On Oct 1, 10:56 am, "Angela Harms" <angela.ha...@gmail.com
> Maybe I was too concise. :)
> What I mean is perhaps whether something's on-topic isn't so much about the
> subjects we discuss, as about showing interest, while discussing them, in
> developing NVC consciousness around them?
> Here's what I've noticed about this discussion:
> - First, Craig said "I know it is not in the model to interject myself so
> early in the process of empathy... But I share your unease." And then it was
> all about him.
This is frustrating and difficult for me. I am hearing that I am too
abstract, philosophical, and wordy (giraffe guilty of the last
one)from some quarters. That I am at my best when I share myself. Then
that I am interjecting too much of myself. Hmm. More information and
details might add to my clarity. If you are willing, give it a shot.
> - Then, my dear Tracy tried to comfort me by explaining that the thing I
> was sad around wasn't real. (He and I covered that one at home.)
I am glad you found some comfort. That meets my needs for mutuality
> - And now Susan offers lists of facts that she thinks imply a moral
> conclusion, and I can't tell whether she's enjoying her jackal show, and
> working toward the place of non-judgement, or whether she thinks this is a
> It's true that these things would be more fun if I could be sure all the
> players are actually interested in and motivated by the desire to co-create
> a real NVC consciousness that fits with all of life. But even if I can't, *it's
> been *really* enriching* for me to work with these reactions.
My goal with my too long focus on abortion advocacy by Marshall as you
presented it was to scream for empathy and inclusion of anti-choice
people in the NVC model. I guess I was too far outside of the model
and/or lacked clarity as Conal suggests in another thread. I regret my
effect, but stand by my intention. Noting would please me more than to
co-create an NVC consciousness that is a co-creation of us all. I am
glad that working with your reactions has been enriching. That is
really a huge relief for me.
> Doesn't mean it's good for the list, but it might be. It's good for me! :)
I hope we decide what is "good" for the list, whatever that means, by
consensus and empathy and honesty as giraffe's experience and practice
it. Your view of something being precious to you is precious to me.
All the best and a little teary with relief, Craig.