How do I create a plan to move to the cloud with my VM's?
David McSpadden
Philip Elder
Is this motivated by the VMware licensing change?
Lift & Shift is _the most expensive option_ of any out there.
It is frightfully expensive to put virtual machines into the pubic cloud.
If your current VMware environment is providing the outcomes the business needs then look into a Hyper-V based solution with the current hardware, or new hardware, as Hyper-V is _already included_ as a Role in Windows Server thus no additional licensing costs required.
Outcomes.
It’s important to look at this conundrum from that perspective.
Users clicking business making money. That’s our outcome.
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David McSpadden
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You have a pretty good list, but it’s unlikely that you can move *everything* to the cloud, so some of those items will likely stay.
Also “cost of network connectivity” – this doesn’t go away and will likely need to increase, and if it isn’t currently, become HA.
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Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife
All the math we’ve done shows that moving our VMs to Azure would exponentially increase our annual costs. Use ALL cost estimators and do your due diligence before moving to the cloud. And don’t forget the daily, ongoing costs, as well.
I think you did “something” wrong with that Azure migration tool. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything cost only $60/month…
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Philip Elder
TL;DR The public cloud will add 150% to 300% to the IT bill with a lift and shift. Easy. “Cost Analysis” is a thing because why?
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We amortize our solutions on 60 months. That’s the standard warranty period for all aspects of the hardware systems.
With the annual revenue number for the company, a ballpark is fine, we can establish cost per user across the board for any and all parity with public cloud offerings with the following caveat: Public Cloud quotes are never accurate.
The big things for cost consideration:
- CPU
- Memory
- Storage Volume
- Storage IOPS
- Storage Throughput
- Network Throughput
- Network Latency
- Site to Site
- Management
The last one is probably a left off the table because the assumption is that a single pain of glass (pun intended) with the public cloud is all one needs to manage the lot.
The reality: we did a cost comparison for a high availability solution that needed 500TB to 750TB of available storage with a requirement for 350K IOPS minimum to 1.5M IOPS average to 3M IOPS maximum across the solution life.
This particular company had a high five figure Azure credit via contractors they do business with. So, an experiment was run to see what it would cost them to put everything into Azure. The credit lasted 3 days and the estimate was about $1.7M per month. Yeah, per MONTH.
The public cloud being cheaper was never a myth it was, and is, an outright lie IMNSHO.
The higher the pie gets sliced, thus the push for containers, the more profitable the service is for the provider.
Those data centers are not cheap.
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Brian Illner
Or the expectation that the ubiquitous “Knowledge Transfer” simply from engaging outside assistance is just as good as actual training.
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Philip Elder
It doesn’t work that way eh?
There’s no silver bullet. Ain’t gonna knock it out of the park without the needed knuckle scraping and bloody foreheads. Training is definitely key to save the hours and litres of blood but one can do it by building it, breaking it, fixing it, and then tearing it all down and building it all back up again.
Old SBS (Small Business Server) rule of thumb: Install it three times. Break it. Install it again. Break it. Install it again.
Now I just do that with clusters of servers. ;0)
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Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife
This one is going to bite my org soon… they just procured Sailpoint, and I think the plan is to have Sailpoint send in a couple of guys to get it setup, but I don’t think there’s a plan to have staff work with them…
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Eric Levinson
We just completed a test with Azure VDI VM’s and its about 3 times the cost for about 1/3 the performance.
It runs us between $80 and $159 a month per VDI depending on the data center we choose.
However, CPU and ALU intensive tasks run much slower than an equivalently configured laptop or desktop system. Some won’t run at all.
Even for routine applications like MS Excel, some functions that work in a hardware laptop don’t even render in the VDI.
We were hoping to have better performance in the VDI but this is not the case.
Eric
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Moving to the cloud is not a cost saving move, that we found out. A lot of the CSU's are moving back because of the cost. If you already have a data center on prem then you better off staying. On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 7:35:43 AM UTC-7 Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife wrote:This one i |
Moving to the cloud is not a cost saving move, that we found out. A lot of the CSU's are moving back because of the cost. If you already have a data center on prem then you better off staying.
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This one is going to bite my org soon… they just procured Sailpoint, and I think the plan is to have Sailpoint send in a couple of guys to get it setup, but I don’t think there’s a plan to have staff work with them…
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Orlebeck, Geoffrey
FWIW (generally speaking), performance is rarely ever the driver for VDI—standardized user environment, non-persistence, etc. can be, but you are usually giving up some level of performance as a trade-off to the benefits. Yes, VDI can be faster depending on each unique use case, but most often VDI initiatives attempt to address a different problem set while maintaining acceptable levels of performance.
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