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Dear All, 

Mr. Ram has got my one of papers published in a peer-reviewed journal, on the basis of which I have put forward the open challenge, evaluated by Gemini.ai (Artificial intelligence) and he has got it circulated also. Those members of the forum who know physics may go through the evaluation report as I will give a befitting reply to the report in a few days time. Your comments are welcome which too will be replied. 
Lastly I will like to inform you that evaluation report cannot be treated as rebuttal because my papers are published in peer-reviewed journals and rebuttal also has to be published in a peer-reviewed journal. Besides I will like to inform you that falsehood will remain falsehood even if falsehood may have established itself as truth even for more than a century. 

With best regards
Mohammad Shafiq Khan (IFS)
M. SC(physics)M.Sc(forestry)
Ex. Director, Writer, Scientist, Philosopher and above all a philanthropist. 

On Sun, Aug 31, 2025, 7:00 PM <npa-rel...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 30 09:46PM +0800

David,
 
What's wrong with just using Coulomb's law?
 
You also are just dodging the problem that your spinning dipoles are highly unstable.
 
Franklin
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Aug 30, 2025, at ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 30 09:55PM +0800

Cornelis,
 
Mainstream science has no concensus on the substance of space, so I'm not sure what you're going by.
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Aug 30, 2025, at 2:37 PM, Cornelis Verhey ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 30 09:59PM +0800

Cornelis,
 
Electron A passes by electron B and exerts a force on it to deflect it away. Newtonian dynamics require that energy is required to generate that force.
 
So where did electron B get that ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 30 10:05PM +0800

Frank,
 
I guess you have the company of Roger M who also doesn't believe in electrons and gravity despite very clear evidence which he does not bother to refute.
 
Like Roger, you completely loose ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 30 10:11PM +0800

Carl,
 
No, I have the poselectron sea filling up space.
 
I think it is Akinbo who advocates for a true geometric void of absolute nothingness.
 
Roger M is just saying the few atom in space grow ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 30 10:15PM +0800

What insult? Sounded like a reasonable answer to me. I personally don't think space is curved.
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Aug 27, 2025, at 9:08 PM, Cornelis Verhey <verhey....@gmail.com> wrote: ...more
David Tombe <siri...@yahoo.com>: Aug 30 03:49PM

Hi Franklin,                  No. I haven't dodged that problem.
                  And by the way, you need more that Coulomb's law to make a lattice stable. You are forgetting ...more
Carl Reiff <cre...@elgenwave.com>: Aug 30 08:52AM -0700

Franklin,
 
You, yourself, have said the positrons and electrons are hard little
balls.  Even packed as tightly as possible (which, of course, makes any
motion impossible), there is still void - ...more
Frank Fernandes <aith...@gmail.com>: Aug 30 10:07PM +0530

Franklin
Your not from a science background. That is why you have no clue. Electron
mass is a measure which is quite different from what you infer. And gravity
g is acceleration. Your emailing ...more
Cornelis Verhey <verhey....@gmail.com>: Aug 30 10:07AM -0700

Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of
relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense,
therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general ...more
r.j.an...@btinternet.com r.j.an...@btinternet.com <r.j.an...@btinternet.com>: Aug 30 06:17PM +0100

according to AI - Einstein is ambiguous led to two legacies-
1.new ether as metric field
2. neo-Lorentzian ether
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Frank Fernandes <aith...@gmail.com>: Aug 30 01:34PM -0400

All,
Fernandes 186-Ether was detected and gone unnoticed. At 144GeV. Here is one
slide presented by me to the mainstream.
[image: image.png]
Franklin say this in words, Tell us .... ...more
Cornelis Verhey <verhey....@gmail.com>: Aug 30 11:47AM -0700

Franklin
 
They are not seperate discrete particles. They are each volumetrically
resonant point focused wave patterns in a nonlinear elastic medium. Their
extended patterns overlap, interacting ...more
Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Aug 30 07:20PM

Franklin,
Given how tightly packed the poselectrons in your house and those outside your house are, with very little void between them, how do you want to get them out of the way so you can open your ...more
Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Aug 30 07:25PM

Franklin,
Unless you believe in action-at-a-distance through nothingness, since both electrons A and B are hard little balls, how can they exert force on themselves without touching, since you say ...more
Roger Munday <munda...@gmail.com>: Aug 31 08:53AM +1200

Consider the number of atoms per cc, i.e. 2.5 x 10*19* at sea level in the
Earth’s atmosphere, which is an *inconcievable* number of atoms.
 
The Earth’s atmosphere, i.e. its inherent atoms ...more
Cornelis Verhey <verhey....@gmail.com>: Aug 30 02:56PM -0700

Akinbo and All,
 
The *Cosmic Microwave Background* (CMB) is indeed capable of serving as
"identifiable markers to measure velocity against." You are correct that it
is not a collection of ...more
Cornelis Verhey <verhey....@gmail.com>: Aug 30 03:43PM -0700

https://g.co/gemini/share/2bfb53419b1d
 
I like this more descriptive interpretation better than the ambiguous
 
"
according to AI - Einstein is ambiguous led to two legacies-
 
...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 31 08:30AM +0800

Roger,
 
A single atom in your theory can or cannot expand to an arbitrary size to mediate gravity in interstellar space, far from any planets with atmospheres?
 
Please answer if an atom can expand ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 31 08:39AM +0800

Akinbo,
 
I think you confuse your own theory of true void space with my poselectron theory which says that space is filled with a very dense sea of positron/electron particles. The electrons create ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 31 08:53AM +0800

You could ask the same question about the very dense atmosphere we have on the Earth. Why isn't that blocking the door and how are they getting out of the way. I think anyone can see how things easily ...more
Frank Fernandes <aith...@gmail.com>: Aug 30 09:24PM -0400

All,
Here is an exact description of the substance that comprises the Universe.
Which cannot be refuted. An Empirical model.
In terms of mass, length and frequency. In terms of NIST definitions of ...more
Frank Fernandes <aith...@gmail.com>: Aug 30 10:05PM -0400

All,
Q] How can anyone input Newton's G to describe gravity in a section of the
Universe? And blatantly mislead by concluding the G changes. Total rubbish.
 
NOTE: Newton's G is for a two body ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 31 02:27PM +0900

Cornelis,
 
It doesn't matter what they are, they must still obey energy conservation laws. Even as waves, an additional energy source beyond that existing in the standing wave is required in order ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 31 02:43PM +0900

Carl,
 
I'm not sure what Roger M believes.
 
Logically and philosophically, there is either a true void or there isn't. Experimentally, we see vacuum space as having properties, so it cannot be a ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 31 02:53PM +0900

Yes, you continue to dodge the problem that spinning dipoles are not stable.
 
Earnshaws law only applies to stable static arrangements, not to random gas type arrangements.
 
With only Coulomb's ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 31 04:36PM +0900

Andy
 
It could be particles or it could be continuous.
 
One of us is wrong.
 
I would argue that if it is truly continuous, then there are no gaps where normal matter could move through. ...more
Franklin Hu <frank...@yahoo.com>: Aug 31 04:44PM +0900

Akinbo,
 
No, mass is certainly not intrinsic as it can vary upon the environmental conditions. It is well documented that mass changes with velocity. It has also been observed that the electron mass ...more
r.j.an...@btinternet.com r.j.an...@btinternet.com <r.j.an...@btinternet.com>: Aug 31 10:06AM +0100

Gemini just not recognising it as ambiguous - Einstein is NOT making
statement that new ether is spacetime. When I read what Einstein writes
- to me it is ambiguous. 
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r.j.an...@btinternet.com r.j.an...@btinternet.com <r.j.an...@btinternet.com>: Aug 31 10:11AM +0100

einstein use of the word ether is ambiguous - answer yes or no
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yes.
 
 
 
 
einstein use of the word ether is ambiguous - answer yes or no
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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r.j.an...@btinternet.com r.j.an...@btinternet.com <r.j.an...@btinternet.com>: Aug 31 10:12AM +0100

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To: npa-rel...@googlegroups.com Cc: frank...@yahoo.com;
ta...@hotmail.com; andre...@gmail.com; cre...@elgenwave.com; ...more
r.j.an...@btinternet.com r.j.an...@btinternet.com <r.j.an...@btinternet.com>: Aug 31 11:09AM +0100

After long discussion with Gemini it eventually agrees with me that what
Einstein said was ambiguous.
 
i.e. Gemini changes its mind and says it is ambiguous because of the
points I raised
  ...more
Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Aug 31 11:46AM

Long and short of quote, the medium is continuous and not particulate. It is also motionless but can serve as a standard for things that can move. Welcome back to Newton’s absolute space. ...more
Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Aug 31 11:53AM

Cornelis,
 
Re: “This is why the CMB is considered a unique rest frame for cosmological measurements, but it is not an absolute rest frame.”
 
When quoting from AI, please indicate so, to avoid ...more
Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Aug 31 12:01PM

Franklin,
 
Re: “The electrons create waves which spread across the distance and that is how they interact”
 
Waves in what? Please listen to yourself.
 
 
 
Re: “So, the question actually ...more
Akinbo Ojo <ta...@hotmail.com>: Aug 31 12:29PM

Franklin,
 
Re: “You could ask the same question about the very dense atmosphere we have on the Earth. Why isn’t that blocking the door and how are they getting out of the way.”
...more
Shafiq Khan <shaf...@gmail.com>: Aug 31 09:49AM +0530

Following reply to the Gemini.ai observations made my Mr.Ram Lakhan Panday
on my Rebuttal paper will be of great help to you all. The rebuttal paper
is attached herewith.
Rebuttal to Lann N. ...more
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