarlenga

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In alt.law-enforcement Steve <fur...@cybertours.com> wrote:
:> :> You are driving down the road obeying all the laws and rules of the
:> :> road. You notice a police car in your rear view mirror.
:> :> Do you feel safer?

:> : Yes. Without doubt. But then again, I obey the law and, thus, have no
:> : reason to fear cops.

:> Over the years, many people who were obeying the law, who thought
:> they had nothing to fear got framed, beaten, raped with a plunger
:> or killed.

: Many people? I guess when you post mostly for impact and less for truth
: that's what we should expect?

Yes, Steve many people. Not all, not most, but many.

If you think there's some misinformation or mistruth in my
post, perhaps you could point it out to me?

--
-- Mike Zarlenga

The Pervert

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<cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message news:8kf0fe$3bu$0...@pita.alt.net...
> In nyc.general The Pervert <perv...@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote:
> #
> # M. Simon <msi...@xta.com> wrote
> # >
> # > Do this simple test with your fellow citizen:
> # >
> # > The scenario.
> # >
> # > You are driving down the road obeying all the laws and rules of the
> # > road. You notice a police car in your rear view mirror.
> # >
> # > Do you feel safer?
> #
> # Yes. Without doubt. But then again, I obey the law and, thus, have
no
> # reason to fear cops.
>
> And you're not black.

The question was asked and answered. Deal with it. But I'll re-state, "I


obey the law and, thus, have no reason to fear cops."

Other side of the coin for you to consider. I have been robbed at
knifepoint once, at gunpoint once, my mother mugged, and my nephew subjetced
to an armed (gun) home invasion robbery, all four times by blacks. Last
month my car was hit by a black woman who is now trying to avoid her
responsibility in the matter. No member of my family has been assaulted or
criminally victimized by a white perpetrator. Statistically blacks comprise
a disproportionately higher number of those in the penal system, i.e.,
incarcereated, on probation or parole. Should I, based on this history, pro
forma fear and distrust blacks?

Answer: I don't.

The Pervert

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iFilly <j77...@my-deja.com> wrote

> >
> > Do this simple test with your fellow citizen:
> >
> > The scenario.

> >
> > You are driving down the road obeying all the laws and rules of the
> > road. You notice a police car in your rear view mirror.
> >
> > Do you feel safer?
>
> Truthfully; i dread the officer behind me, because
> i'm thinking, did i forget to come to a full stop? Did
> i go over the yellow line a little? Am i going a little
> over the speed limit, or maybe too slow?
> When the officer passes me, yes i do feel a sign
> of relief. This being said, i am greatful for the
> officer and do feel a lot safer.
> >
> > Try this out of uniform and without identifying yourself as an
> > officer.
> > I contend the police are doing it to themselves. They are seen as
> > predators by very many citizens. Sharks. Looking for fresh meat.
>
> If a traffic officer is out all day and goes back
> to the station with a low amount of tickets, they
> could be suspect of going to the movies or something.
> I think they are out there doing what they should be
> doing, ticketing violators and keeping the law.


Bravo!

I tend to disagree with you on issues (no big deal, but interesting side
note) but I heartily applaud (for whatever its worth) your well-considered
answer.

The Pervert

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Michael Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote in message
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> In alt.law-enforcement The Pervert <perv...@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote:
> :> You are driving down the road obeying all the laws and rules of the

> :> road. You notice a police car in your rear view mirror.
> :> Do you feel safer?
>
> : Yes. Without doubt. But then again, I obey the law and, thus, have no

> : reason to fear cops.
>
> Over the years, many people who were obeying the law, who thought
> they had nothing to fear got framed, beaten, raped with a plunger
> or killed.
>
> --
> -- Mike Zarlenga

Your opinion is suspect in that youi actively seek out instances to slam the
police. Certainly there have been, and will likely be in the future, some
number of abuses. I would venture to guess (which is likely at least as
reliable a guess as your own) that most people who have been 'victimized' by
the police have been guilty of a whole host of other criminal offenses.
That doesn't make such instances right, but it doesn't make the victims out
to be completely innocent, either.

Steve

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"Michael Zarlenga" <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote in message
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> In alt.law-enforcement Steve <fur...@cybertours.com> wrote:
> :> :> You are driving down the road obeying all the laws and rules of the
> :> :> road. You notice a police car in your rear view mirror.
> :> :> Do you feel safer?
>
> :> : Yes. Without doubt. But then again, I obey the law and, thus, have
no
> :> : reason to fear cops.
>
> :> Over the years, many people who were obeying the law, who thought
> :> they had nothing to fear got framed, beaten, raped with a plunger
> :> or killed.
>
> : Many people? I guess when you post mostly for impact and less for truth
> : that's what we should expect?
>
> Yes, Steve many people. Not all, not most, but many.
>
> If you think there's some misinformation or mistruth in my
> post, perhaps you could point it out to me?

Sure. When I ponder plunger raping I can think of only one case? How about
you?

Steve

Michael Zarlenga

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In alt.law-enforcement Steve <fur...@cybertours.com> wrote:
:> :> Over the years, many people who were obeying the law, who thought

:> :> they had nothing to fear got framed, beaten, raped with a plunger
:> :> or killed.

:> : Many people? I guess when you post mostly for impact and less for truth
:> : that's what we should expect?

:> Yes, Steve many people. Not all, not most, but many.
:> If you think there's some misinformation or mistruth in my
:> post, perhaps you could point it out to me?

: Sure. When I ponder plunger raping I can think of only one case? How about
: you?

I believe that if you parse the sentence correctly (note
the use of "or," not "and") you will see that there is no
implication of multiple plunger rapes.

--
-- Mike Zarlenga

iFilly

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In article <k_Ja5.1105$lS2....@typhoon.we.rr.com>,

"The Pervert" <perv...@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> iFilly <j77...@my-deja.com> wrote
> > >
> > > Do this simple test with your fellow citizen:
> > >
> > > The scenario.
> > >
> > > You are driving down the road obeying all the laws and rules of
the
> > > road. You notice a police car in your rear view mirror.
> > >
> > > Do you feel safer?
> >
> > Truthfully; i dread the officer behind me, because
> > i'm thinking, did i forget to come to a full stop? Did
> > i go over the yellow line a little? Am i going a little
> > over the speed limit, or maybe too slow?
> > When the officer passes me, yes i do feel a sign
> > of relief. This being said, i am greatful for the
> > officer and do feel a lot safer.
> > >
> > > Try this out of uniform and without identifying yourself as an
> > > officer.
> > > I contend the police are doing it to themselves. They are seen as
> > > predators by very many citizens. Sharks. Looking for fresh meat.
> >
> > If a traffic officer is out all day and goes back
> > to the station with a low amount of tickets, they
> > could be suspect of going to the movies or something.
> > I think they are out there doing what they should be
> > doing, ticketing violators and keeping the law.
>
> Bravo!
>
> I tend to disagree with you on issues (no big deal, but interesting
side
> note) but I heartily applaud (for whatever its worth) your
> well-considered answer.

It's worth alot, thanks.
http://www.neta.com/~1stbooks/ The Americans

M. Simon

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On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:48:48 GMT, "The Pervert"
<perv...@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>iFilly <j77...@my-deja.com> wrote
>> >
>> > Do this simple test with your fellow citizen:
>> >
>> > The scenario.
>> >
>> > You are driving down the road obeying all the laws and rules of the
>> > road. You notice a police car in your rear view mirror.
>> >
>> > Do you feel safer?
>>
>> Truthfully; i dread the officer behind me, because
>> i'm thinking, did i forget to come to a full stop? Did
>> i go over the yellow line a little? Am i going a little
>> over the speed limit, or maybe too slow?
>> When the officer passes me, yes i do feel a sign
>> of relief. This being said, i am greatful for the
>> officer and do feel a lot safer.
>> >
>> > Try this out of uniform and without identifying yourself as an
>> > officer.
>> > I contend the police are doing it to themselves. They are seen as
>> > predators by very many citizens. Sharks. Looking for fresh meat.
>>
>> If a traffic officer is out all day and goes back
>> to the station with a low amount of tickets, they
>> could be suspect of going to the movies or something.
>> I think they are out there doing what they should be
>> doing, ticketing violators and keeping the law.
>
>
>Bravo!

The law makes you a roving random collection agent for whatever
government you work for.

You are expected to raise a certain amount of revenue. It is figured
in to the government you report too's budget.

A tax collector's job is a lonely one no doubt.

No one feels safe with a well marked thief looking to pounce behind
them. No one is safe because any pretext can be used for a stop and
extract.

But the law is the law. Heil Hitler.


M. Simon Space-Time Productions http://www.spacetimepro.com

ryan

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"M. Simon" wrote:

> The law makes you a roving random collection agent for whatever
> government you work for.
>
> You are expected to raise a certain amount of revenue. It is figured
> in to the government you report too's budget.
>
> A tax collector's job is a lonely one no doubt.
>
> No one feels safe with a well marked thief looking to pounce behind
> them. No one is safe because any pretext can be used for a stop and
> extract.
>
> But the law is the law. Heil Hitler.

What can you expect when the American Reich is the ruling body of the
country? It should be Heil Reno


GoodWitch1

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Ah yes,the old'they must be guilty of something'excuse.Kinda like
giving a kid a spanking,finding out they didn't do it and saying'that's
for the times you deserved one and didn't get it'.And you wonder why
people fear and avoid the police?You are right about one thing;every
man,woman and child in this country breaks some law every day of their
life.Why don't we just declare martial law and effectivly arrest the
whole country?Show those no good criminals to respect the law!If they
can't obey on their own,the govt.will MAKE them obey.Of course,LEOs &
on up the food chain to the top would be exempt.After all,they are the
good guys!


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Steve

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"GoodWitch1" <earthsing...@themail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Ah yes,the old'they must be guilty of something'excuse.

It didn't really look like an excuse, more like a weak justification attempt
(complete with disclaimer).

Steve

Steve

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"Michael Zarlenga" <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote in message
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If I parse the sentence correctly I'll see that the word MANY precedes OR
and there most certainly is an implication, although vague, of multiple
instances. In fact, had you omitted the single instance of plunger sodomy in
your otherwise broad and non-specific comment it would have been difficult
to object at all. I too can recall national news stories concerning
innocents apparently killed in error by police and I'm sure that both
framings and beatings must occur. The ONLY reason to include plunger raping
in your statement would seem to be for emotional impact?

Steve

The Pervert

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M. Simon <msi...@xta.com> wrote in message
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> The law makes you a roving random collection agent for whatever
> government you work for.
>
> You are expected to raise a certain amount of revenue. It is figured
> in to the government you report too's budget.
>
> A tax collector's job is a lonely one no doubt.
>
> No one feels safe with a well marked thief looking to pounce behind
> them. No one is safe because any pretext can be used for a stop and
> extract.
>
> But the law is the law. Heil Hitler.


Oh, c'mon! Stop sounding so melodramatic! I've been stopped a few times
late at night when the cops thought I may have been drinking. I wasn't (I
never drink and drive) but I didn't signal a turn, straddled a lane or
something. They checked to see if I was impaired, explained why I was
stopped and let me go without a citation.

Sure, traffic ticket revenue is factored into a budget. No huge conspiracy
there. My experience with cops is that they've always been professional and
fair. Maybe it's because I don't give them a bunch of unnecessary crap for
doing their job.

My (perhaps) naive notion is that they overwhelmingly more often than not,
do their job to protect and serve. I, for one, am grateful.


Michael Zarlenga

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In alt.law-enforcement Steve <fur...@cybertours.com> wrote:
:> :> Yes, Steve many people. Not all, not most, but many.

:> :> If you think there's some misinformation or mistruth in my
:> :> post, perhaps you could point it out to me?
:>
:> : Sure. When I ponder plunger raping I can think of only one case? How
: about
:> : you?
:>
:> I believe that if you parse the sentence correctly (note
:> the use of "or," not "and") you will see that there is no
:> implication of multiple plunger rapes.

: If I parse the sentence correctly I'll see that the word MANY precedes OR
: and there most certainly is an implication, although vague, of multiple
: instances. In fact, had you omitted the single instance of plunger sodomy in
: your otherwise broad and non-specific comment it would have been difficult
: to object at all. I too can recall national news stories concerning
: innocents apparently killed in error by police and I'm sure that both
: framings and beatings must occur. The ONLY reason to include plunger raping
: in your statement would seem to be for emotional impact?

If I remove the plunger rape would you agree with the
remainder?

--
-- Mike Zarlenga

M. Simon

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:17:16 GMT, "The Pervert"
<perv...@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote:

I never have any trouble with the police either.

But this is not true of my black and brown brothers.

The Pervert

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> >My experience with cops is that they've always been professional and
> >fair. Maybe it's because I don't give them a bunch of unnecessary crap
for
> >doing their job.
>
> I never have any trouble with the police either.
>
> But this is not true of my black and brown brothers.


NOW who is doing the racial profiling, hmmm?

Steve

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"Michael Zarlenga" <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote in message
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> If I remove the plunger rape would you agree with the
> remainder?

Isn't that what I just said? OK, maybe I was a little evasive? I agree that
there have been innocent people - people who committed no crime and posed no
threat yet have been harmed (even killed) by police. I think the numbers of
such incidents are much lower than you'd suggest and I think you know it.

Steve

High Time

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Steve <fur...@cybertours.com> wrote in message
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>
> Sure. When I ponder plunger raping I can think of only one case? How about
> you?

Moron.

High Time

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If you parse or parsley or partiplicate your brain correctly you will notice
Steve backed into an argumentative corner while his only defense is to
attack the sentence rather than the obvious meaning of it. Moron.


Steve <fur...@cybertours.com> wrote in message

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>
> "Michael Zarlenga" <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote in message

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> > In alt.law-enforcement Steve <fur...@cybertours.com> wrote:

> > :> :> Over the years, many people who were obeying the law, who thought
> > :> :> they had nothing to fear got framed, beaten, raped with a plunger
> > :> :> or killed.
> >
> > :> : Many people? I guess when you post mostly for impact and less for
> truth
> > :> : that's what we should expect?
> >

> > :> Yes, Steve many people. Not all, not most, but many.
> > :> If you think there's some misinformation or mistruth in my
> > :> post, perhaps you could point it out to me?
> >

> > : Sure. When I ponder plunger raping I can think of only one case? How
> about
> > : you?
> >


> > I believe that if you parse the sentence correctly (note
> > the use of "or," not "and") you will see that there is no
> > implication of multiple plunger rapes.
>
> If I parse the sentence correctly I'll see that the word MANY precedes OR
> and there most certainly is an implication, although vague, of multiple
> instances. In fact, had you omitted the single instance of plunger sodomy
in
> your otherwise broad and non-specific comment it would have been difficult
> to object at all. I too can recall national news stories concerning
> innocents apparently killed in error by police and I'm sure that both
> framings and beatings must occur. The ONLY reason to include plunger
raping
> in your statement would seem to be for emotional impact?
>

> Steve
>
>

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Steve <fur...@cybertours.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael Zarlenga" <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote in message
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> > If I remove the plunger rape would you agree with the
> > remainder?
>
> Isn't that what I just said? OK, maybe I was a little evasive? I agree
that
> there have been innocent people - people who committed no crime and posed
no
> threat yet have been harmed (even killed) by police. I think the numbers
of
> such incidents are much lower than you'd suggest and I think you know it.

I don't think any particular numbers are being suggested. It is true that a
great many people have been victimized by the police. Now you are acting as
if it is the public's responsibility to not fear cops rather than the cops'
responsibility to earn the respect of the public.

High Time

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> If a traffic officer is out all day and goes back
> to the station with a low amount of tickets, they
> could be suspect of going to the movies or something.
> I think they are out there doing what they should be
> doing, ticketing violators and keeping the law.


If you were black this would be a totally different situation.

High Time

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The Pervert <perv...@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Sure, traffic ticket revenue is factored into a budget. No huge
conspiracy
> there. My experience with cops is that they've always been professional
and
> fair.

Next time, try that in blackface :)

Steve

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"High Time" <person...@c4.com> wrote in message
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> I don't think any particular numbers are being suggested. It is true that
a
> great many people have been victimized by the police. Now you are acting
as
> if it is the public's responsibility to not fear cops rather than the
cops'
> responsibility to earn the respect of the public.

The word "many" which Mr. Zarlenga originally used does indeed suggest
numbers. Now you come along and add "great many" to the description and
still try to contend that "particular" numbers aren't being suggested? The
fact remains that the public by and large has little reason to fear police
with regard to their potential for being a victim of some misdeed. Yours and
Mike's use of the word "many" notwithstanding, very few will have even the
slightest exposure more serious than a possible traffic ticket.

Steve

Steve

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"High Time" <person...@c4.com> wrote in message
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> If you parse or parsley or partiplicate your brain correctly you will
notice
> Steve backed into an argumentative corner while his only defense is to
> attack the sentence rather than the obvious meaning of it. Moron.

The "obvious meaning" is to suggest greater numbers than actually exist.

Steve

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