[NPA Chat] Relativity violated by Einstein

[Roger Anderton]

Relativity violated by Einstein?

 

Einstein supposedly amazed us with adding two postulates together and deriving some amazing results.

 

So, lets look at another amazing result-

 

1. Consider first the Relativity Principle without the second postulate-

 

Relativity Principle was for two inertial observers -  if an inertial Observer A observes velocity v of B then inertial Observer B observes velocity v of A in the opposite direction..

 

So let us consider light-

 

Observer A observes light with velocity c.

 

then by relativity for an observer B at rest in the frame of the light, then B should observe A with velocity c in the opposite direction.

 

This note -  is the application of Relativity.

 

Of course Einstein decides to change that in SR, so lets consider SR

 

                 2. Consider SR

 

Einstein decides to change things  from (1) – observer A might observe light travelling at c, but there is not supposed to be a rest frame for observer B with respect to light. So no observer B observing A.

 

This is quite an amazing result. So lets look at it in more detail.

 

               3. Einstein thoughts

 

Einstein tries lots of different things. If Einstein is genuinely doing that of (2) then he is violating Relativity. Namely if claiming - there is a speed c that  observer A observing of B, but B is not supposed to be able to observe A.

 

So why did Einstein not start from  thought experiment of this setup of -- A observes B as c and B observes A as c in the opposite direction?

 

He started from some other thought experiment setup – that immediately violated relativity— relativity  he assumed true, and seemingly immediately jettisioned.

 

So, we have from Einstein – that A will claim time has stopped for B when vel = c.

 

But by Einstein for relativity – an observer in B will say reciprocal that A time has stopped.

 

The way its presented is that from A frame there is no observer in B, because time is not passing for him; no time passing so no ability to make observations therefore no observer.

 

But if there were an observer in B then he would be claiming that of A.

 

Thus by relativity – we have A claiming B does not exist and B claiming A does not exist; therefore A and B do not exist by relativity principle.

 

So we have –

 

(a)    observers do not exist

or

(b) Einstein considers a setup that does not exist according to relativity.

 

Either way—another truly amazing consequence of Einstein’s SR.

 

And for the observers that do not believe in SR, another truly amazing thing to observe Einstein fans having to believe.

 

c.RJAnderton2010-12-30

 

 

 

 

 

[Hartwig Thim]

Roger,
excellently described. I am not surprized that you have found that contradiction. The LTs will in all cases or automatically run into
contradictions.
How will the advocates of Relativity ever get out of this tragedy or, better, get out of this tragicomedy. I hope not by suicide, because that would drastically reduce the world's population.
Hartwig
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> Datum: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:08:58 -0000
> Von: "Roger Anderton" <r.j.an...@btinternet.com>
> An: "NPA Members Chat Email" <membe...@worldnpa.org>
> Betreff: [NPA Chat] Relativity violated by Einstein

> Relativity violated by Einstein?
>
>
>
> Einstein supposedly amazed us with adding two postulates together and
> deriving some amazing results.
>
>
>
> So, lets look at another amazing result-
>
>
>

> 1.. Consider first the Relativity Principle without the second

> postulate-
>
>
> Relativity Principle was for two inertial observers - if an inertial
> Observer A observes velocity v of B then inertial Observer B observes velocity
> v of A in the opposite direction..
>
>
>
> So let us consider light-
>
>
>
> Observer A observes light with velocity c.
>
>
>
> then by relativity for an observer B at rest in the frame of the light,
> then B should observe A with velocity c in the opposite direction.
>
>
>
> This note - is the application of Relativity.
>
>
>
> Of course Einstein decides to change that in SR, so lets consider SR
>
>
>
> 2. Consider SR
>
>
>

> Einstein decides to change things from (1) - observer A might observe

> light travelling at c, but there is not supposed to be a rest frame for
> observer B with respect to light. So no observer B observing A.
>
>
>
> This is quite an amazing result. So lets look at it in more detail.
>
>
>
> 3. Einstein thoughts
>
>
>
> Einstein tries lots of different things. If Einstein is genuinely doing
> that of (2) then he is violating Relativity. Namely if claiming - there is a
> speed c that observer A observing of B, but B is not supposed to be able
> to observe A.
>
>
>
> So why did Einstein not start from thought experiment of this setup of --
> A observes B as c and B observes A as c in the opposite direction?
>
>
>

> He started from some other thought experiment setup - that immediately
> violated relativity- relativity he assumed true, and seemingly immediately
> jettisioned.
>
>
>
> So, we have from Einstein - that A will claim time has stopped for B when
> vel = c.
>
>
>
> But by Einstein for relativity - an observer in B will say reciprocal that

> A time has stopped.
>
>
>
> The way its presented is that from A frame there is no observer in B,
> because time is not passing for him; no time passing so no ability to make
> observations therefore no observer.
>
>
>
> But if there were an observer in B then he would be claiming that of A.
>
>
>

> Thus by relativity - we have A claiming B does not exist and B claiming A

> does not exist; therefore A and B do not exist by relativity principle.
>
>
>

> So we have -

>
>
>
> (a) observers do not exist
>
> or
>
> (b) Einstein considers a setup that does not exist according to
> relativity.
>
>
>

> Either way-another truly amazing consequence of Einstein's SR.

>
>
>
> And for the observers that do not believe in SR, another truly amazing
> thing to observe Einstein fans having to believe.
>
>
>
> c.RJAnderton2010-12-30
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[Roger Anderton]

Hartwig

 

Yes  by their math they arrive at contradictions, but they welcome the contradictions and call them paradoxes. They fail to recognise the contradictions for what they really are, and think they have made some profound insight into physical reality. 

 

The human race is just sad-- because the general public is then given the propaganda that these idiots are clever.

 

Roger

[Hartwig Thim]

Roger,
I see some hope for them: suppose they mix with MARS people or with some Orangs that could help them as minus times minus is plus or Zero times Zero could become 1.
Hartwig
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> Datum: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:50:48 -0000

> Von: "Roger Anderton" <r.j.an...@btinternet.com>
> An: "NPA Members Chat Email" <membe...@worldnpa.org>

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