Washington's Assisted Suicide Measure

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Daniel Crandall

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Oct 29, 2008, 1:46:56 AM10/29/08
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When the three of us met at Crossroads, a few Sunday's ago, the Assisted Suicide law came up. There was not agreement at the table on it, but at least we were not disagreeable about it.

I mentioned an article I had scene about how Oregon's Assisted Suicide law is being used. I said I would post that article to the list, so finally here it is.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,392962,00.html

"Some terminally ill patients in Oregon who turned to their state for health care were denied treatment and offered doctor-assisted suicide instead, a proposal some experts have called a "chilling" corruption of medical ethics.

"Since the spread of his prostate cancer, 53-year-old Randy Stroup of Dexter, Ore., has been in a fight for his life. Uninsured and unable to pay for expensive chemotherapy, he applied to Oregon's state-run health plan for help.

"Lane Individual Practice Association (LIPA), which administers the Oregon Health Plan in Lane County, responded to Stroup's request with a letter saying the state would not cover Stroup's pricey treatment, but would pay for the cost of physician-assisted suicide.

"It dropped my chin to the floor," Stroup told FOX News. "[How could they] not pay for medication that would help my life, and yet offer to pay to end my life?"

--- end snip

Do not, for one minute, think that this is an isolated incedent. Here is a snip from Wesley J. Smith's blog

http://www.wesleyjsmith.com/blog/2008/06/covering-cost-of-assisted-suicide-but.html:

"We have been warning for years that this was a possibility in Oregon. Medicaid is rationed, meaning that some treatments are not covered. But assisted suicide is always covered. And now, Barbara Wagner was faced with that very scenario. From the story:

Last month, she found out that her lung cancer, which had been in remission for about two years, had come back. After her oncologist prescribed a cancer drug that could slow the cancer growth and extend her life, Wagner was notified that the Oregon Health Plan wouldn't cover the treatment, but that it would cover palliative, or comfort, care, including, if she chose, doctor-assisted suicide.
No thanks to the bureaucrats in Oregon--but rather, thanks to an evil drug company--she will receive the treatment after all:
Then, on Monday morning, a representative of the pharmaceutical company called Wagner and told her it would provide the medicine for free. Wagner said she didn't know whether to laugh or cry, so she did both. "I am just so thrilled," she said. "I am so relieved and so happy."
This isn't the first time this has happened either. A few years ago a patient who needed a double organ transplant was denied the treatment but would have been eligible for state-financed assisted suicide.

--- end snip --- oddly enough the link to the story does not work. I'm guessing an editorial decision to remove the story at the papers website.

I've been hearing radio ads for the assisted suicide measure, attacking "out of state religious" folks wanting to force their way of life on Washington. You should know that the only reason this is on the ballot now is because out of state Euthanasia proponents came into Washington and started getting people to pass out and sign petitions.

Right now they say this will only be for folks in the last 6 months of a terminal illness. Does anyone really believe that once government is making health care decisions for people that that "limit" will remain? Anyone? And what better way for DSHS to ration services than to "allow" terminally ill patients an "alternative" to treatment?

Regards,
Daniel

Vivian Evans

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Oct 29, 2008, 12:05:33 PM10/29/08
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Chilling and disturbing - thank you for the information.  I voted against the assisted suicide law and mailed my ballot a couple of days ago, so I'm glad to have additional confirmation that my decision was correct.

Do you think we have a chance to stop the Obama/Reid/Pelosi axis from coming to power?  Be afraid - be very afraid.


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Marty Modance

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Oct 29, 2008, 11:30:52 PM10/29/08
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I think McCain and Palin can win, getting the bulk of the undecideds in the final days, as their fear of Obama comes to the surface. Especially in light of his bizarre comments critical of the Constitution. I believe that Joe the Plumber, and the predictably deranged response of the left to his comments, for all the world to see, began McCain's recovery. The left wing FASCISM of the Democrats must be defeated, or we will see a different America, and that would be be sinister indeed. BTW, I've heard that folks from 570 KVI Radio, and like-minded conservatives will be in attendance at the Bellevue Hyatt Regency, to watch the election returns. Joanne and I are planning to be there with some friends, and invite any of you to be there with us. I just had to get the heck out of Jim McDermottville next Tuesday. I'll try to get more info from the hotel. See ya.  
 
Marty      





Steven R. Goodman

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Oct 30, 2008, 1:30:16 AM10/30/08
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Dear DP Group,

I felt this was important enough to pass on.

I now live in Spokane so probably won’t be at a meeting anytime soon.

 

We must not succumb to the promotion of the presumption of an Obama victory manufactured by the media to undermine conservative turn out.

We owe it to our country and families not to quit at this point.

 

It is surreal and painful to watch this man-child who has been advanced along with Chicago felons, domestic terrorists, anti-American race-baiting clergy, islamists and Nation of Islam-ists, stand at the doorway to the Presidency. All with the aid of massive foreign money, Yes, he is buying this election with foreign and I suspect, Arab oil money; I really just don’t see college kids and the victims who are waiting with their outstretched hands forking over $600 Million. Yes that’s right, Obama’s campaign has raised a total of $600 Million Dollars!!!! This is clearly not the generosity of the Left. See the following if interested to learn more.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

 

Socialist through and through. Just listen to what he tells us.

Capitalizing (ironic) on the economic crisis, just as socialists always do.  A perfect storm.

 

We are witnessing the chickens of the 60’s coming home to roost.

Fed by a generation of soft but incremental anti-Americanism in the public schools (my parents were union teachers, I went to public universities as well), the universities, Hollywood and the media, the citizens have been softened by 40 years of ‘pre-socialism’:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlkPkJInUmU

 

And now with a generation of new voters who have been yes, indoctrinated, America can now easily elect a socialist president.

I fear we are witnessing the true beginning of the end of America. Speaking with some of you, I believe that we are all a bit shocked. Hillary would have been one thing; this I could never have imagined.

So quickly and seemingly ‘out-of-nowhere’ comes this ‘man-child in the promised land’ who has become a cult of personality to change the country forever.

Never mind, “Well, the people will see the truth and in 4 years we’ll be back in charge.” I don’t think the anti-democratic Left (witness how the Obama campaign handles dissent now), with the media in tow, will allow this to happen.

Dennis says, “The Left is naïve about evil and the Right is naïve about the Left.” He knows. So do I. Like Dennis, I grew up in New York and went to school and summer camp with Leftists, Socialists and even Commies. These people are Machiavellian. The ends definitely justify the means. The ends are socialism. The means are fascist and violent.

It is truly scary to reflect the rapidity with which this is all occurring.

 

Collectivism, the ‘fanatical worship of collective human power’ (Toynbee) is on the march again. What C.S. Lewis called ‘that hideous strength’.

Celebrity politics and Collectivism. A match made in hell.

Be scared if Obama wins, be very scared.

 

I believe that at this point the following is the best place to make a $ donation to effect a McCain victory. It came as a link in the Dick Morris daily e-letter. Dick’s pretty smart about this stuff.

The following ad about Obama’s association with Wright CANNOT be run by the McCain campaign or the GOP because they would be vulnerable to the false but effective charge by the media that it was racist, when of course it is not.

Therefore WE must make sure America sees this. It is in fact up to US.

The ad will be run in swing states. Something like this can and SHOULD make the difference.

http://www.nationalrepublicantrust.com/video_obamawright_dm.html

 

I just  made a donation. Please consider doing same and passing this on to as many people as you can.

Don’t you want to wake up Wednesday morning knowing you helped save America?

Regards and G_d Bless America

Steve Goodman

 

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/21/the-comprehensive-argument-against-barack-obama/

 

 

It Is Simply Astounding What This Man Has Been Able To Gloss Over About Himself.

The greatest swindle in American history is unfolding before our eyes, and the leftist media will naturally do nothing to stop it.

 

Could you please help me find these things, sir, Mr. Obama?


1. Occidental College records -- Not released    Why not?  

2. Columbia College records -- Not released       Why Not?

3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available'        Why Not?

4. Harvard College records -- Not released         Why Not?

5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released   Why Not?

6. Medical records -- Not released   Why Not?

7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'    Why Not?

8. Law practice client list -- Not released      Why Not?

9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released     Why Not?

10. Embossed, signed, paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released      Why Not?

11. Harvard Law Review articles published – None    

12. University of Chicago scholarly articles – None    

13. Your Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available'     Why Not?

14. Your Illinois State Senate records--'not available'      Why Not?

 

This is incredible. This man is hiding his entire record from the people of America.   Why?

 

With a very brief political career and public record, he will not release any of his life’s history.

We are left to try and determine what this man really believes through the people he has associated with during his life.

And it isn’t pretty.

Convicted Chicago criminals, admitted violent leftist terrorists, race-baiting, anti-American clergy (Wright, Jesse, Al), foreign islamists, visits to Libya with Nation of Islam Leaders, got milk?

This nonsense about “well, that’s guilt by association, and that’s not fair” is ridiculous. We’re not talking about seeing him standing under a streetlamp one night next to a guy who perpetrated a crime that evening. Judging a person by the company he keeps is not only time honored and reality based, but only something a person would NOT do if they were a fool.

 

Who he has surrounded himself with and associated with HIS ENTIRE LIFE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl-P1-2OKEM    Rezko:  Financial Dealings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk    Wright:  20 years in his church…heard nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHEyCnj0vMw   Farrakhan, who Wright went to Libya with to visit Kaddaffi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a40-dFf7tM&feature=related     Rashid Khalidi:  Palestinian Terrorist

 

 

 

The following is excerpted from a piece,

‘Requiem for a Great Country’

from a Native American patriot blog, http://badeagle.com/journal/

His writing  is fresh and provocative.

“I've said it before, more than once, "Welcome to Indian Country." When everything you were becomes only a memory in your own mind, you are in Indian Country. When you are standing on your own land, surrounded by a different world, with different values--which now control you and your land, you are in Indian Country. When your people fight over "hand-outs," which the government "owes" them, you are in Indian Country. (Sure, it's true that, in the case of the American Indian, treaty provisions are not the equivalent of welfare at all. Nevertheless, the dazed and duped American public counts welfare as their entitlement, their just deserts, their "treaty provision"--for just being born, or just crossing the border.) When the same sun shines on a different government, when you are limited now to what land you can stand on, and what you can do on it, you are in Indian Country.”

 

 

 

 

From: nw-dennis-prag...@googlegroups.com [mailto:nw-dennis-prag...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marty Modance
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:31 PM
To: nw-dennis-prag...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [nw-dennis-prager-discussions] Re: Washington's Assisted Suicide Measure

 

I think McCain and Palin can win, getting the bulk of the undecideds in the final days, as their fear of Obama comes to the surface. Especially in light of his bizarre comments critical of the Constitution. I believe that Joe the Plumber, and the predictably deranged response of the left to his comments, for all the world to see, began McCain's recovery. The left wing FASCISM of the Democrats must be defeated, or we will see a different America, and that would be be sinister indeed. BTW, I've heard that folks from 570 KVI Radio, and like-minded conservatives will be in attendance at the Bellevue Hyatt Regency, to watch the election returns. Joanne and I are planning to be there with some friends, and invite any of you to be there with us. I just had to get the heck out of Jim McDermottville next Tuesday. I'll try to get more info from the hotel. See ya.  
 
Marty      



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Marty Modance

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Oct 30, 2008, 10:31:02 PM10/30/08
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Thanks for the great words, Steve---my wife and I have also donated to this PAC, and feel this will be effective. I heartily encourage all of you to do the same, to stave off Obama's gangsterism. By the way, fyi, there will be an Election Reception next Tuesday night from 6-11 pm, at the Bellevue Hyatt Regency. The Evergreen Room. Hope to see you there! Fight for this Great Country, regards,
 
Marty Modance
McDermottville 




Steven R. Goodman

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Oct 31, 2008, 2:07:16 AM10/31/08
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I would love to join you next Tuesday, but now live in Spokane.

 

This race is not over!!

The most accurate poll in 2004 was Investor’s Business Daily.

Here is today’s poll from IBD: this is a 4 point race with 9%!! Undecideds!!

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/series13.aspx?src=POLLTOPN

 

McCain CAN WIN THIS!
Regards,

Steve Goodman


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Jeffand Mary Hess

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Oct 31, 2008, 9:26:49 AM10/31/08
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One current thought on polls. Current "polls" are based upon samples, and samples are based upon assumptions and data of registrations. However in this current cycle we have discovered that the ONE’s community organizing group, ACORN has been busy registering thousands of none existent democrats, which corrupts the registration data causing an registration universe that over represents Dem. Almost all the polls where you can get the sample sizes you find Dems to Repubs samples the Dems at 2 to 1. If the voter universe (read turn out real voters) is not this 2 to 1 but more even than a three point down "poll" is really is a even to three points up poll. The whole key is to get out the vote.



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