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Çons@32%
Feb 15, 2012, 7:15:15 PM2/15/12
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In light of this latest move . . . . after their introduction of changes to the OAS, the CPP,
their overt coziness with the Chinese, and the removal of the long gun registry, I wonder if I
will have to adjust my 'nym to a lower number still. . . .
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OTTAWA— The Canadian Press - Wednesday, Feb. 15, 2012
Facing backlash, Tories eye rewrite of online-surveillance bill
The Harper government signalled Wednesday it's open to softening a controversial bill that
would give authorities easier access to information about Internet users.
The shift came after a torrent of criticism about the legislation – including concerns from
some of its own MPs.
In the House of Commons, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said the bill would skip the
second-reading stage and be sent directly to committee – a move that would make it easier to
alter the content.
Generally bills only go to committee after receiving second reading, considered approval in
principle from the Commons.
After Question Period, Government House Leader Peter Van Loan said dispatching the bill to
committee now is a sign “that the government is open to a broad range of amendments in order to
get the right balance.”
The bill's tabling Tuesday touched off a heated debate about whether the measures unduly
violate privacy.
It would allow authorities access to Internet subscriber information – including name, address,
telephone number and email address – without first getting court approval. Currently, release
of such data, held by Internet service providers, is voluntary.
The government says the legislation is simply an attempt to bring the law into the 21st
century – a much-needed update to keep pace with child pornographers and other criminals who
prowl online.
Privacy advocates say the bill goes too far, giving the state Big Brother-like powers to peek
into people's online lives.
“We're hammering this bill and we're going to continue hammering this bill because this bill is
attacking some fundamental freedoms of Canadians,” said New Democrat MP Charlie Angus.
It became apparent Wednesday that some Conservative MPs share that uneasiness.
“I think it's too intrusive as it currently stands and does need to be looked at,” said Tory
John Williamson, a rookie MP from New Brunswick. “There's a lot of concern, I think, across the
country.”
Ontario Conservative MP David Tilson said he wants to be satisfied that if police are
eavesdropping on people, they have permission from a court. “If they don't have that, well then
I'll be concerned. So I want to hear more about it first.”
Veteran Alberta MP Rob Anders said “there's probably going to be amendments” to the bill.
He said there are likely ways to adjust the legislation so that police could swiftly deal with
child pornographers on the Internet while allowing for court-ordered warrants in other cases.
Mr. Angus said Mr. Toews is backpedalling because “he came in and stuck his finger in the
political socket and he's been thrown back.”
“We're standing with the privacy experts. And we're saying this is above and beyond the rule of
law and the minister has to stop hiding behind child victims. He has to come up and explain why
he wants to spy on Canadians.”
*******************************************************
"We CAN look after each other better than we do today.
We CAN have a fiscally responsible government.
We CAN have a strong economy; greater equality; a clean environment.
We CAN be a force for peace in the world." - Jack Layton
their overt coziness with the Chinese, and the removal of the long gun registry, I wonder if I
will have to adjust my 'nym to a lower number still. . . .
____________________________________
OTTAWA— The Canadian Press - Wednesday, Feb. 15, 2012
Facing backlash, Tories eye rewrite of online-surveillance bill
The Harper government signalled Wednesday it's open to softening a controversial bill that
would give authorities easier access to information about Internet users.
The shift came after a torrent of criticism about the legislation – including concerns from
some of its own MPs.
In the House of Commons, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said the bill would skip the
second-reading stage and be sent directly to committee – a move that would make it easier to
alter the content.
Generally bills only go to committee after receiving second reading, considered approval in
principle from the Commons.
After Question Period, Government House Leader Peter Van Loan said dispatching the bill to
committee now is a sign “that the government is open to a broad range of amendments in order to
get the right balance.”
The bill's tabling Tuesday touched off a heated debate about whether the measures unduly
violate privacy.
It would allow authorities access to Internet subscriber information – including name, address,
telephone number and email address – without first getting court approval. Currently, release
of such data, held by Internet service providers, is voluntary.
The government says the legislation is simply an attempt to bring the law into the 21st
century – a much-needed update to keep pace with child pornographers and other criminals who
prowl online.
Privacy advocates say the bill goes too far, giving the state Big Brother-like powers to peek
into people's online lives.
“We're hammering this bill and we're going to continue hammering this bill because this bill is
attacking some fundamental freedoms of Canadians,” said New Democrat MP Charlie Angus.
It became apparent Wednesday that some Conservative MPs share that uneasiness.
“I think it's too intrusive as it currently stands and does need to be looked at,” said Tory
John Williamson, a rookie MP from New Brunswick. “There's a lot of concern, I think, across the
country.”
Ontario Conservative MP David Tilson said he wants to be satisfied that if police are
eavesdropping on people, they have permission from a court. “If they don't have that, well then
I'll be concerned. So I want to hear more about it first.”
Veteran Alberta MP Rob Anders said “there's probably going to be amendments” to the bill.
He said there are likely ways to adjust the legislation so that police could swiftly deal with
child pornographers on the Internet while allowing for court-ordered warrants in other cases.
Mr. Angus said Mr. Toews is backpedalling because “he came in and stuck his finger in the
political socket and he's been thrown back.”
“We're standing with the privacy experts. And we're saying this is above and beyond the rule of
law and the minister has to stop hiding behind child victims. He has to come up and explain why
he wants to spy on Canadians.”
*******************************************************
"We CAN look after each other better than we do today.
We CAN have a fiscally responsible government.
We CAN have a strong economy; greater equality; a clean environment.
We CAN be a force for peace in the world." - Jack Layton
M.I. Wakefield
Feb 15, 2012, 7:29:10 PM2/15/12
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"Çons@32%" wrote in message news:WTX_q.1$I%6...@newsfe16.iad...
> In light of this latest move . . . . after their introduction of changes
> to the OAS,
What changes? The idea has been discussed, but nothing has been introduced.
> the CPP,
What changes? Nothing is even being discussed.
> their overt coziness with the Chinese,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QoA44c23A
> and the removal of the long gun registry,
Awwww! Poor Kkkaren. Her C-O-A-L-I-T-I-O-N not only failed, it had two
defectors.
> I wonder if I will have to adjust my 'nym to a lower number still. . . .
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> In light of this latest move . . . . after their introduction of changes
> to the OAS,
> the CPP,
What changes? Nothing is even being discussed.
> their overt coziness with the Chinese,
> and the removal of the long gun registry,
defectors.
> I wonder if I will have to adjust my 'nym to a lower number still. . . .
ÇOns@32% Çons@32%@can.ca 345 7.94%
ÇOns@36% Çons@36%@can.ca 43 0.99%
§PamĐUster §pamĐus...@cda.ca 6 0.14%
ÇOns®36% Çons®36%@can.ca 5 0.12%
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§PamßUster §pamßus...@not.ca 3 0.07%
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Çons@32%
Feb 16, 2012, 3:06:29 PM2/16/12
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> "Çons@32%" wrote in message news:WTX_q.1$I%6...@newsfe16.iad...
>
>> In light of this latest move . . . . after their introduction of changes to the OAS, the
>
>> CPP,
"M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote in message
news:n5Y_q.247270$624.1...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> What changes? The idea has been discussed, but nothing has been introduced.
You need to stop reading your homosexual newsgroups and get up-to-date on Canadian politics, ya
dumb animal.
[THIS IS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STUPID]
"Changes to the Canada Pension Plan"
The Canada Pension Plan (CPP) is adapting to better reflect how Canadians choose to live, work,
and retire. Changes started in 2011 and are being gradually introduced until 2016."
M.I. Wakefield
Feb 16, 2012, 3:39:40 PM2/16/12
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"Çons@32%" wrote in message news:Ikd%q.968$kq7...@newsfe10.iad...
> "M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote in message
> news:n5Y_q.247270$624.1...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> > What changes? The idea has been discussed, but nothing has been
> > introduced.
> You need to stop reading your homosexual newsgroups and get up-to-date on
> Canadian politics, ya dumb animal.
Sorry hater, I only read can.politics and alt.politics on a regular basis.
> [THIS IS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STUPID]
>
> "Changes to the Canada Pension Plan"
> The Canada Pension Plan (CPP) is adapting to better reflect how Canadians
> choose to live, work, and retire. Changes started in 2011 and are being
> gradually introduced until 2016."
Old news ... introduced in 2009 ... your claim was that CPP changes were
being introduced, implying something new.
Oh, and once again, you totally fucked up your editing of the message I was
replying to.
> "M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote in message
> news:n5Y_q.247270$624.1...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> > What changes? The idea has been discussed, but nothing has been
> > introduced.
> You need to stop reading your homosexual newsgroups and get up-to-date on
> Canadian politics, ya dumb animal.
> [THIS IS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STUPID]
>
> "Changes to the Canada Pension Plan"
> The Canada Pension Plan (CPP) is adapting to better reflect how Canadians
> choose to live, work, and retire. Changes started in 2011 and are being
> gradually introduced until 2016."
being introduced, implying something new.
Oh, and once again, you totally fucked up your editing of the message I was
replying to.
Çons@32%
Feb 16, 2012, 6:54:38 PM2/16/12
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> "Çons@32%" wrote in message news:Ikd%q.968$kq7...@newsfe10.iad...
>> You need to stop reading your homosexual newsgroups and get up-to-date on Canadian politics,
>> ya dumb animal.
>> ya dumb animal.
"M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote in message
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> Sorry hater, I only read can.politics and alt.politics on a regular basis.
Then these must all be errors on the part of Google . . . .
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You've been attracted to homosexuality for quite a few years, haven't you, "Wakefield"? Or
should I say, 'Schild' ?
M.I. Wakefield
Feb 16, 2012, 7:26:35 PM2/16/12
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"�ons@32%" wrote in message news:zGg%q.1146$cL...@newsfe17.iad...
> "M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote in message
> news:gQd%q.45418$u06....@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> > Sorry hater, I only read can.politics and alt.politics on a regular
> > basis.
>
> Then these must all be errors on the part of Google . . . .
Awww, you're stalking me too.
You better make your move Eric!
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A little checking would reveal that most of those messages were cross-posted
to can.politics ... and for the older ones, ont.politics.
And yes, I used to frequently post to alt.tasteless ... but that group has
been dying for some time ...
> You've been attracted to homosexuality for quite a few years, haven't you,
> "Wakefield"?
I'm against the bigots, like J, if that's what you mean. I also take shots
at the neo-nazis.
Obviously these positions offend you ... which marks you as a very sad
little person.
> Or should I say, 'Schild' ?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> "M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote in message
> news:gQd%q.45418$u06....@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> > Sorry hater, I only read can.politics and alt.politics on a regular
> > basis.
>
> Then these must all be errors on the part of Google . . . .
You better make your move Eric!
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A little checking would reveal that most of those messages were cross-posted
to can.politics ... and for the older ones, ont.politics.
And yes, I used to frequently post to alt.tasteless ... but that group has
been dying for some time ...
> You've been attracted to homosexuality for quite a few years, haven't you,
> "Wakefield"?
at the neo-nazis.
Obviously these positions offend you ... which marks you as a very sad
little person.
> Or should I say, 'Schild' ?
Çons@32%
Feb 16, 2012, 7:29:39 PM2/16/12
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"M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote in message
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> Awww, you're stalking me too.
Nope. Just making you out a liar, "Wakefield".
M.I. Wakefield
Feb 16, 2012, 8:08:54 PM2/16/12
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"Çons@32%" wrote in message news:nbh%q.340$np3...@newsfe05.iad...
> "M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote in message
> news:09h%q.297481$j02.2...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> > Awww, you're stalking me too.
>
> Nope. Just making you out a liar, "Wakefield".
Hardly, idiot ... you're just reporting where my posts end up being
cross-posted ... not where I read on a regular basis.
I'd explain the difference, but there's no hope of getting you to understand
simple logic if you can't handle basic math:
65 * 75 million = 4,875 million = 4.875 billion
... not 49 billion as you claimed earlier.
> "M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote in message
> news:09h%q.297481$j02.2...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> > Awww, you're stalking me too.
>
> Nope. Just making you out a liar, "Wakefield".
cross-posted ... not where I read on a regular basis.
I'd explain the difference, but there's no hope of getting you to understand
simple logic if you can't handle basic math:
65 * 75 million = 4,875 million = 4.875 billion
... not 49 billion as you claimed earlier.
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