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[luv-2-...@comcast.net]

Hi Jen

 

I also spend most of my day driving and will really miss Dennis's wisdom and clarity.  It is doubtful any other station will pick his show up at this time.  We now have really only one conservative show in his timeslot...Rush.  It's a very sad time for us all.

 

Chris Orr

 

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From: Jennifer Drew <slora...@yahoo.com>

I tuned in Monday morning to listen to Dennis Prager and found that 1300 KKOL had a new line up. Can anyone tell me where I can still find Mr. Prager's radio show live in the Seattle - Tacoma area? I work in my car and the time is seriously dragging. I would greatly appreciate any information,.

Thank you,
Jennifer Drew

[Ryan Sharp]

Does anyone know why the station changed its format?

Ryan

[Jeffand Mary Hess]

Salem has other stations in the Seattle Market (820) (1590), but none of the 1300 shows have shown up in either station.  

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[Daniel Crandall]

I actually sent a message to to...@1300kol.com, the email address in the “Contact Us” portion of KOL’ website. If you want to write them, you have to copy and past the email. Do not simply click it. If you just click it, the email address the message goes to is “comments at 1220kdow dot com, and that address does not seem to work, at least it didn’t when I used it.

 

To date I’ve got no response from To...@1300KOL.com. Clearly KOL management doesn’t want Salem Radio Network listeners. So be it. As I wrote to them so I write to you folks; good luck, but I will no longer be listening to that portion of the radio bandwidth.

 

And let me remind everyone, you can still listen to Dennis, but you need to be able to go to the internet. And since you’re reading this message, then I know you have internet access. So, as I’m trying to respond to last night’s Republican wipe out, stop whining about Dennis not being on the Radio and figure out a work-around.

 

Daniel

 

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[Ryan Sharp]

I'm not sure people are "whining" so much as it is just simply a shock to us. I don't know why that response is even needed.

I to have emailed the station and left a voicemail at the studio.

[Jennifer Drew]

Thank you, all, for responding. It was not the answer I wanted, but will get on with something of a solution. I could have used Denis' calming influence this morning. As well, I sent an e-mail yesterday to KKOL, but have received no reply.

Jennifer

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From: Ryan Sharp <rsh...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 11:37:07 AM
Subject: [nw-dennis-prager-discussions] Re: Why did KOL change?

[dian...@aol.com]

I spent 30 minutes trying to get Prager today on the internet but got his "Happiness Hour."
Probably should have listened to that considering my mood.  However, how do you get
the current show?  I am on the Peninsula and get terrible radio.

Sorry I can't make Thanksgiving.  I'll be out of town.
Diane 

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[Megan Perry]

Hi Diane,

 

I haven’t made it to the discussion groups due to my husband being a person leaning more towards the left and formerly in an “activist type” rock band.  Since our political views vary so much we try not to discuss too many things at home.  If I head out to groups I tend to bring it home.

 

You can find the Prager show streaming live at http://krla870.townhall.com/  --it is his home station. The main page will have a live link during the 9am- 12 pm slot in the upper left hand corner.  I hope this helps.  On another note I’m in a dreary mood as well, but I plan to get motivated and figure out how to further build a conservative grassroots movement (sorry for using a liberal mantra) so people can understand what it is truly about.  As a younger person I hear how awful it is to be conservative and many of my peers don’t understand it at all.  Hopefully building some type of movement will help bypass the current state of things where a good portion of the progressive population view conservatives as evil and berate them or think of them as being simpletons.  I guess the goal would be to create another source of conservative information beyond talk radio and blogging that can hit the mainstream media, colleges, unions, special interest groups, etc., hard so liberal doctrine doesn’t have such a strong hold.  I don’t have a clue how yet, but hope to figure out something.

 

Thanks for letting me vent.

Best,

 

Megan Perry Moore

Seattle, WA

 

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[Tom]

Hi!

 

 One place you can usually find the daily programs archived (in mp3 format) going back a few days is here;

 

http://www.patriotunderground.com/

 

 Hope this helps.

 

Tom

[Jeannie]

dennisprager.townhall.com

 

Select PODCAST Prager and you can select hour by hour of your choosing...just not LIVE. You have to wait a few hours to catch the current day (I assume because it's being broadcast by delay in other areas) but you can go back to other hours and days you may have missed on this site as well.

 

JeannieJ

Issaquah, WA

[Natalie Gauvin]

Dear Megan, Your message has struck a cord - I am a painter and dancer and have worked in theater for many years and always around other artists.  I am relatively open about my conservativism and have had many discussions with friends asking me "How could you be a Republican?!?" with varying degrees of horror in their eyes.  I have been listening to Dennis and others since I was 18, read "Atlas Shrugged" 5 times before I turned 25, lived in a socialist country for 1 year (Scotland) and have my degree in the liberal arts from a liberal university. What I have found with the "how could you..."s is that they generally have not been paying attention and are not reading their history.   Opinions are largely based on what feels good 'today', as DP says.  They don't understand the changes this country has gone through in such a short period of time and how detrimental they are to society as a whole.  The complaciency of todays young and old is astounding in everything from how they present themselves to the world, their speach, lack of self pride and simple hygiene, lack of knowledge in the simplest notions of the founding of this country...ect.  Everyday I ask myself what I can do to promote conservative ideals in such a way that would make sense to others who are not and leave them thinking about the bigger philosophy rather than smaller points of contention.  One thing is continue to read and listen and understand Dennis and others and be proud of passing on this legacy and try not to let discussions with loved ones become too heated, just remain matter-of-fact.  I have a girlfriend who is just as passionate as I about these matters and with 5 children under the age of 8 has undertaken creating a newsletter for the rest of her very large family, especially the younger section.  I have been  mulling over a children's illustrated history book in rhyme.  I have a few paintings that I am working on that are venerating the heroes of our time; namely Ross McGinnis, this year's Congressional medal of Honor recipient.  And although I am in Liberty Lake (near Spokane) I am recieving these listener group emails and would like to see a web site and something bigger come out of it; would also love to contribute to it in whatever small way that I can.  We have in town a chain of Coffee houses called "Dagny's" with an image of Atlas holding up the earth on the sign.  The owner asks all his employees to read Atlas Shrugged and passes out literature.  There are so many small things we can do everyday, it just takes time and patience!  

Walk tall, proud and consistant!

 

Natalie A. Gauvin

[Jeannie]

Natalie...your post was most interesting and I related very much to what you had to say.

 

I particularly enjoyed hearing mention of Ayn Rand's great novel. I read it the first time 20 years  ago but have re-read it over and over and twice in the last couple years as unabridged audio which is an excellent way to get a richer feeling of the story. I even named my first Irish Setter "Dagny". Several years ago I was given a beautifully leather bound edition of Atlas Shrugged. I keep an extra one around to loan out. It may be dated but each read feels like much of the grit of the book is, or could be, present-day.

 

I have been listening to DP for close to twenty years now with only the break between my move here from CA and eventually finding him on the internet! Oddly enough, I feel surrounded by conservatives here of all places! Sure the liberals control the state but there are many, many conservatives as well....just not enough of us in King County!

 

 

JeannieJ

Issaquah, WA

[Ora Rae Ottmar]

Reading the emails from Prager listeners is a happy time of my day.  We have Prager live here in Walla Walla as we have 3 conservative am stations but I prefer podcasting.  For $55 a year I get his podcasts almost as soon as the program is over, no ads.  It is great but limits calling into the show.  Some of his shows I listen to several times and I like reversing so I can listen to a concept a second or third time.

For those of you so inclined, hand write some personal notes to politicians that may need to feel cared about.  Yesterday I wrote the President, Vice President and Gov. Palin.  They have taken such hits by the media and very little appreciation for the good they have done.  They could use some encouragemnt.

Did all of you know about I-409?  We have a terrible time with illegal Mexicans and our state needs to wake up.  Google and get involved.
Ora Rae Ottmar
Walla Walla, WA

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[Vivian Evans]

Omigosh, do I relate to all your comments.  As a singer, actress, writer (and former liberal Democrat, like DP, Michael Medved, Dennis Miller and so many others), much of my life is spent in a mainly Liberal milieu.  It's comforting and encouraging to hear from you since I feel pretty isolated and beleaguered much of the time.  I do try to share my views in a calm, reasoned way, but I've found that with Obama true believers, any doubts/questions raised about The One are met with anger and contempt.  It's a religion for them and alternate views will not be tolerated.  Bravo to all for taking a stand (in a good-natured way) - we can disagree with the Left without being disagreeable, right?  At least we can try. Cheers from Vivian

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[Daniel Crandall]

Megan & Natalie and everyone else,

 

These are some great comments, and something that we all need to think long and seriously about, concerning how conservatives move forward. Here is a rather long email sharing my thoughts on how we can move forward.

 

There was interesting exchange over at National Review Online about the election and what it tells us about America; is it a Center-Right or Center-Left nation?  Here is one comment saying that America remains a Center-Right nation, here is Mark Steyn disagreeing and here is a brief comment by Jonah Goldberg on the subject of the Europeanization of America.

 

How do we change this Europeanization? I would look at how Dennis approached the economic crisis. The first thing to do is identify the source of the problem. If you don’t know that Democrats were at the center of everything that went wrong, vis a vis, the financial markets, housing, sub-prime loans, etc. then you wouldn’t know what steps to take to correct the current slide. The majority displayed their ignorance of these facts by giving Democrats control of Congress and the White House. Now we see the Stock Market reacting to the election with massive sell-offs.

 

I would argue that the reason we are losing politically is because the Right lost the Culture. The Arts, Entertainment and Education spark people’s imagination, especially the young. Left-wing ideology inundates people everyday, in the home, in schools, in movie theaters, on television, in novels, in music, everywhere. This stuff is absorbed passively by the majority each and everyday.

 

I think it is great that we have artists involved in this group, because I think you are the most important people if this nation’s is going to put in a more Reagan-ite direction. I am into genre fiction, thrillers, horror, science fiction, fantasy. An overwhelming majority of authors are Lefties. There are a few who are not: Robert Ferrigno Andrew Klavan Vince Flynn, Dean Koontz, Tim Powers, James P. Blaylock, Orson Scott Card are a few that come to mind. Folks here have mentioned Ayn Rand’s novel Atlas Shrugged. That is a perfect example of how a novel inspires a lot people to question the Left-Liberal assumptions they get everywhere else. It sparked their imagination.

 

I also greatly enjoy movies. Some recent films that I think are excellent entertainment and don’t contribute to the ‘evil America’, ‘evil corporations’, ‘evil conservatives’ meme that fills most Hollywood films are “An American Carol,” “Expelled,” “Vantage Point,” “Gone, Baby, Gone,” HBO’s “John Adams” series.

 

In short, I do everything I can to support artists who share my worldview. Their work is going to point the Culture in the direction I think it should go. And we need to let the markets know that this is what the people want. We need to praise HBO for “John Adams” instead of just attacking them for creating “Generation Kill” or the numerous other anti-American projects that studio puts out day after day.

 

Business and Politics are “top down” enterprises. That is, change comes from the top and works its way down. If a company is going to produce a new product or reach out to a new market the decision has to come from and be promoted by those at the top. When government creates a new program, the decision is made at the top and pushed down on the population.

 

The Culture, however, is a “bottom up” enterprise. William Shakespeare became “Shakespeare” because he produced popular entertainment, plays that sparked the people’s imagination and which they wanted to see. We don’t necessarily have to become Shakespeare to regain the culture, but we have to get back in the Cultural game.

 

The Culture Project is a website I’ve come across that is promoting the importance of Culture in these interesting times. Here is part of their answer to the question, ‘Why the Culture Project?’:

 

“The Culture Project is devoted to the idea that cultural renewal cannot be achieved through politics alone. Culture shapes politics. The opposite mentality has limited the right’s long-term political success in the past half-century, because people’s basic assumptions come from our liberal-dominated culture—from the education system, entertainment, and the media—and these are all areas that conservatives have largely abdicated to the left the last 40 or 50 years. We cannot move America back to the values our country was founded on solely through politics. Only a serious, conscious effort toward cultural renewal can do that.

“The Culture Project has been founded to address this crucial need at the heart of modern conservatism. Certainly, there are numerous fine organizations on the right attempting to influence culture, but they are a separate and dispersed lot. Our objective is not only to bring more right-of-center individuals into the cultural influence professions but also to create a grand narrative of cultural renewal, to make a case for the development of a Culture of Liberty in the United States today. We will create a synergy and connection among all these groups and individuals, whose efforts can make a bigger impact through cooperation and outreach beyond the right.”

 

There is a lot more at this website. I’d encourage everyone to check out.

 

Now, as to a comment I made in an earlier message, to which at least one person took offense: Part of me was reacting to the election results when I wrote that. My frustration, anger, bitterness came out in one sentence. I probably could have put my frustration in less confrontational language. Or perhaps I should have written the message and, as Dennis says, let it sit for 24 hours before I sent it. But I was quick with the ‘SEND’ button. I should not have written it; it didn’t help anyone.

 

So there are some of my thoughts on how we can move forward. I look forward to continuing this discussion and doing what I can to change the direction America is heading.

 

Most Sincerely,

Daniel Crandall

[Daniel Crandall]

I’ll try to make this a shorter message about where we go from here.

 

I think we need to step outside of our comfort zones and start talking to those with whom we disagree. A big problem for the Left is that it never has to deal with a differing opinion. I would bet that most, if not all, Obama voters never read a National Review or Weekly Standard article or never listened to Dennis Prager.

 

We need to be conduits getting this info out to them.

 

Let me share a story about dinner with some of my wife’s friends.

 

Before we moved to Seattle, we spent a few days with a family in the area. They filled their bookshelves with tomes about the Clintons and New Age Spirituality, and they read the Seattle Post-Intelligencer religiously. They were as hard-core Democrats as you could find.

 

We went to a Tai place for dinner one night and the topic of guns came up. I don’t remember how, I didn’t broach it but it came up nonetheless. My wife’s friends went on and on about how we need gun control, there are too many guns, etc. – the typical Left-wing mantra about firearms.

 

I asked them if they knew how many times private citizens used guns to defend themselves. They had no idea. I gave them the stats on fire-arms in self-defense cases. They argued that it was about violence. Interestingly enough, the husband is a Jiu-Jitsu black-belt and trains private security in martial arts. I drew a comparison between someone with a gun defending himself, or more importantly herself, and this Jiu-Jitsu black-belt being so readily able to defend himself.

 

I don’t know if I changed their mind, but I did bring up something they had never heard before. For a few moments I got them to think about their presumptions. But it was not easy. It took a great deal of effort to control my reaction. I had to step out of my comfort zone. But as I smiled, calmly stated my position and did not get confrontational we were able to have a conversation.

 

That is definitely not always the case. I had an ardent anti-Vietnam war radical yell at me because I challenged his world-view. In that case, smiling and presenting a calm demeanor, I think made him angrier. Heap coals on their head with kindness or something to that effect.

 

Anyway, my point is that I think we need to engage those with whom we disagree. Dividing America into ethnic enclaves is what the Left wants to do with America. We cannot let them do the same concerning ideological enclaves. We have a lot of information they have never heard. We may not change their mind today, but we may show them that there is some flaw, something missing, in their worldview. Hopefully we can change invincible ignorance into vincible ignorance.

 

Take care,

Daniel Crandall

[tom bush]

Daniel;

 

 I know that the firearms debate wasn't the topic at hand and that you only mentioned it in order to relate your own experience but it did make me think of something;

 

 I don't personally have the types of stats at hand that you mentione i.e stats concerning gun useage for self defense etc.

 

 Do you have that information handy or can you point me in the right direction?

 

 That is exactly the sort of info I'd like to be armed with (no pun intended!) for those times that I do encounter someone on the other side of the fence.

 

Thanks

 

Tom

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[Megan Perry]

Thanks for your notes!  It is great to hear that I’m not the only person in an arts industry (in my case a rock music photographer /author of music books and ballet enthusiast) that is conservative.  I am also an avid reader of Ayn Rand.  I pick up “Atlas Shrugged” whenever I think the world is crazy.  I at times incorporate a more patriotic vision into my photography. Rolling Stone even published one of my live shots of the band Blink 182 with the American Flag behind them. The band’s management also requested prints of the photo as gifts. Otherwise I try to discuss things in the rock world, but it is pretty lonely and hard when you are not hired for gigs if they know you are conservative.  Only a few conservative rock personalities are known to be outspoken: Ted Nugent, Gene Simmons of Kiss, and the late Johnny Ramone of the Ramones...    

 

Maybe there is a way to permeate the arts culture as well as the teen/ early college demographic who tend to associate being cool and intellectual with being liberal.  A website of some sort, the cultural project, etc. ..?

 

Thanks again for letting me vent.

-Megan

 

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Subject: [nw-dennis-prager-discussions] Where do we go from here?

 

Megan & Natalie and everyone else,

[Daniel Crandall]

Tom,

 

Thank you for asking. Prof. John Lott is one of the best sources of information on when it comes to gun issues.

 

Here is a link to an interview with Prof Lott: http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html

 

Here is a link to Prof. Lott’s website: http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

 

Here is a link to the American Enterprise Institute, where you can download information from Prof. Lott’s book “The Bias Against Guns”: http://www.johnlott.org/cgi-bin/login.cgi. Signing up for a password is free and there is a great deal of information available.

 

Here is a bit from the section titled “2002 Survey on Defensive Gun Use”:

 

“Crimes committed with guns that result in murder are very accurately reported, though other violent crimes committed with guns are not as well recorded. But an even greater problem exists on the other side of the ledger since there is no attempt by police to count reported instances of defensive gun use. The only partial attempt by the government to quantify the consequences of defensive gun use involves the number of “justified homicides,” but unfortunately a large number of jurisdictions do not even report that number. With surveys by Hemenway, Azrael, and Miller in 1996 and 1999 indicating that people use guns on average about 2 millions of times per year, even a large multiple of recorded justifiable homicides implies that attackers are killed in fewer than 1/1000 of defensive gun uses.2 Thus the number of justifiable homicides provided by the U.S. Department of Justice misses virtually all of the picture of defensive gun uses. Surveys on this rate of defensive gun use are basically the only way to get information on the number of defensive uses as well as how the guns are used in those cases.

 

“… the National Study of Private Ownership of Firearms implying as many as 4.7 million defensive gun uses in 1994, though an estimate of 1.5 million is viewed by the authors as more reasonable.3 Other recent estimates have ranged from 2 million to 2.5 million.4 The 1997 survey estimates that I made implied about 2.1 million defensive gun uses, well within the range implied by these other similar surveys.”

 

Here is a link to a paper, freely available, without any log in, for a paper titled “Confirming More Guns, Less Crime”: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=372361

 

If you don’t want to work your way through the 42 pages of “Confirming More Guns, Less Crime”, here is much shorter brief, titled “Self-Defensive Arms Kept Tied by Good Intentions”: http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.14894/pub_detail.asp

 

It includes the following comment:

“The news media's focus on only tragic outcomes, while ignoring the more numerous tragic events that were avoided, gives people a distorted view on gun ownership and leads to many myths that endanger lives. Horrific events receive extensive news coverage, as they should, but the more than 2 million times each year that Americans use guns defensively are never discussed--even though this is five times the 430,000 times guns were used to commit crimes in 1997. Cases where public shootings are stopped or dramatic stories of mothers using guns to prevent their children from being kidnapped seldom make the news.”

 

 

The next time your gun control friends talk about the gun control ask them how many times guns were used to stop a crime. I’m willing to bet that if they can even think of a number it won’t be anywhere near 2 million. And they should imagine how many more than the 430,000 crimes would have been committed were not honest, law-abiding citizens armed and there to stop them.

 

You can also ask them who stopped the shooting at the Appalachian School of Law. The answer is 2 students who ran to their cars retrieved their guns, returned and pointed them at the killer, telling him to stop. A fact that was all but ignored by the MSM. http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=261873389636988

 

I hope this helps. As the great John Adams series made clear, “Facts are stubborn things.” And they are almost always on our side.

 

Take care,

Daniel

 

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[Ryan Sharp]

I can totally relate although in a different field. I'm 35 years old and back in school finishing my political science degree at the UW. Talk about biting your tongue during lecture in every class. The same idea you have for permeating the arts/culture could be beneficial in this arena as well. However, there are huge road blocks, to say the least.

Ryan Sharp

[Tom]

Thank you SO much!

 

 That is terrific information to commit to memory!

 

Tom

[karen buley]

I am enjoying the comments about how conservatives can regain a small foothold into the culture of today.  At times it feels like it is a losing battle.  I am in school now, so I don't get to hear the morning broadcasts of Dennis Prager, but I still hold on to what he taught me in years that I listened to him at home.  I always considered him to be my homeschool teacher.  He should be on TV at night so more working people can get to know him.  Since I am a white middle-age conservative woman, I don't count for much in today's world.  I don't feel like a citizen of the world, but instead a proud American who loves this country and will be damned if I have to apologize for it.  The Republican party let us down by not fighting the good fight, but instead have just gone along with whatever.  Who cares about our language, our borders, our anti-boy agenda, our right to life position.  Right now, with the economy the way it is, I will not give my dollars to any business that doesn't keep jobs here.  I'm just going to keep my mouth shut and my head down.

                                                           KBu...@charter.net

[Natalie Gauvin]

Megan wrote...."Maybe there is a way to permeate the arts culture "... 

 

Perhaps in the same way the abstinence movement caught on.  There has to be a fearful end, a threat.  The fear of pregnancy, VDs, AIDS keeps the youth from "just saying yes".  It has become 'cool' to be abstinent and to talk about it, some show it by wearing the mark, a pink ring I think.  (Unfortunately there is also a countermovement to increased sexuality in our schools with the very young and more daring activities like OS when the teacher is not around)  I mention the other side because there is always someone(s) who will counter. 

 

Remember the commercial ... "Here's your brain", they show an egg.  "Here's your brain on drugs", the egg frying in a pan.  So simple and so ubiquitous - that commercial must be 20 years old now, but I think most of us remember it very well.  Perhaps some overly simplistic mantra is necessary. 

 

4, maybe 6 years ago DP or Medved was interviewing a woman who wrote a book about the language we (namely government) can't speak anymore.  It is no longer fireman, it is firefighter, no longer stewardess, but flight attendant, no longer black, but African-American.  Elementary age text books are made to make equal the number of examples of women in non-traditional female roles and men in non-traditional male roles. (ex: Dad is mixing ingredients for a cake.  How many cups of flour will he need if he doubles the recipe?)  Does anyone know the title/author. 

 

I am leading to, perhaps, a similar mantra to the egg and pan.  Here is our country before liberal"ism" (all the things we could say, and do)  and here is our country 'on' liberal"ism" (limits on speech ex:Muslim extremist is striken, and limits on actions ex: helmuts, seatbelts, baby carseats.)  Those just a little younger than my long 36 years won't know these things unless someone tells them.  Just brainstorming.

 

And it must be repeated again and again that we are all environmentalists by virtue of the fact that we breath, eat and drink the same air, food and water.  Environmentalism is no longer the continental divide between the two partys.  Perhaps if the the conservative movement became active (hyperactive) in this arena we could beat them at their own game.  It is not a 'conservative' way to be self aggrandizing about how cleanly we can extract oil from the ground, for example, but maybe it is time to be a little obnoxious about it.  And to repeat also the #30,000. (the number of Scientists to sign the treatise disclaiming climate change due to human activity.)   So many options, so little time. 

 

Natalie Gauvin

 

P.S.   Angelina and Brad Pitt have made it a personal goal to resurrect Atlas Shrugged on film.  Filming was to begin Jan. '09, but they lost their director.  Her father John Voight is a McCain supporter and made an appearance at the RNC.  If they can do it justice maybe all is not lost. 

 

P.P.S  "The Incredibles" is a good message about indivdualism.

[Megan Perry]

I like the idea of posters and artwork with statements such as your example: this was the US before liberalism, this is it after liberalism, or this is what Marxism is, this is who has supported it and who supports it today, here is the end result, or an environmental posters explaining how conservatives actually do care for the environment.  Perhaps the posters/stickers or some similar medium could be mixed with poignant artwork or photographs as visuals.   This idea also had me thinking—you know the artist Shephard Fairey?  He designed many of the Obama socialist, propaganda looking posters/ apparel.  He also designed the Obey Giant stickers/posters.  The posters are of a gloomy omniscient man inspired by the former wrestler Andre the Giant of all people, and to quote the artist on his website it was “designed to provoke thought about the mechanics of the system we live in…not to destroy it. Everyone has to live here.” 

 

I’ve pasted links where you can find more information about the artist and his work below.

 

The official website: http://obeygiant.com/

 

A link to show his most well known poster:   http://obeygiant.com/sightings/obey-giant-plastered  -

 

A blog discussing Obama poster(s) stating that the images might look propaganda like, but are really “at their core, the most appropriate Obama images: They are edgy yet sophisticated; populist yet cool. Not unlike Obama himself.”  …http://semiobama.blogspot.com/2008/05/obey-obama.html :

 

I don’t know how it happened, but the Obey posters/stickers went up everywhere across the US from college campuses to buildings in rural towns.  It became kind of a leftist/fringe cultural phenomenon.  The artist and his supporters don’t endorse graffiti or property vandalism, but they do post them almost everywhere. 

 

I think the artist’s way of canvassing stickers/posters everywhere is a form of vandalizing public property, as well as a juvenile and a very narcissistic way of getting attention, but maybe we can create some type of  pro conservative poster/artwork  and figure out how to get noticed in a much classier fashion.  I’m also just brainstorming so I could be way off base and I’m not sure how exactly to execute the idea, but it could be something to look into.

 

Things take awhile to get going and within the next four years some headway could be made.  The timing could be work out well---after Obama is sworn in almost everything including government, colleges, high schools, mainstream media, and special interest groups, will be dominated by the left.  Many younger people will also more than likely have parents who hated the Reagan Revolution, or parents/grandparents who hold onto hippie values.  In turn younger people in general or children/grandchildren of the Reagan haters and hippie gurus will have leftward thinking mentors as well as the leftist government and teachers as their authority figures.  Perhaps the slogan “question authority” that has been popularized by the left can be turned against them-- the left will be for the most part the authority figures, now it is time to question them. I know this thought process might be a bit off base or not the best way of executing ideas, but just thinking.

 

Thanks,

Megan

 

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[Michael Matson]

These are such good ideas.  I'm thinking we probably will need our get togethers more than ever now.  

[dian...@aol.com]

Hi Megan,
Thanks for your feedback.  I'll try it tomorrow.  I understand dating and marrying someone
with opposite views because I tried it once. It's difficult, I know. I wish we had a Singles Conservative club around here.  Unfortunately, I'm on the Peninsula so "geographically undesirable"
as everyone else seems to be near Seattle.
Diane

[dian...@aol.com]

Thanks Tom, Megan, and everyone else who's trying to help me hear Conservative Talk Radio
and Prager.  I've called Serius Radio and XM Radio and neither carry conservative talk radio--
thousands of music stations, hundreds of sports stations, and Oprah.....but nada.  Welcome
to our country.
Diane

[Daniel Crandall]

Diane,

If someone at Sirius said they don’t have conservative talk radio then that person was lying.

 

Sirius Patriot, Channel 144, has Bill Bennett, Mike Church, Andrew Wilkow, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Michael Reagan, NRA News, G.Gordon Liddy and Cigar Dave.

 

I also know that XM has been carrying Larry Elder, but I don’t know what XM Station that would.

 

I’ve had Sirius Satellite Radio in my car for a little more than a year and half. Sirius Patriot was the first channel I programmed one of the preset buttons for.

Take care,

Daniel

 

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[dian...@aol.com]

Daniel,

Thanks so much for telling me Sirius has conservative talk show radio.  I'll call them
again tomorrow after talking to them on Friday.  Have a great week!

Diane

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[Jeannie]

Larry Elder is dynamite....catch him when you can....he's a Libertarian...been around in  LA for years.

 

JeannieJ