Rails hacker looking to move up North (Manchester)

[hats off, gentlemen]

Hi all

I am looking at moving up to Manchester within the next 6 months,
house sale allowing and am needing to find a job.

I'm a relatively experienced Rails developer and Ruby focused sysadmin
(just over 2 years and counting in the Ruby world, although I've been
a *NIX and system admin type for a lot longer) and I'm currently
working for a tech startup (ish) in London who uses Ruby exclusively.

We're agile, although we don't follow a set process, mostly picking
chunks of Scrum, XP and lean/kanban as it fits out work processes. We
retrospect and have daily standups.

Being from a small team (6 full time devs plus 2 pure designers) I'm
used to doing a lot of front end dev as well as back end Railsy stuff.

I'm really just testing the water at the moment, I don't really know
of many places outside the London tech circle and really want to find
out who's around and who's hiring in the near future.

I'm going to be coming up to manchester soon (probably early Nov) so
if you fancy a coffee or a beer give me a heads up.

Apologies for the vagueness, I work with some folks from Burnley area
(who I haven't mentioned anything to yet) and I'm not sure if they're
still on the list ;)

cheers

Matt

[Will Jessop]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:42 PM, hats off, gentlemen
<hatsoffg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all

Hello!

> I'm really just testing the water at the moment, I don't really know
> of many places outside the London tech circle and really want to find
> out who's around and who's hiring in the near future.

Stardotstar may still be hiring,
http://stardotstar.com/company/news/we-want-you-as-a-new-recruit and
On The Beach seem to be continually looking for devs. Other people may
know of other positions.

> I'm going to be coming up to manchester soon (probably early Nov) so
> if you fancy a coffee or a beer give me a heads up.

I'm out of the country for the first 2 weeks of November, but there
will often be people interested in coming out for a beer. You might be
interested in the #nwrug channel on irc.freenode.net if you use IRC.
We have meetings every month on the third Thursday, next is a curry
night:

http://nwrug.org/events/october10/

Do you have a twitter presence?

Will.

[Francis Fish]

OTB do indeed have some spaces to fill.

If you whack me over your CV off list I'll forward it onto Jonathan
Smith, alternatively send it to him yourself
Jonatha...@onthebeach.co.uk (cc'd here)

F

[Lizette Metcalfe]

Hi Matt,

I`m working very closely with On The Beach, so please le me know some
further details so that I can have a word with them directly for you,

Thanks,

Lizette

Hello!

http://nwrug.org/events/october10/

Will.

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[Will Jessop]

Lizette,

Given that OTB hire both via recruiters and also directly maybe you
could outline the benefit someone would have of going through you
rather than direct, other than earning you a commission that is.

Will.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Lizette Metcalfe
<lmet...@genesisassociates.co.uk> wrote:
> I`m working very closely with On The Beach, so please le me know some
> further details so that I can have a word with them directly for you,

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[Jim Neath]

Or you could contact someone who works there directly and cut out the recruiters. There are plenty of people on this list who work at in the beach. I'm sure someone can help you out.

Jim

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[Caius Durling]

On 19 Oct 2010, at 09:34, Lizette Metcalfe wrote:

> I`m working very closely with On The Beach, so please le me know some
> further details so that I can have a word with them directly for you,

As if any potential employee with half a brain would go through someone that will cost the employer *more* to hire them (or cost the same with reduced salary), having been given the option to contact the company directly.

On the other hand, OTB can just rule out anyone from the list that does come through you as not having more than half a brain…

C
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[Rob Hayward]

I know Gez over at Stardotstar is definitely looking for someone, drop him a line: gez.o...@stardotstar.com

Rob Hayward
Freelance Digital Developer
http://www.robhayward.co.uk
07595 453 949

[Caius Durling]

On 18 Oct 2010, at 21:42, hats off, gentlemen wrote:

> I am looking at moving up to Manchester within the next 6 months,
> house sale allowing and am needing to find a job.
>
> I'm a relatively experienced Rails developer and Ruby focused sysadmin
> (just over 2 years and counting in the Ruby world, although I've been
> a *NIX and system admin type for a lot longer) and I'm currently
> working for a tech startup (ish) in London who uses Ruby exclusively.

And as a reply somewhat on-topic, we're always on the look out for good sysadmins or rubyists over at Brightbox. See http://www.brightbox.co.uk/about/jobs for more details. We're based in Leeds, but work from home for the most part. :)

[Lizette Metcalfe]

Cauis, thank you for you email but your tone really isn`t as professional as
some of the other emails that I have received. I have noted your comments
anyway.

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On 19 Oct 2010, at 09:34, Lizette Metcalfe wrote:

> I`m working very closely with On The Beach, so please le me know some
> further details so that I can have a word with them directly for you,

As if any potential employee with half a brain would go through someone that
will cost the employer *more* to hire them (or cost the same with reduced
salary), having been given the option to contact the company directly.

On the other hand, OTB can just rule out anyone from the list that does come

through you as not having more than half a brain.

C
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[Caius Durling]

On 19 Oct 2010, at 11:36, Lizette Metcalfe wrote:

> Cauis, thank you for you email but your tone really isn`t as professional as
> some of the other emails that I have received. I have noted your comments
> anyway.

Thanks for your reply, but your spelling isn't as professional as I'd expect from someone dealing with people all day so I'm not going to note your comments. Sorry! :)

[Rob Hayward]

Lizette, so are you a recruiter? 

[Jim Neath]

She's a recruiter for genesis. 

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[Rob Hayward]

Thought as much, scum bags :)

[Francis Fish]

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rob Hayward <robbh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thought as much, scum bags :)
>

Woah, that's a little harsh. Just trying to make a living like the
rest of us ... chill.

Thanks and regards,

Francis

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[Rob Hayward]

I don't have any respect for recruiters 'hanging out' in channels like this sniping on developer conversations, asking for a CV, deleting the contact details and then forwarding to the client in question take a 25% slice of the salary for the cheek of it.

Yes there are better, legitimate, and more genuine ways to make an honest living from recruitment, this is not one of them.

Sorry to vent :/

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[Will Jessop]

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Francis Fish <franci...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rob Hayward <robbh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thought as much, scum bags :)
>
> Woah, that's a little harsh. Just trying to make a living like the
> rest of us ... chill.

It was a little harsh, but using the "I can make money at it"
justification for doing something is pretty weak, you could use the
same excuse for a number of activities such as "Spammer" or "Bank
Robber". It doesn't make it OK.

Will.

[Sean Handley]

Speaking of spam... *ahem*

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On Tuesday, 19 October 2010 at 12:07, Will Jessop wrote:

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Francis Fish <franci...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rob Hayward wrote:
> Thought as much, scum bags :)

Woah, that's a little harsh. Just trying to make a living like the
rest of us ... chill.

It was a little harsh, but using the "I can make money at it"
justification for doing something is pretty weak, you could use the
same excuse for a number of activities such as "Spammer" or "Bank
Robber". It doesn't make it OK.

Will.

[hats off gentlemen]

cheers Francis

What kind of shop do OTB run? I gather they're a pretty major player and they look like they've got a really interesting product.

I'll definitely give Jonathan a yell in the near future.

Matt

F

[Matthew House]

I take it that they don't have much of a rep around?

Are there any recruiters here people would recommend? I ask as I would prefer not to use them, but as I don't know the area a decent recruiter could be a godsend.

The guys that got me my current position were amazing for instance :)

ta

Matt

[Rob Hayward]

I know of too nice chaps worth speaking too about recruitment in and around Manchester for digital:

mi...@orchard.co.uk

gar...@thelittleblackbookagency.com

[Ian M]

I'd have a think about looking into surround tech scenes in Manchester
too.

There's definitely a lot more recruitment going on in the Java area
for instance.
Groovy on Grails / Seam stuff all seem to be making the platform a
little more competitive again.
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[hats off gentlemen]

List hijacking from the java guy? ;)

In all seriousness I'm not as adverse to the idea as some rails guys I know but I have approaching 0 commercial Java XP and certainly none that's web related so as I don't want to start at the beginning again that may not be the best plan

thanks

Matt

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[Ciaran]

Not really Ian's a Rails developer ;)
-cj.

[Matt Roberts]

Why not learn .NET too ;)

That was a joke ;) I can say that because I am a FT .NET developer.

Matt

:O)

Matt Roberts

[hats off gentlemen]

I did C# for a year and then I ran screaming back to university and the safety of my Linux desktop ;)

that wasn't on Web stuff though and I've always been kind of intreagued as to how Rails-ey .NET MVC is.

M

[Will Jessop]

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:11 PM, hats off gentlemen
<hatsoffg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I did C# for a year and then I ran screaming back to university and the
> safety of my Linux desktop ;)
> that wasn't on Web stuff though and I've always been kind of intreagued as
> to how Rails-ey .NET MVC is.

From the shrieks of pain from one .NET dev I know, not very. I could be wrong :)

Will.

[Ryan Hobson]

Hi Matt, still looking?  Im looking for a Rails guy, based in Barnsley, South Yorkshire just of J37- its an interesting role.

[Matthew Valentine-House]

Jesus. Zombie thread much?

And No.

On 5 January 2015 at 11:51, Ryan Hobson <ryanh...@propertysearchgroup.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Matt, still looking?  Im looking for a Rails guy, based in Barnsley, South Yorkshire just of J37- its an interesting role.

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[Ryan Hobson]

Damn, apologies for the resurrection.

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[robert...@gmail.com]

Hi Ryan,

 

Please contact me. +35020063980

 

Robert

[Ben Aldred]

Haha! Recruiter contacting a recruiter on a very old thread. Made me laugh.

Maybe Robert is looking for a new job?

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[Ian Moss]

Is there a blog post / section on the website about how recruiters can best engage the group? Or get involved with sponsorship etc.

 

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[Lee Hambley]

I think we can just link them to this informative video Ian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

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[Ian Moss]

Well, to be honest, Manchester (and the North West) has seen a large increase in ruby jobs, and this is a good thing.
So, it's likely that more and more recruiting companies and recruiters will want to engage with the community. Also a good thing.
Some will spam. And this is a near perfect example, and others will not spam - WEHAY.

It should be easier for people to find roles, and for companies to recruit. NWRUG can play a part in that, and perhaps even benefit from sponsorship of events as well as helping members find new roles in the region. As well as booze, perhaps we could even afford to bring in speakers from outside the region with more sponsorship. WEHAY.

Obviously, we do things our own way, but this may form some good inspiration for what we could do in this area: http://readme.lrug.org/

Have a great weekend all,
Ian.

 

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I think we can just link them to this informative video Ian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

 

Lee Hambley

http://lee.hambley.name/

+49 (0) 170 298 5667

 

On 13 February 2015 at 10:20, Ian Moss <he...@ianmoss.com> wrote:

Is there a blog post / section on the website about how recruiters can best engage the group? Or get involved with sponsorship etc.

 

 

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[Ryan Hobson]

I agree Ian, its great to see more RoR moving north.  I'm not an agent, but an ex Microsoft developer who jumped to RoR a little while ago and looking to start an onshore team, it comforting to know my new growing skill set will have a place in our locality.  Recruitment without an agent is proving harder than expected (perhaps our locality), I have a lot of contact from agents, but little from developers so perhaps some rules of engagement would have proven useful (if they could be found easily).

[Ben Aldred]

Plans are afoot. In fact Will, Tekin and I were discussing this very thing on Basecamp a few days ago.

Any suggestions on how we can help you would be fantastic. We (organisers) need to know who is hiring, who is looking, who wants to sponsor and who wants to talk.

I've always found that attending the meetups has helped me find work. I've built up relationships with lots of other Rubyists which help for referrals and recommendations. 

Ben

On 13 February 2015 at 10:12, Ryan Hobson <ryanh...@propertysearchgroup.co.uk> wrote:

I agree Ian, its great to see more RoR moving north.  I'm not an agent, but an ex Microsoft developer who jumped to RoR a little while ago and looking to start an onshore team, it comforting to know my new growing skill set will have a place in our locality.  Recruitment without an agent is proving harder than expected (perhaps our locality), I have a lot of contact from agents, but little from developers so perhaps some rules of engagement would have proven useful (if they could be found easily).

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[Ryan Hobson]

Thanks Ben, i definitely feel out on a limb from the perspective of jumping to Rails (alone) and recruiting someone, ill get my self over to some meetups and embarrass myself with RoR knowledge :-) (either NWrug or Shrug).

I’m not anti-using agents, but coming from a dev background and been a Yorkshire lad I feel I should be able to find someone myself - I really want to see RoR boom up here, and it seems to me to be a great time.

In all honesty i'm not sure what to suggest; we could start by geeking out and writing stories for the forum (but i fear too many cooks!).  Ultimately perhaps this is the wrong place for Agents and companies looking to recruit - should there be a NWRUG-Jobs?

[Ian Moss]

Look forward to meeting you Ryan. Ultimately, we're all learning something :)

Seems to be a convention on LRUG of prefixing a recruitment related post with [JOBS]
(Though on a quick scan through my LRUG folder I see [JOB] also occurs.) 
So, that'd be filterable outable if people would like to do so.

Perhaps that would be a reasonable thing to adopt/refer to in our FAQ/About?
Probably plenty of other aspects that could in there too :) Happy to help if needs be.

[Ryan Hobson]

Thanks Ian, look forward to meeting you too.

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