nuttx.org going away

[patacongo]

For many years, the NuttX website was at nuttx.org.  However, when NuttX joined the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) as an incubating project, the website was redesigned and is now at nuttx.apache.org.  The nuttx.org currently just redirects to nuttx.apache.org.

I will be ending that re-direction primarily do to certificate issues that are just not worth bothering with.  So within the next 24 hours, nuttx.org will no longer take you to the nuttx.apache.org website.  Please update your links.

Also when NuttX connected with the ASF, the nuttx/ and apps/ repositories on Bitbucket (https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/) were converted to read-only mirrors.  Both of these steps were taken so that people using NuttX would experience a more or less seamless transition to Apache NuttX.

Some time in the not-so-distant future, the read-only mirrors on Bitbucket will be disappearing too.  I have giving you heads up now so that you will have some opportunity to update any scripts you may be using.

The Google group is also no longer the primary place for NuttX project discussions.  All project discussions occur on d...@nuttx.apache.org.  You can subscribe to that mailing list by sending an email to dev-su...@nuttx.org.  A lot of discussion occurs these days on Github Issues.  Subscribing to the notifications on the incubator-nuttx and incubator-nuttx-apps repositories at github.com/apache is also a good way to stay in touch with what is going on with the project.

What about this Google group?  For now it has really lost its purpose.  But i would hope that that we could make this a different kind of forum for NuttX.  Perhaps a place to discuss projects you are working on?  We will see.  I would like to keep this forum as another place to communicate, but it cannot find its own identity, then I suppose I should shut it down too?

[patacongo]

If this group does not develop some independent identity, I suppose that I should also disable posting and disallow new member.   A few people still subscribe to this group probably thinking that this still the place where significant NuttX discussions occur.

[hartman...@gmail.com]

It will be interesting to see if this forum takes on a new life as a place to discuss projects being done with NuttX, or perhaps 3rd party code made for NuttX but which is not appropriate for becoming part of NuttX itself.

But if not, may I make a recommendation: I think this forum should *not* be shut down under any circumstances because it contains valuable answers to user and developer questions, historical information, and general knowledge that is not otherwise available elsewhere (except perhaps in a few people's heads, but you can't google for information in people's heads, at least not yet, and let's hope never). So I would recommend (again, *if* this forum doesn't find a new purpose) to disable posting and new memberships, after posting one final message redirecting new users to the proper places. But please don't delete the forum!

Cheers,

Nathan

[michal....@bofc.pl]

On 2020-08-30 10:36:25, patacongo wrote:
>
> For many years, the NuttX website was at nuttx.org. However, when NuttX
> joined the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) as an incubating project, the
> website was redesigned and is now at nuttx.apache.org. The nuttx.org
> currently just redirects to nuttx.apache.org.
>
> I will be ending that re-direction primarily do to certificate issues that
> are just not worth bothering with. So within the next 24 hours, nuttx.org
> will no longer take you to the nuttx.apache.org website. Please update
> your links.

Wouldn't it be better to at least simply write "project moved to
nuttx.apache.org" and maybe some usefull links like wiki, mailing
list, git repo etc? Right now someone might think project is dead
or something if one visits that site from an old resource.

Crossposting to d...@nuttx.apache.org

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[patacongo]

> Wouldn't it be better to at least simply write "project moved to
> nuttx.apache.org" and maybe some usefull links like wiki, mailing
> list, git repo etc? Right now someone might think project is dead

> or something if one visits that site from an old resource.

Sure, but the problem is that nuttx.org is not a website.  It is just a domain name that I own that is parked at GoDaddy.com.  It could re-direct, but it cannot serve up any pages.

[michal....@bofc.pl]

On 2020-09-16 06:34:04, patacongo wrote:
>
> > Wouldn't it be better to at least simply write "project moved to

> > nuttx.apache.org <http://nuttx.apache.org>" and maybe some usefull links

> like wiki, mailing
> > list, git repo etc? Right now someone might think project is dead
> > or something if one visits that site from an old resource.
>
> Sure, but the problem is that nuttx.org is not a website. It is just a
> domain name that I own that is parked at GoDaddy.com. It could re-direct,
> but it cannot serve up any pages.

Well, someone could host such simple site on his own webserwer. It would be
best if that was someone trustworthy so he doesn't replace links with
malicious ones somewhere in the future.

I could host it on my server if you wish.

[Matias N.]

If you google "nuttx" the first result is Apache's site. If you explicitly google "nuttx.org", Apache's site is the second one.

We already switched references to nuttx.org in documentation so no point in keeping a second URL around even for a redirect.

Best,

Matias

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[patacongo]

> I could host it on my server if you wish.

I can't transfer the name to anyone else.  The name now belongs to the Apache Software Foundation (or it will if/when the project graduates).

[Nathan Hartman]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:49 AM Matias N. <mat...@imap.cc> wrote:
>
> If you google "nuttx" the first result is Apache's site. If you explicitly google "nuttx.org", Apache's site is the second one.
> We already switched references to nuttx.org in documentation so no point in keeping a second URL around even for a redirect.

But Michal makes the point that someone might think NuttX is dead if
they click a link in something they have, say, a readme, an article,
another site we don't control, etc.

Would the following compromise make sense:

Create a page within nuttx.apache.org that explains "We have moved!"
Then, redirect nuttx.org to that page for now. When Apache NuttX
graduates to Top Level Project, revisit this question and either
transfer the nuttx.org domain to the ASF or shut it down at that time.

Thoughts?

Nathan

[patacongo]

> Create a page within nuttx.apache.org that explains "We have moved!"

> Then, redirect nuttx.org to that page for now.

Which would reintroduce the same certificate problems that caused me to eliminate the redirection in the first place.  It I could do that then I would have removed the re-direction in the first place.

[michal....@bofc.pl]

On 2020-09-16 07:52:48, patacongo wrote:
> > I could host it on my server if you wish.
>
> I can't transfer the name to anyone else. The name now belongs to the
> Apache Software Foundation (or it will if/when the project graduates).

No, no. I would never suggest to tranfer domain rights to me. You either
(1) specify DNS server for the domain (that will point to my dns server) or
(2) you manage your own DNS zone and only add "A" record and point it to
my server.

(2) is definately a way to go, since (1) allows me to setup subdomains
and even mail addresses with nuttx.org domain, while (2) will allow me
to control contents of single "http://nuttx.com" domain - which of course
you can revoke by removing "A" record in your DNS zone.

Mind that (2) will also allow me to, for example do 'ssh nuttx.org',
which I will be able to redirect anywhere.

So yeah, you really need to ask yourself the question if you can afford
to give such power to some random dude on the net. I'm not saying I will
do any of it. But how can you know?

[patacongo]

No, I am not going to do any of those things.  nuttx.org has been dead for several months and will stay dead for all eternity.

[Matias N.]

Not sure if this was received on the second list as well, so I'm forwarding to googlegroups. I'm lost on which discussion this conversation is taking place.

Let's just move to our new official URL. There's no point in having Greg keep the nuttx.org domain by himself and that someone else keeps a private server for this. It is only asking for more burden on individuals. The right approach is to use the community resources for this.

Best,

Matias

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Subject: Re: [nuttx] nuttx.org going away

Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 11:07

If you google "nuttx" the first result is Apache's site. If you explicitly google "nuttx.org", Apache's site is the second one.

We already switched references to nuttx.org in documentation so no point in keeping a second URL around even for a redirect.

Best,

Matias

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, at 11:03, michal....@bofc.pl wrote:

On 2020-09-16 06:34:04, patacongo wrote:

>

> > Wouldn't it be better to at least simply write "project moved to

> > nuttx.apache.org <http://nuttx.apache.org>" and maybe some usefull links

> like wiki, mailing

> > list, git repo etc? Right now someone might think project is dead

> > or something if one visits that site from an old resource.

>

> Sure, but the problem is that nuttx.org is not a website.  It is just a

> domain name that I own that is parked at GoDaddy.com.  It could re-direct,

> but it cannot serve up any pages.

Well, someone could host such simple site on his own webserwer. It would be

best if that was someone trustworthy so he doesn't replace links with

malicious ones somewhere in the future.

I could host it on my server if you wish.

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[Gregory Nutt]

> Let's just move to our new official URL. There's no point in having
> Greg keep the nuttx.org domain by himself and that someone else keeps
> a private server for this. It is only asking for more burden on
> individuals. The right approach is to use the community resources for
> this.

I agree and will not permit any use of nuttx.org.  That website
(re-direct) has been dead for for a couple of months now and needs to
continue in its death spiral.  Resurrecting it now would just
re-energize the problem.  The solution is the nuttx.org must go away
permanently and never return.

[patacongo]

I had also hoped that this mail list would have developed some purpose of its own, but I no longer believe it will.  I will continue with the original plan to shut down all new posts and all new members.  The group will remain as a read-only record of the many good conversations that we had in the past.

I will also remove the Bitbucket mirrors of the Apache repositories.

There is only one website:  https://nuttx.apache.org/, there will be only one mailing list d...@nuttx.apache.org, and only one authoritative source for code:  github.com/apache/incubator-nuttx and github.com/incubator-nuttx-apps

[Nathan Hartman]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 12:33 PM patacongo <spud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will also remove the Bitbucket mirrors of the Apache repositories.

What is the "official" new location of the tools, buildroot, and
uclibc repositories?

[Gregory Nutt]

>> I will also remove the Bitbucket mirrors of the Apache repositories.
> What is the "official" new location of the tools, buildroot, and
> uclibc repositories?

They are still at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/ but are not getting much
TLC these days.  That location is as official as it gets.

These probably should be moved to github.com/nuttx, but that directory
of repositories are a mess now.  github.com/nuttx is an un-managed
free-for-all with many people having write access and no controls,
review, or accountability.   It is lawless and not to be trusted.  There
are some unknown, questionable, out-dated copies of some the
repositories you ask about there.  I would not recommend that anyone
consider using them.

I have argued in the past that the Apache NuttX team should take over
this directory of repositories and manage the non-Apache code just as we
manage the Apache code.  I think people tend to agree with that.

[Nathan Hartman]

I am wondering what happened to the discussion that happened very
early, before the incubator voted to accept our podling, when we were
told that sometimes exceptions are made allowing projects to host
well-known 3rd party code. Because the NuttX buildroot, mirror of
Kconfig-frontends, and other tools, are pretty important for this
project.

[Abdelatif Guettouche]

We also had the discussion after entering the incubator and if I'm not
mistaken mentors have said that it's possible to bring those
repositories under Apache.
Maybe we should take the initiative and try to move forward with this.

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[Nathan Hartman]

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Abdelatif Guettouche <abdelatif....@gmail.com> wrote:

We also had the discussion after entering the incubator and if I'm not
mistaken mentors have said that it's possible to bring those
repositories under Apache.
Maybe we should take the initiative and try to move forward with this.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 8:25 PM Nathan Hartman <hartman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am wondering what happened to the discussion that happened very
> early, before the incubator voted to accept our podling, when we were
> told that sometimes exceptions are made allowing projects to host
> well-known 3rd party code. Because the NuttX buildroot, mirror of
> Kconfig-frontends, and other tools, are pretty important for this
> project.

That is my recollection as well.

The question is: what do we have to do to move this forward?

Nathan

[Abdelatif Guettouche]

> The question is: what do we have to do to move this forward?

I suggest we start by creating a new thread with a clear title,
something like "Move GPL licensed repos "Buildroot, kconfig-front-ends
and tools" under Apache"
I believe Greg did this before but we only had a discussion, we didn't
reach an agreement.
This time, it's more of a heads up, unless someone has an objection.


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 11:08 PM Nathan Hartman

<hartman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 3:51 PM Abdelatif Guettouche <abdelatif....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We also had the discussion after entering the incubator and if I'm not
>> mistaken mentors have said that it's possible to bring those
>> repositories under Apache.
>> Maybe we should take the initiative and try to move forward with this.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 8:25 PM Nathan Hartman <hartman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I am wondering what happened to the discussion that happened very
>> > early, before the incubator voted to accept our podling, when we were
>> > told that sometimes exceptions are made allowing projects to host
>> > well-known 3rd party code. Because the NuttX buildroot, mirror of
>> > Kconfig-frontends, and other tools, are pretty important for this
>> > project.
>
>
>
> That is my recollection as well.
>
> The question is: what do we have to do to move this forward?
>
> Nathan
>

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[Abdelatif Guettouche]

Sorry, dropped the dev list..

 

> The question is: what do we have to do to move this forward?

I suggest we start by creating a new thread with a clear title,
something like "Move GPL licensed repos "Buildroot, kconfig-front-ends
and tools" under Apache"
I believe Greg did this before but we only had a discussion, we didn't
reach an agreement.
This time, it's more of a heads up, unless someone has an objection.

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[Abdelatif Guettouche]

I'm clicking the send button too fast... I meant we wait for some time (72 hours?) If no one has an objection we go ahead and create the new repos.

[Nathan Hartman]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 10:29 AM Abdelatif Guettouche
<abdelatif....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The question is: what do we have to do to move this forward?
>
> I suggest we start by creating a new thread with a clear title,
> something like "Move GPL licensed repos "Buildroot, kconfig-front-ends
> and tools" under Apache"
> I believe Greg did this before but we only had a discussion, we didn't
> reach an agreement.
> This time, it's more of a heads up, unless someone has an objection.

Would you like to start that thread (I'd recommend a [DISCUSS] in the
subject) or shall I?

Thanks,
Nathan

[Abdelatif Guettouche]

> Would you like to start that thread (I'd recommend a [DISCUSS] in the
subject) or shall I?

I did.

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