nprint

toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 2, 2002, 10:27:21 PM6/2/02

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Is it like ncopy, that is, the file will not be read into the
workstation first before being sent to the print queue at the server?

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Felton Green

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Jun 2, 2002, 11:33:01 PM6/2/02

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Hi

nprint is used to print to a queue...and the workstation setup will
control, in large part, how the print job is handled.

The server setup will also control the setup...

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toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 2, 2002, 11:58:26 PM6/2/02

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I just was not sure whether the content of the file would be copied from
the server to the memory of the workstation before being spooled by the
server again. I guessed nprint will work just like ncopy.

> nprint is used to print to a queue...and the workstation setup will
> control, in large part, how the print job is handled.

Dave Kearns-NSCV

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Jun 3, 2002, 12:07:08 PM6/3/02

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"toylet [mozilla user]" <toy...@hongkong.com> wrote in message
news:3CFAE941...@hongkong.com...

> I just was not sure whether the content of the file would be copied
from
> the server to the memory of the workstation before being spooled by
the
> server again. I guessed nprint will work just like ncopy.
>

You guess wrong.

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toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 4, 2002, 1:50:10 AM6/4/02

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oh no..... that's disappointing. Any shareware or freeware NLM could do
the job? that will definitely conserve bandwith...

Dave Kearns-NSCV wrote:
> "toylet [mozilla user]" <toy...@hongkong.com> wrote in message
> news:3CFAE941...@hongkong.com...
>>I just was not sure whether the content of the file would be copied
>>from the server to the memory of the workstation before being spooled
>

> You guess wrong.

Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 4, 2002, 9:55:07 AM6/4/02

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How busy is your network?

Dave Kearns-NSCV

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Jun 4, 2002, 11:40:10 AM6/4/02

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"toylet [mozilla user]" <toy...@hongkong.com> wrote in message

news:3CFC54FC...@hongkong.com...

> Any shareware or freeware NLM could do
> the job? that will definitely conserve bandwith...
>

None that I'm aware of - its just not seen as a problem.

-dave

toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 4, 2002, 10:51:13 PM6/4/02

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about 150 users

Felton Green (SysOp) wrote:
> How busy is your network?
>

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Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 4, 2002, 10:55:53 PM6/4/02

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then doing a performace tuning would be the best thing...

Run the config utility and post the resulting config.txt here WITHOUT the
serial number and we can advise you on what to do...

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toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 5, 2002, 2:12:59 AM6/5/02

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pong... I am not the LAN administrator in my company, just a foxpro guy
(I was an admin in my first job years ago).

Just curious wehther I could reduce the amount of network I/O when
spooling a file. I always think nprint will not involve file xfer from
the workstation to the server if the file is alraedy in the server... I
will see if my admin wants advices (not every person listens, u know...)

Felton Green (SysOp) wrote:
> then doing a performace tuning would be the best thing...
>
> Run the config utility and post the resulting config.txt here WITHOUT the
> serial number and we can advise you on what to do...
>

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Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 5, 2002, 3:14:18 PM6/5/02

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Hi

hmm... then it would be difficult to get the data

but with that small a lan, I'd not really worry about it UNLESS the system
became really slow.

toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 5, 2002, 10:42:14 PM6/5/02

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the LAN will be particularly slow near the month-end when there are lots
of reports being printed or when the admin doing something big related
to the exchange server. but then, it's normal.

If it's me, I would send all output files to an isolated PC, then use
local program at that PC to print the files (rather via pserver.nlm).

Felton Green (SysOp) wrote:
> but with that small a lan, I'd not really worry about it UNLESS the system
> became really slow.

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Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 6, 2002, 12:03:49 AM6/6/02

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You could mention a purge /all from the root of sys, and then load toolbox
with chron running to keep it regular...

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toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 6, 2002, 4:20:25 AM6/6/02

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deleted files and their space would be recycled automagically. why would
purge/all needed on the spool directory (ie, \MAIL)

Felton Green (SysOp) wrote:
> You could mention a purge /all from the root of sys, and then load toolbox
> with chron running to keep it regular...
>

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toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 6, 2002, 4:18:56 AM6/6/02

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the admin team didn't even know about this toolbox (me, too but then I
was away from Netware for years). FYI, they didn't even keep the time
between servers synchronized. It's quite interseting when yuo attach to
multiple servers in my network.......

Felton Green (SysOp) wrote:
> You could mention a purge /all from the root of sys, and then load toolbox
> with chron running to keep it regular...
>

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Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 6, 2002, 9:37:14 AM6/6/02

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Why? It allows the system resources that are freed up by the purge to be
utilizied. If you have a significant number of deleted files on a server
you'll really notice the difference in the response.

Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 6, 2002, 9:37:52 AM6/6/02

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Do they know about toolbox now?

geoffs....@otcnetworks.invalid.com

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Jun 6, 2002, 3:02:39 PM6/6/02

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Purging deleted files is automatic, however, there is an overhead
associated with tracking them and purging as needed. See my
recommendations and samples of how to use TOOLBOX and CRON to improve the
management of deleted files on my web site at:

http://www.otcnetworks.com/nwtips.htm#purge

toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 6, 2002, 9:24:54 PM6/6/02

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no.. I bet they would say: it's toor risky. we had a mission-critical
application running.

Felton Green (SysOp) wrote:
> Do they know about toolbox now?
>

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toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 6, 2002, 9:28:40 PM6/6/02

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btw, I just took a look at the toolbox doc in novell.com, ... don't feel
they are useful if yuo can login the server as root.

Felton Green (SysOp) wrote:
> Do they know about toolbox now?
>

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Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 7, 2002, 12:41:41 AM6/7/02

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think of it as a timed released program for the server...

I have it running to purge once every 12 hours...

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Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 7, 2002, 12:46:29 AM6/7/02

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I think you'd better check toolbox.nlm again... I think you're looking at
the wrong program.

The utilities provided by Toolbox are:
Authset - Set username and password for easy authentication
Beep - Ring the bell
Chdir(c,pwd)- Change or View Current Directory
Copy (cp) - Copy utility
Del (rm) - Delete utility (not supported on 3.x DOS Partitions)
Delay - Delay command
Dir (ls) - Directory utility
Echo - Echo message to the console
Mkdir (md) - Make Directory utility
Move (mv) - Move utility (not supported on 3.x DOS Partitions)
Purge - Purge deleted files
Rmdir (rd) - Remove Directory utility
Shutdown - Shutdown and restart server
Startup - Edit the startup file
Toolbox - General help screen for Toolbox
Tools - Display list of available tools
Type (cat) - View text files on the screen

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toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 7, 2002, 1:55:52 AM6/7/02

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exactly the list I saw. Back when I was an admin, I seldom performed
these jobs over the console. Unless yuo use these commands with a
console-based scripting engine... but this toolbox doesn't have a
scripting language, does it? AUTOEXEC.NCF cannot be invoked directly...

Felton Green (SysOp) wrote:
> Authset - Set username and password for easy authentication
> Beep - Ring the bell
> Chdir(c,pwd)- Change or View Current Directory
> Copy (cp) - Copy utility
> Del (rm) - Delete utility (not supported on 3.x DOS Partitions)
> Delay - Delay command
> Dir (ls) - Directory utility
> Echo - Echo message to the console
> Mkdir (md) - Make Directory utility
> Move (mv) - Move utility (not supported on 3.x DOS Partitions)
> Purge - Purge deleted files
> Rmdir (rd) - Remove Directory utility
> Shutdown - Shutdown and restart server
> Startup - Edit the startup file
> Toolbox - General help screen for Toolbox
> Tools - Display list of available tools
> Type (cat) - View text files on the screen

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Ben A L Jemmett

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Jun 7, 2002, 5:44:34 AM6/7/02

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NetWare does have limited scripting capability; any .NCF file is a
(completely linear) script, like AUTOEXEC.NCF or STARTUP.NCF, and can be run
from the console.

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geoffs....@otcnetworks.invalid.com

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Jun 7, 2002, 12:23:15 PM6/7/02

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> no.. I bet they would say: it's toor risky. we had a mission-critical
> application running.
>

I run TOOLBOX.NLM and CRON.NLM on ALL my client's servers, NW 3.x, NW 4.x
and 5.x, I've never had a problem with any of them. They are loaded all
the time and CRON executes a .NCF file that uses TOOLBOX to purge selected
files every night.

geoffs....@otcnetworks.invalid.com

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Jun 7, 2002, 12:27:10 PM6/7/02

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> exactly the list I saw. Back when I was an admin, I seldom performed
> these jobs over the console. Unless yuo use these commands with a
> console-based scripting engine... but this toolbox doesn't have a
> scripting language, does it? AUTOEXEC.NCF cannot be invoked directly...
>

TOOLBOX doesn't, but NetWare does. Any command or series of commands you
can enter from the server console can be put into a .NCF file (NetWare
Command File, which is equivilent to a DOS batch file). If you'll look at
my web page (http://www.otcnetworks.com/nwtips.htm#purge), I show a
sample .NCF file and the CRONTAB entry needed to schedule it.

Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 7, 2002, 10:49:07 PM6/7/02

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Hi

Do you need some more information on the toolbox?

toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 9, 2002, 9:36:10 PM6/9/02

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too bad... back when I was an admin of a small Netware 3 network, I
don't need to write scripts. We did some work with the Netware C API
only. NLM apps were either expensive or not heard of. I knew more now.

Now.. we have linux, a great platform for scripts and admins. Thanks to
all replies.

Felton Green (SysOp) wrote:
> Do you need some more information on the toolbox?

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Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 9, 2002, 9:45:02 PM6/9/02

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Hi

The toolbox is a good tool... does not need any script. A simple text file
works for some of the tools.

toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 9, 2002, 10:28:35 PM6/9/02

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agree, but you really could live without them for average business networks.

> The toolbox is a good tool... does not need any script. A simple text file
> works for some of the tools.
>

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Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 10, 2002, 12:01:35 AM6/10/02

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Hi

I've used them on quite a few networks.... the chron utility for a purge is
a good thing.

toylet [mozilla user]

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Jun 10, 2002, 9:15:36 PM6/10/02

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it's definitely cheaper in terms of electricity to do it at the
console... :)

Felton Green (SysOp) wrote:
> I've used them on quite a few networks.... the chron utility for a purge is
> a good thing.

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Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 10, 2002, 9:52:01 PM6/10/02

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LOL

not really... just an NLM that gets kicked off.

toylet

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Jun 13, 2002, 5:55:49 AM6/13/02

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yes, if you used a workstation to run the cron job via DOS batch file,
you would need power to both the server and the workstation. :)

Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 13, 2002, 9:22:35 AM6/13/02

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The chron job is run on the server. %^ )

toylet

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Jun 14, 2002, 2:08:05 AM6/14/02

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exactly...

Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 14, 2002, 12:46:28 PM6/14/02

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Hi

I'm a little confused now...and hope you didn't misunderstand me.

The toolbox and chron are run on the server by the server so an automatic
purge can be accomplished without admin intervention.

toylet

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Jun 16, 2002, 11:09:20 PM6/16/02

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That's why I said it saved electricity though for average business
network, you don't have to use console-based tools to do those things.

maybe it's my lousy english that's bugging you... :)

Felton Green (SysOp)

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Jun 16, 2002, 11:55:02 PM6/16/02

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Hi

%^ )

I read the response to quickly.... sorry

and your English is fine.

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toylet

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Jun 17, 2002, 2:25:21 AM6/17/02

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great... what an encouragement. I would seriously cosnider working in
Hongkong Disney Park as a janitor should I lose my Foxpro job.

-_-

b...@co.ba.md.us

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Jul 31, 2002, 8:19:59 AM7/31/02

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"toylet [mozilla user]" wrote:

> deleted files and their space would be recycled automagically. why would
> purge/all needed on the spool directory (ie, \MAIL)
>
> Felton Green (SysOp) wrote:
> > You could mention a purge /all from the root of sys, and then load toolbox
> > with chron running to keep it regular...