x-rays - No joking please
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
Joel
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:58:41 GMT, "Vaughn"
<vaughnsimo...@att.fake.net> wrote:
>
>"madiba" <do...@thekraal.com> wrote in message
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>> No amount of ionising radiation is healthy.
>
> You won't find me in the "Ionizing Radiation Fan Club" but considering
>that ionizing radiation is apparently a component of the natural selection
>process and apparently contributes to genetic diversity, a case could be
>made that a small amount of radiation contributes to the health of the human
>race, if not individual humans.
>
>Vaughn
>
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to read.
Joel
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:43:02 -0500, "Carlo Hoskins"
<loho...@naxs.net> wrote:
>I have J..E..... blocked so I never see his posts -- makes SMD much better.
>It's a pity too because he has a quick wit, but couple that with his "no
>restraint" policy and he often comes off sounding juvenile. Besides, no
>matter what he says, he won't change me. Profanity appeals to me, but I
>generally reserve its use for little snivelling weasel types...if I haven't
>already blocked them. Just plonked Mandinka a few minutes ago.
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
needs and my own interests. Basically I learn from anyone else, but
mainly when their back is against the wall.
The people who are truly committed to their cause will respond to the
end ~ this even includes folks like Mr. Jan Drew who has been
extremely helpful in explaining to us how the "opposition" thinks.
This is valuable in my real-world duties ,,,,,,, I am prepared to
counter all forms of nonsense such as EAV - electrodermal screening
according to Voll, the "quasi-scientific" basis for anti root canal
rhetoric!
Joel M. Eichen
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:12:09 GMT, "Tony Bad"
<SpamSp...@bakedbeans.spam> wrote:
>I have come to the conclusion that my time would be better spent avoiding,
>instead of responding to people that irritate me. Real life has no killfile, so
>we are forced to deal with people that bugs us. Here, things are different, so I
>will take advantage of it and take better advantage of the ability to erase
>people from my virtual world.
>
>plonk...plonk...plonk...several new members of the dead letter file.
>
>T
>
>"Carlo Hoskins" <loho...@naxs.net> wrote in message
>news:10692705...@cache6.usenetserver.com...
>> I have J..E..... blocked so I never see his posts -- makes SMD much better.
>> It's a pity too because he has a quick wit, but couple that with his "no
>> restraint" policy and he often comes off sounding juvenile. Besides, no
>> matter what he says, he won't change me. Profanity appeals to me, but I
>> generally reserve its use for little snivelling weasel types...if I haven't
>> already blocked them. Just plonked Mandinka a few minutes ago.
>>
>> --
>> Carlo
>> Tony is one that makes it worthwhile.
>>
>> "Tony Bad" <SpamSp...@bakedbeans.spam> wrote in message
>> news:ZXLub.7258$nE6.1...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
>> >
>> > "Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:7ovmrv41o97nbfu57...@4ax.com...
>> > > Sorry I disagree. Graphic language has no place on usenet, in person,
>> > > or anywhere else.
>> > >
>> > > Joel
>> > >
>> > >
>> > Perhaps not, but when one takes time to respond to someone's question only
>> to
>> > have that answer picked at by a few anal retentive snipers, I can
>> understand
>> > that it would come to that....some people don't deserve to be treated
>> civilly or
>> > politely.
>> >
>> > I was going to add something about the irony of you commenting on proper
>> or
>> > appropriate
>> > content on the usenet...but I will try to conduct myself with more
>> restraint
>> > from now on.
>> >
>> > T
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
>Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry I disagree. Graphic language has no place on usenet, in person,
>> or anywhere else.
>>
>> Joel
>
>Not at all Joel, these two jokers show their true niveau when they
>resort to/approve of graphic language.. Sad.
REPLY:
We agree but I am missing the meaning of "niveau."
>
>
>> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:37:11 GMT, "Tony Bad"
>> <SpamSp...@bakedbeans.spam> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Carlo Hoskins" <loho...@naxs.net> wrote in message
>> >news:10692488...@cache6.usenetserver.com...
>> >>
>> >> I could also rephrase the whole shooting match and tell you to kiss my
>> >> ,,expletive deleted ,,,
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Carlo
>> >>
>> >
>> >That is what I wanted to say but couldn't find a way to put it as succinctly!
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
and 65 kVp machines. I have found that 95% of the dentists, dental
hygienists, and dental assistants who are certified to push the button
do not understand what ionization generators do.
Every x-ray exposure guide has 90 and 65 kVp listed with DIFFERENT
exposure times but people RESIST learning what it is.
Joel
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:32:40 +0100, do...@thekraal.com (madiba) wrote:
>Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >These are also called photons. A photon from an x-ray has a lot more
>> >energy than a photon from the sun. In fact a photon from an x-ray can
>> >ionize atoms. That can create quite a problem.
>>
>> Yup. Please see UVA and DNA repair issues too! Fortunately nature
>> knows how to fix these problems (most of the time!)
>
>The diff is the UVA is superficial, x-rays tend to go right through..
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
between. This is called the "strip-tease" theory of learning. It is
more interesting if its done a little at a time!
Joel
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:19:29 GMT, "Linda"
<lindaphi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Ha! This group cannot follow the "no joking" request if it's life depended
>on it.
>But nevertheless - excellent information and dialogue coming out here. Good
>work guys.
>Linda.
>
>"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:0s0krv01fjfbcmvn7...@4ax.com...
>> If its the dental assistant, maybe she's checking her makeup .....
>>
>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:17:34 GMT, "Vaughn"
>> <vaughnsimo...@att.fake.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>If so, why do they have to put a piece
>> >> of protection before your body? Why does the operator go
>> >> hide behind a wall?
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
"dentist-baiting" with crappola that you yourself purport to be the
truth!
Claiming "in de-NILE and ly-y-y-y-y-y-ing" are not functions of the
CDC, the NIH, the USPHS, the dental schools .....
Joel
>On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:52:58 -0600, sx...@sxpam.net wrote:
>>You are to be commended. So you are saying that the CDC and the EPA
>>are in de-NILE or they are lying. Wait! Jan where are you? We need
>>help here.
>>
>>Joel M. Eichen DDS
>
>That's a surprising response from a professional.
>
>Hey Susan,
>
>I questioned the use of panoramic X-rays when they first came out.
>After all, to the uninitiated it does give the feeling that one would
>glow in the dark after leaving the dentist's office.
>
>What I learned is that there are tradeoffs in most professions esp
>when they involve health.
>
>If you don't want the X-Rays, then the dentist will ask you to sign a
>waiver, because X-Rays are an extremely valuable tool for a dentist to
>discover small problems before they get big.
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:41:17 -0500, Brian <drmorri...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>sx...@sxpam.net wrote:
>
>
>>If you don't want the X-Rays, then the dentist will ask you to sign a
>>waiver, because X-Rays are an extremely valuable tool for a dentist to
>>discover small problems before they get big.
>
>A patient cannot consent to treatment which is below the standard of
>care.
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
pathology or absence thereof, can be lethal, as in hemangioma or
something!
Joel
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:39:48 -0600, sx...@sxpam.net wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:41:17 -0500, Brian <drmorri...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>sx...@sxpam.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If you don't want the X-Rays, then the dentist will ask you to sign a
>>>waiver, because X-Rays are an extremely valuable tool for a dentist to
>>>discover small problems before they get big.
>>
>>A patient cannot consent to treatment which is below the standard of
>>care.
>
>Are X-Rays required as standard care?
>
>Shortly after panoramic X-Rays came out a new dentist wanted a set on
>me. I just heard about X-Ray concerns, so I was uncomfortable with
>the big nozzle that was going to rotate around my jaw while everybody
>else scurried out of the room. I talked to the dentist. He was very
>considerate, described what he understood as the risk, showed me the
>waiver and explained how limiting the loss of those X-Rays would be in
>his diagnosis.
>
>I had a choice, so I made another appointment, went out to investigate
>it over the week and returned to let him take the pix. I appreciated
>his respect of my decision even though it may not have been his.
>
>I don't get this anal over things, but a few years prior, I had cobalt
>radiation treatments that were hell to go through. I wanted my
>concerns put at ease before I made an irrevocable decision.
>
>Mike
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:27:23 GMT, WB <no_...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:48:33 -0500, Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS <born...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
>
>>> >>If you don't want the X-Rays, then the dentist will ask you to sign a
>>> >>waiver, because X-Rays are an extremely valuable tool for a dentist to
>>> >>discover small problems before they get big.
>>> >
>>> >A patient cannot consent to treatment which is below the standard of
>>> >care.
>>>
>>> Are X-Rays required as standard care?
>>
>> X-rays appropriate to the situation are the standard of care. For
>>example, an extraction of any kind requires an x-ray. The patient cannot
>>sign a release absolving a dentist of responsibility for problems that could
>>have been forseen by x-ray. Any release signed by the patient in this
>>situation will not hold up in court.
>>
>>Steve
>
>
>Before this discussion progresses further some terms must be
>defined.
>
>Roentgen named the rays from the cathode tube as *X-Rays*
>due to their previously unknown presence and properties.
>
>What we as dentists review are the *Radiographs* which
>are made by exposing some type of sensor to *X-Rays*.
>
></soap box mode>
>
>WB
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
Joel
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:35:51 GMT, Marvin L. Zinn
<marvi...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Pay attention to exactly how these statements are made.
>Most likely what was REALLY said is, for example, that
>your dosage of radiation in a year is less than what
>you would get walking back and forth from your car
>every day. This statement could well be true because
>the total amount of radiation from x-rays occurs during
>a very short period of time (perhaps one second) and
>what is really important is the accumulated total over
>a much longer period.
>
>I have worked with nucleonic sources most of my life. I
>don't worry about occasional x-rays, but I would be
>concerned about more than one or two sets in a year.
>
> marvin
>
>
>Marvin L. Zinn
>Reply to: marvi...@mindspring.com
>Using Virtual Access
>Windows 2000 build 2600
madiba
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:32:28 +0100, do...@thekraal.com (madiba) wrote:
>
> >Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry I disagree. Graphic language has no place on usenet, in person,
> >> or anywhere else.
> >>
> >> Joel
> >
> >Not at all Joel, these two jokers show their true niveau when they
> >resort to/approve of graphic language.. Sad.
>
> REPLY:
>
> We agree but I am missing the meaning of "niveau."
try 'class' or 'colors' as synonyms.
> >> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:37:11 GMT, "Tony Bad"
> >> <SpamSp...@bakedbeans.spam> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Carlo Hoskins" <loho...@naxs.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:10692488...@cache6.usenetserver.com...
> >> >>
> >> >> I could also rephrase the whole shooting match and tell you to kiss my
> >> >> ,,expletive deleted ,,,
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Carlo
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >That is what I wanted to say but couldn't find a way to put it as
> > > > succinctly!
> >> >T
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