Re: Gravity simply the electrostatic force

[Franklin Hu]

At least there were a few responses before the closed it down.

There was the objection that gravity is dependent upon mass quantity. I would say this is true because there is an equilibrium condition which determines the amount of net charge any astronomical object will have. Therefore, there will be a proportionality between the quantity of mass and the quantity of charge displacement.

Also, they did not recognize that the electrostatic force is not always just like repel and opposites attract. The attraction of neutral matter to a point charge is not recognized. So gravity can be a one-way force similar to gravity which doesn't rely upon opposites.

It is true that in order for planets to be attracted to the sun, they would all have to be similarly charged (all positive) and all would repel each other. In fact the planets would have to be repelled from the sun. However, I think this is part of why gravitational orbits are stable since there is an interaction of repulsion and attraction such that if something perturbs and orbit and causes a planet to spiral inward, the repelling force will cause to stop and restore a stable orbit. This is the only way that stable systems that can be created where an object finds a stable condition between two opposing forces. If it were just gravity against the centripetal force, this would be a knife edge balance that would be quickly upset.

One of the responses incorrectly say that the neutral attraction can only create a torque. This is clearly wrong as neutral objects are clearly attracted due to a net force to a charged source. This is easily demonstrated in my videos and is well accepted in physics as the dilectrophoric force.

-Franklin

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 03:47:34 AM PDT, Balaji Dasarathy <balaji.d...@yahoo.com> wrote:

hi Franklin,

I posted this question on the form to see what others think: 

Is Gravity Just the Electrostatic Force?

As expected, the gatekeepers of the religion of "Scientism" closed down that thread and no more replies are accepted!

regards,

B

Is Gravity Just the Electrostatic Force? I read this paper and this is iindeed a very interesting hypothesis. The implications of this theory if true are...

On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 18:21:24 BST, Balaji Dasarathy <balaji.d...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Franklin 

Good to hear from you.  I hear your frustration. This is in fact the best explanation of gravity I have read. I have also seen anti gravity demonstrations by giving an object a +ve charge to make it levitate!

May I ask what is your educational background and job at the moment? I am head of cyber security at a bank but love my physics.

Your paper also provides an explanation for why the inertial mass is proportional to the gravitational force !  How did you come up with this theory? I'm super interested!

We should collaborate to do some practical experiments to prove this. 

Regards

Balaji 

-------- Original message --------

From: Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>

Date: 18/07/2022 16:37 (GMT+00:00)

To: Balaji Dasarathy <balaji.d...@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Gravity simply the electrostatic force

Balaji,

Thanks for your interest.

Unfortunately, no, this has been out there for quite some time and you're the first email I have gotten on it in years. 

It is really quite frustrating, I know people are reading the paper and the implications are enormous, but all I get is radio silence. I can't explain it since I really haven't gotten any serious arguments against it either. People just nod their head and say "uh huh" and then go on their merry way as if it had just bounced off their head.

-Franklin Hu

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:47:16 AM PDT, Balaji Dasarathy <balaji.d...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello

I am from London , United Kingdom. 

I came across your brilliant paper https://franklinhu.com/NPA20GravityElectric.pdf

This is very promising and I am super interested! 

Have you had any traction on this theory and further observations? 

The implications of this theory if true are enormous. 

Kind regards

Balaji 

[Franklin Hu]

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From: Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>

To: Balaji Dasarathy <balaji.d...@yahoo.com>

Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 08:24:35 AM PDT

Subject: Re: Gravity simply the electrostatic force

That's an amazing demonstration. I would like to see a better explanation of how that was made. Does he have any website descriptions?

I tried measuring the neutral matter attraction force, but it came out looking 1/r or linear instead of 1/r^3 or 1/r^2. However, to tell the difference between the 3 takes very large r (like r x 10) and it is difficult to get accurate measurements out to those distances. I tried using a charged PVC pipe to lift up tiny bits of aluminum. Initially, I got 1/r^2 because the aluminum was getting inductively charged to the opposite charge. I then suspended the aluminum on a non-conductive whisker and got the 1/r result.

The real question is, why isn't this a standard part of the physics text book description of electrostatics? This force is simply ignored.

I think it would be a simple matter of taking the ping pong ball apparatus typically used to measure 1/r^2 forces and just not charge one of the balls.

-Franklin

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 09:31:51 AM PDT, Balaji Dasarathy <balaji.d...@yahoo.com> wrote:

This is a video of an object levitating using a +ve charge from a Van DeGraff generator: 

https://youtu.be/1JeeaZlYonc

Also, in your paper you mention the below

"

All electrostatics experiments described in standard

physics textbooks only mention finding the force between oppositely charged objects and never between a charged and neutral

object. If the mechanism behind the attraction is dielectrophoresis, then it has been calculated that the force relationship should

be 1/r3 which is different from gravity which should be 1/r

2.

However, calculations cannot replace physical experiments. Dielectrophoresis still depends on charges separating within large

molecules. Since gravity is directly related to mass, the electrostatic force would have to work on the individual dipoles contained within each atom. If the hypothesis that gravity is caused

by the electrostatic force is true, then a prediction of this hypothesis is that you would observe a 1/r^2 force which depended

only on the mass of the neutral object. This is an actual experiment which could be performed to confirm this hypothesis."

Have you seen any experiments on that shows the decay of electrostatic force between a +ve charged object and a neutral one decays at 1/r^2 and proportional to only the mass of the neutrally charged object? You say an actuall experiment can be performed - any reference to this?


regards,

Balaji

On Tuesday, 19 July 2022 at 16:29:55 BST, Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I'd be interested in seeing such demonstrations. I have done some limited experiments levitating bubbles with a Van DeGraff generator. Are there any on YouTube?

My educational background is computer science at MIT. I work as a software engineer at SAP Concur.

Probably blazelabs.com was very influential in determining that gravity is an electrostatic force (the website doesn't seem to be up anymore)

-Franklin

[Franklin Hu]

Thanks for the videos. I think the "lifter" type experiments are really driving the aether. I don't think the type of very quick movement could be attributed to "air currents" generated by the ionization. 

Extracting electricity out of the atmosphere usually requires a great deal of distance between the harvesting wire and ground. I'm not sure how the dish shaped device is working since it doesn't have much distance to the ground. Although the amount of current you can get from this is quite limited, so I don't think we'll be powering our houses with anything like this.

-Franklin

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 05:39:58 AM PDT, Balaji Dasarathy <balaji.d...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Another cool anti-gravity demonstration 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006d36WWyaQ

On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 17:00:23 BST, Balaji Dasarathy <balaji.d...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Franklin,, 

Yes, its an amazing demonstration! I will try to look for a website with the instructions. 

You will also be interested in this demonstration of free energy by exploiting the voltage gradient between the surface of the earth and a higher level to power a clock 👇

В поисках свободной энергии ( часть 1 )

В поисках свободной энергии ( часть 1 )

I suspect they don't want to teach such things because energy can be freely extracted. The electrostatic charge of the earth, the voltage gradient etc. can be used to power entire towns and cities rather than using crap solar panels or even fossil fuels. 

regards,

Balaji

[Balaji Dasarathy]

Have a look at this video at around 21 minutes. Little anti-gravity craft! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBrx4O10XkI&t=1369s

[Balaji Dasarathy]

Hi Franklin,

Hope you're well?

I just thought about this paper today. 

What do you think of an experiment like this: 

Drop a 1L bottle of heavy water (H2O2) and regular water (H2O). If gravity is simply the electrostatic force then the heavy water must accelerate faster than regular water during free fall? Of course, we rule out air friction etc. 

I can't think of a more simpler experiment to test your hypothesis. Do you have any such ideas?

Regards,
Bal