null - Organization structure and roadmap

[null Team]

Hi nulls,

We have been debating internally about this for a long time. The time has come now to make ourselves more structured and organized (more interesting is the fact that it is being announced today, coincidence or deliberate?). 

Anyway, jokes apart, there will be several changes in the organization and we will be bringing in external management to streamline our process. There will be certain awesome and not-so-awesome-sounding changes, but the overall goal is to upgrade ourselves and provide better services to the community.

Please welcome the new null management team:

1. Aniket Padhya, CTO

   Aniket brings in 2 decades of experience in managing security firms all around the globe. Prior to Joining null, he was the leading force behind Relaf security GmbH.

2. Sunil Wagador, CEO

   Sunil has been working with the law enforcement agencies within the country and abroad for the past 10 years and has been instrumental in solving many cyber crimes including terrorism.

3. Akash Mahajan - Director-operations

   Akash was instrumental in structuring the organization in the first place and has agreed to work full time for it. He will own all the community initiatives and operations.

4. Anant Shrivastava - Director-Training

  Anant has extensive experience in Application pen testing and security training. He has agreed to work full time for null and will handle all learning related activities. He is currently serving his notice period and will join us from May 2014

With that said there will be some changes for the betterment of the organization and the community.

1. All null meets and other sessions will be organized on self-funded venues from June onwards. Yes, we are going to lease our own spaces in all cities.

2. All the sessions will be paid from May onwards. Yes, we know it sucks, but due to heavy financial burdens and loans taken to manage the community, we have decided to do the wrong thing and ask people to pay for learning if they are satisfied. Sorry!

      Meet registration                - INR 200

     4 hrs session registration     - INR 1000

     Full day session registration -  

3. Our first international chapter in Bangkok (Yes, you heard it right) will be operational from next month. and will be managed by Murtuja Bharmal)

4. W3bd3vil has decided to step down from mailing list moderator role due to lack of time to manage the same and some legal threats for removing posts. This role will be managed by volunteers on a rotation basis. We thank you for volunteering for the same - Aseem Jakhar, Rahul Sasi, Vivek Ramachandran, Abhisek Datta and KK Mookhey.

5. We will also be starting official registration for members. The charges have been kept to a miminum. 

     Yearly Membership     - INR 1000

      Life time Membership - INR 7000

Benefits

     - Free Access to all null sessions

     - 30 % discounts in all partner Conferences

     - Full page on null website

     - Sharing your resume with all our partners

 For folks who are interested in becoming members we request you to kindly fill the form - https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1P9LYaSpyFlP7hBc-LlungezdtkBFRttnmMclVQm0bo0/viewform

With this we hope to become a leading name in the security Industry. Your support and good wishes will definitely play an important role in our success

Best Regards,
null Team

[prashant kv]

One word to sum this move...

Disappointing.

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[Neeraj Saini]

We would loose access to this mailing list if we don't take the membership?

[karniv0re]

Is there a group discount / corporate discount?

[Srinivas Naik]

G00GLY ST3P ... 

[TAS .]

Very disappointing.

[Sagar Belure]

+1 Prashant

+1 TAS

Disappointing...

Regards,
Sagar Belure

[Akash]

We have been doing this for almost 60 months non-stop. Almost all the chapters are struggling with community participation. A lot of folks attend, corporates come to attend and hire but overall support remains abysmally low.

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[Shobhit]

Its an April fool gimmic... Isn't it?

From my iphone

[Ankur Bhargava]

It took 30 mins for people to figure out??? :-p

[Akash]

More like it is the start of a brand new financial year.

Paper work is all done and today is the 1st day for us.

[Anil Aphale]

Great step by Null 

Best of luck :D

[Cyber Panther]

Very disappointing indeed. This will only lead security professionals away from null. Not to mention that we will see a drastic drop in new members. The idea of having a monthly meet is only to share knowledge and inspire people to take up info sec as a profession.

So will the volunteering speakers get a share of the money collected for the meets?

Regards
Prashanth 

sent from Nexus5

[Beenu Arora]

Highly disappointing, I thought this is an open source community *sigh*

Personally view, commercialisation is fine but you need to increment over the basics- not changing the foundation.

Upto you guys anyway!

[Akash]

Prashanth,

The volunteer part hasn't worked for us at all. The amount of effort that has been put in by all the chapter leaders, founders to create a community is back breaking to be frank. After all that we have seen that folks treat null like a free training resource and hardly ever give back.

It is so surprising that even to share on Facebook folks are stingy while enjoying some really good quality training for free.

Volunteer speakers turn up on time but attendees don't. Every person who is experienced in running communities told us that this is because you offer it for free.

So I don't think that volunteer part works in India.

[webDEViL]

For those of you disappointed, you can join me in my next adventure of pokemon hunting since the null mailing list will be for the rich.

http://youtu.be/4YMD6xELI_k

[Akash]

Honestly all the folks who are disappointed please feel free to start something new. I think you will realise that it is very intensive and extremely difficult to do that.

[abhinav singh]

beginning of the end!!

Thanks & Regards

Abhinav singh

[vijay patil]

I think this is right step hope this won't be a April fool stunt.

[Anant Shrivastava]

Training is booming with stupid companies charging crazy money for
courses and after offering great training and all the code for free,
nothing new has come out of the people attending. most of the folks
just attend and leave no one wants to share knowledge be a speaker or
wants to be a champion.

So help us try it the other way round where we are charging very
nominal cost (which if you compared with others is not even peanuts)
primarily used to cover our organizational expenses. and yes there
would be incentives for champions taking workshops and more incentives
could be thought on as we proceed with it.

Anant Shrivastava
Web : http://anantshri.info

[Rajesh A.]

Hi,

Overall structure looks decent but lacks a lot of transparency.

Will NULL pay to those who take the sessions 30 min/45min/humla/etc/etc. 

Will this email list going to be free ? OR How much charge per question/answer ?

like this lots of questions ... 

It came in the afternoon and google docs working so I dnt think this is AF2014.

It will be good there is a page with Q&A regarding this on null web. !

 

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:40 PM, vijay patil <vcpat...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Akash]

We finally have some decent money to spend on a good web dev company. 

Our web platform created by Abhisek will power our back end. 

We are very excited about this. 

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[Sagar Belure]

Well, CXO ppl looks promising though. :)

https://encrypted.google.com/#q=%22Sunil+Wagador%22
https://encrypted.google.com/#q=%22Aniket+Padhya%22

No hit on search engines ... must be low profile. ;)

Regards,
Sagar Belure

[Rahul Sasi]

Null crew and Garage4Hackers have been discussing on this for the past 2 months and we had to finally make this call. I personally agree with Nulls decision on this.  But few members from Garage community was totally against this move. And as a reason we are having some internal conflicts in Garage . The point is this was a tough decision but in the end you have to do what is better for the organization. 

Lets hope the new policies is beneficial. 

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Akash <akashm...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Anil Aphale]

+1 Rahul

Sometimes we have to take tough decisions but its for betterment of Indian Hacking Scene 

[I.m.DaD...]

But null is suppose to be open security community...

[Purplex]

Are there any discounts for students? :P

Sent from my Nexus2

[AMol NAik]

Hmmm ... so it came to an end. I'm sure this will be affect the attendance at meets.

And as there will be less ppl attending meets, there will be less ppl at Satya's :( caz most ppl came to meets to get drunk at Satya's (like me)

I think I'll start "Bar Meets" now .... and it will be FREE. 

Let me know who all are interested.

AMol NAik

On Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:56:00 UTC+5:30, null Team wrote:

Hi nulls,

We have been debating internally about this for a long time. The time has come now to make ourselves more structured and organized (more interesting is the fact that it is being announced today, coincidence or deliberate?). 

Anyway, jokes apart, there will be several changes in the organization and we will be bringing in external management to streamline our process. There will be certain awesome and not-so-awesome-sounding changes, but the overall goal is to upgrade ourselves and provide better services to the community.

Please welcome the new null management team:

1. Aniket Padhya, CTO

   Aniket brings in 2 decades of experience in managing security firms all around the globe. Prior to Joining null, he was the leading force behind Relaf security GmbH.

2. Sunil Wagador, CEO

   Sunil has been working with the law enforcement agencies within the country and abroad for the past 10 years and has been instrumental in solving many cyber crimes including terrorism.

3. Akash Mahajan - Director-operations

   Akash was instrumental in structuring the organization in the first place and has agreed to work full time for it. He will own all the community initiatives and operations.

4. Anant Shrivastava - Director-Training

  Anant has extensive experience in Application pen testing and security training. He has agreed to work full time for null and will handle all learning related activities. He is currently serving his notice period and will join us from May 2014

With that said there will be some changes for the betterment of the organization and the community.

1. All null meets and other sessions will be organized on self-funded venues from June onwards. Yes, we are going to lease our own spaces in all cities.

2. All the sessions will be paid from May onwards. Yes, we know it sucks, but due to heavy financial burdens and loans taken to manage the community, we have decided to do the wrong thing and ask people to pay for learning if they are satisfied. Sorry!

      Meet registration                - INR 200

     4 hrs session registration     - INR 1000

     Full day session registration -  

3. Our first international chapter in Bangkok (Yes, you heard it right) will be operational from next month. and will be managed by Murtuja Bharmal)

4. W3bd3vil has decided to step down from mailing list moderator role due to lack of time to manage the same and some legal threats for removing posts. This role will be managed by volunteers on a rotation basis. We thank you for volunteering for the same - Aseem Jakhar, Rahul Sasi, Vivek Ramachandran, Abhisek Datta and KK Mookhey.

5. We will also be starting official registration for members. The charges have been kept to a miminum. 

     Yearly Membership     - INR 1000

      Life time Membership - INR 7000

[Pushkar Pashupat]

So Amol... FREE...??? Bar Meets, i.e Amol Sponsored???

I am in for your bar meets for sure then... :)

But, null being paid...surely disappointing and i guess will result in end of the road in future... :( Sadly, a big difference and change in null in last two months... :(

(more importantly 145 unread mails... :(  in my inbox... )

regards

push

[Vaibhav Gupta]

Great step. All the best :-)

Cheers,

Vaibhav

[c0d3xpl0it]

Very Ok, Very Ok

The rate is too low as compared to BH/DC

Regards

@darkperpendicular

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[prashant kv]

bhai yeah April fool ka joke has kya? I am on vacation unable to read
full thread.

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[null]

The null mailing list will be free for all.
This decision was the most difficult one we had to take, but I strongly believe that is the right way to go if we have to sustain in the long run.

If you have any suggestions on how we can improve please shoot an email to in...@null.co.in.

Cheers,
@

Cheers,
@seem

[Pardhasaradhi Ch]

Hi

In one scenario its best to be paid rather than spreading knowledge in free when people are taking at ease i hope it wont be more expensive like SANS for the trainings provided but i think monthly sessions and mailing list should be free atleast..

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[Harshal]

April fool

[shruthi]

Nice effort to prank people! ;)

Regards
Shruthi

On Apr 1, 2014 4:54 PM, "Pardhasaradhi Ch" <pardhu1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

In one scenario its best to be paid rather than spreading knowledge in free when people are taking at ease i hope it wont be more expensive like SANS for the trainings provided but i think monthly sessions and mailing list should be free atleast..

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[prashant kv]

Baki sabh toh thek hai...dont tell me Bangkok wali baat bhi prank hai ;)

On Apr 1, 2014 10:32 PM, "Harshal" <harshal.j...@gmail.com> wrote:

April fool

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 4:52:41 PM UTC+5:30, babloo wrote:

Hi

In one scenario its best to be paid rather than spreading knowledge in free when people are taking at ease i hope it wont be more expensive like SANS for the trainings provided but i think monthly sessions and mailing list should be free atleast..

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[prajwal panchmahalkar]

where do i send my resume, can I get a job in Bang Kok ?

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[Tanuj Pathak]

Null tagline was everyone with open mind are invited. People who used to be new to security was directed to null. Now it will be a private coaching. But at the end of the day money matters.

[angshuk chakraborty]

LOL.. Good one

Regards,

Angshuk

[dns shetty]

I'd wait just to be sure that this is a april fool prank before wasting time writing a huge email in response to this :)

-dns

LOL.. Good one

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[null Team]

Alright Times Up!

Sing with us:

"Apreel Phool Banaya....

   To unko Gussa aya...."

Hope everyone enjoyed the little stunt :)

Regards,

null Team

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:56 PM, null Team <in...@null.co.in> wrote:

Hi nulls,

We have been debating internally about this for a long time. The time has come now to make ourselves more structured and organized (more interesting is the fact that it is being announced today, coincidence or deliberate?). 

Anyway, jokes apart, there will be several changes in the organization and we will be bringing in external management to streamline our process. There will be certain awesome and not-so-awesome-sounding changes, but the overall goal is to upgrade ourselves and provide better services to the community.

Please welcome the new null management team:

1. Aniket Padhya, CTO

   Aniket brings in 2 decades of experience in managing security firms all around the globe. Prior to Joining null, he was the leading force behind Relaf security GmbH.

2. Sunil Wagador, CEO

   Sunil has been working with the law enforcement agencies within the country and abroad for the past 10 years and has been instrumental in solving many cyber crimes including terrorism.

3. Akash Mahajan - Director-operations

[Akash]

I think the masterminds should own up and not hide behind a name like null Team.

I like being Director of Operations. I would like to continue using this as my designation. No more Community Manager.

I am sure in all companies a Direcotor trumps Manager every time!

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[Srinivas Naik]

Good Prank...

[Cyber Panther]

You sure did put a smile on my face

sent from Nexus5

[Sainath Gupta]

lol :P

[shruthi]

Hahahaha very creative idea of prank!! Akash & Anant awesome acting :p

[Anant Shrivastava]

Phew, So my one day of being a director ends. Anyways it was good fun
and I would again reiterate null will always be a free for all and we
it ever happens that there is a change in this stance i would be among
the first few to move out of the group.

So That put aside lets get back to work and discussing about Security.

Anant Shrivastava
Web : http://anantshri.info

[Akash]

Well the prank has ended. But I do hope that all those folks who expressed disappointment are going to take a bigger role and responsibilties in the functioning of null.

New and Exciting things coming soon

1. Website being upgraded to be mobile friendly, responsive and easier to read.

2. Automtion backend for easier management of events, workshops

3. Better organised recognition for volunteers, speakers, champions

4. Moving away from Google Analytics, completely over SSL etc.

On my 2nd day as Director of Operations all of this for free for the community for free :D

[AMol NAik]

Damn .... What about my "Bar Meets" ? 

:(

[Akash]

Please do go ahead.

We need all kinds of groups in the eco-system. :)

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[Anant Shrivastava]

I am in for Bar Meets till the we have chicken based dishes available.

Anant Shrivastava
Web : http://anantshri.info

[Rajesh A.]

Hi,

I would like thank you all who created that email and all followups. It was really mind opening for me.

This encouraged me a lot for sharing more than what I have done till now. Will be in touch with Bangalore chapter with all my enthusiasm from June onward ( I will start my schooling with NULL... now vacation ;) )

Thank You.

Regards.

Rajesh A.

[Nishanth Kumar]

we will do that also AMol :P

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[Rajesh A.]

Amol we will postpone that to next day of NULL ;) 

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[Cyber Panther]

We have them anyways :)
Satya is in business only because of us.

sent from Nexus5

[Shubham Mittal]

@Amol Bro: If you have concrete plans to set up 'Bar meets', I am in. :P

Shubham Mittal

Information Security Researcher

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[lesiah ng'ang'a]

haha sleek

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Tel:+254722554795

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[prasanna.k]

+1 Amol, You paying I am interested :p 

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:43 PM, AMol NAik <amol...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hmmm ... so it came to an end. I'm sure this will be affect the attendance at meets.

And as there will be less ppl attending meets, there will be less ppl at Satya's :( caz most ppl came to meets to get drunk at Satya's (like me)

I think I'll start "Bar Meets" now .... and it will be FREE. 

Let me know who all are interested.

AMol NAik

[Anant Shrivastava]

@prasanna for that you need to be in bangalore. This bar meet is
bangalore only till we find suitable wallet volunteers for other
cities.
@all If you are interested to be a wallet volunteer for bangalore or
other places please contact @amol naik.

Anant Shrivastava
Web : http://anantshri.info