SLP Help

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 26, 2004, 11:49:59 AM1/26/04

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I currently have our six schools and admin. building set up on a BM37
VPN which tends to work fine yet is extremely slow at times. We've noticed
quite a bit of chatter and thinking it might be IPX, I shut IPX in the VPN
settings. However, when I do we lose access to any of the other
severs(buildings) except the one the user is in. How can I get IP up and
running between buildings, or is it and just something else that needs set?
Would SLP be the answer? Or just leave IPX up? Or?

Thank you,
Tim

Keith Larson

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Jan 26, 2004, 12:18:16 PM1/26/04

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SLP is the way to go.

I administer three different school districts each with about 9 different buildings and there isn't any IPX on the network.

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 26, 2004, 12:57:14 PM1/26/04

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Okay, not having worked with SLP much before, where can I find information
to set it up properly? Does it need to be set on each building's server, I
suppose?

Do applications that still need IPX still work within the individual
buildings?

>>> Keith Larson<kla...@DELETETHISk12group.net> 1/26/2004 11:18:16 AM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 26, 2004, 1:33:49 PM1/26/04

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See http://support.novell.com/cgi-bin/search/searchtid.cgi?/10059981.htm

--
Edison Ortiz
Novell Product Support Forum SysOp
(No Email Support, Thanks !)

Keith Larson

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Jan 26, 2004, 1:49:02 PM1/26/04

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timesync needs to be reconfigured with tcpip.

queue based printing requires IPX, so you'll need to use NDPS.

It's better if the clients have been installed or if they are changed to IP only and remove IPX if present. If you start with this, you will have less problems. Take IPX off the servers last. imo

No, you don't need a DA in each building. You really only need two, but you can put two at your main site and an alternate at a different site for redundancy if you like.

I prefer the static slp configuration. This means changing "SLP DA Discovery Options" from default of 15 to 4 and configuring sys:etc\slp.cfg. Also configure a scope.

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 26, 2004, 2:31:11 PM1/26/04

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This is really rather strange. About three years ago to the month, I had to
contact Novell to help with a problem at two schools. In the process the
"tech" (or engineer) set up and SLP DA at one of my schools and a scope
although I didn't think to ask about it.

Where are we with Win95 and Win98 machines which is a majority of what I
have?

>>> Keith Larson<kla...@DELETETHISk12group.net> 1/26/2004 12:49:02 PM >>>

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 26, 2004, 2:42:54 PM1/26/04

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Also, thank you, Edison, for the TID.

Tim

>>> Keith Larson<kla...@DELETETHISk12group.net> 1/26/2004 12:49:02 PM >>>

Keith Larson

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Jan 26, 2004, 2:46:13 PM1/26/04

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it shouldn't make a difference on Win95 or Win98 as long as you don't have apps that are dependent on IPX.

>>> Tim Ferguson<Tl...@ccs135.com> 1/26/2004 2:31:11 PM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 26, 2004, 2:59:22 PM1/26/04

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Hope it helped.

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 27, 2004, 1:32:53 AM1/27/04

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Well, I got down to where we configure the workstations, but when I enter
"Display SLPDA" on a server I don't get a line with the DA's IPAddress and
ACTIVE, just a line with Total Active:0, Total Inactive::0

Tim

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/26/2004 1:59:22 PM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 27, 2004, 10:25:06 AM1/27/04

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Did you load SLPDA on any server ?

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 27, 2004, 12:02:36 PM1/27/04

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SLPDA is loaded on the server here at the admin. building. Which brings up
another question, should the scope be in the same container with the server
itself, or inside an OU (within the same container as the server)?

Tim

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/27/2004 9:25:06 AM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 27, 2004, 12:08:55 PM1/27/04

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If you issue DISPLAY SLPDA on the server running the DA, what does display ?

The Scope can be anywhere in NDS. Make sure the server running DA service
has R/W replica of where the scope information is located.

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 27, 2004, 12:42:23 PM1/27/04

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> SLP LOOPBACK : v1 : ACTIVE : 'UNSCOPED DA' : IANA : 15 :
> 0ms

You are configured for UNSCOPED DA while the TID I posted is for SCOPED
DA. Have you rebooted the server after inserting the SCOPE information
in MONITOR ?

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 27, 2004, 12:35:24 PM1/27/04

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SLP LOOPBACK : v1 : ACTIVE : 'UNSCOPED DA' : IANA : 15 :
0ms

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/27/2004 11:08:55 AM >>>

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 27, 2004, 12:59:29 PM1/27/04

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I went back and checked, I created a scope CCS_SCOPE which is in SLP SCOPE
LIST under Service Location Protocol Parameters in MONITOR (Server
Parameters). I placed CCS_SCOPE in MONITOR in each of the servers and all
were rebooted. The DA holds the master replica. Should I delete and
re-create?

Tim

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/27/2004 11:42:23 AM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 27, 2004, 1:14:13 PM1/27/04

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The DA is not updating its information from MONITOR.NLM
Under scope information it should say CCS_SCOPE not UNSCOPED DA.

Try the TID I posted again, step by step. You must be missing a step.
http://support.novell.com/cgi-bin/search/searchtid.cgi?/10059981.htm

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 27, 2004, 2:19:50 PM1/27/04

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Ok, here goes again.

Tim

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/27/2004 12:14:13 PM >>>

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 27, 2004, 2:42:48 PM1/27/04

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When I edit SLP.CFG on each of the other servers, what "v" should I be
using? The text in slp.cfg refers to v4 with v6 coming out, or does that
make any difference?
Tim

>>> Tim Ferguson<Tl...@ccs135.com> 1/27/2004 1:19:50 PM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 27, 2004, 2:46:03 PM1/27/04

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On the server running DA, the SLP.CFG shouldn't be touched unless you
are planning to run more than one DA. The only information you need to
enter is the DA IP address. Follow the same syntax as the sample on that
file.
Again, the DA IP address should be entered on non-DA servers. The DA should
not reference itself.

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 27, 2004, 3:03:27 PM1/27/04

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Right, I haven't touched the slp.cfg on the DA server itself, but on the
non-DA servers, what IP version should I be using, still version 4, i.e.,
"DA IPV4, xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"?
Or should "DA" really be the DA that I created (come to think of it)?

Tim

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/27/2004 1:46:03 PM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 27, 2004, 3:57:39 PM1/27/04

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Replace with xxx.xxx.xxx.xxxx with the DA's IP address and that's it.
Nothing else to modify/add/delete from that file.
Your problem is bigger than SLP.CFG - The DA itself didn't know what
scope it belonged to. SLP.CFG does not come into play here, it finds
that information via SLP LOOPBACK.

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 27, 2004, 3:59:56 PM1/27/04

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Ok, re-done the DA and scope. When I try to load the DA I'm getting a
message that "SLP Activate DA FAILED for v2 DA "209.xxx.xxx.xxx" which
returned a different address of "192.168.10.2" which is the server's private
address.

>>> Tim Ferguson<Tl...@ccs135.com> 1/27/2004 2:03:27 PM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 27, 2004, 4:35:30 PM1/27/04

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Fun, Fun, loading SLPDA on a BM server or dual with NIC. I don't know what
else to tell on this. Very hard to troubleshoot.

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 27, 2004, 6:10:03 PM1/27/04

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I don't know if I've done any good, but I deleted the binding to the private
NIC, loaded SLPDA with success and re-bound the private IP to the NIC. This
time SLPDA loaded with CCS as the scope as you said it should.

Time will tell, I suppose.

Thanks for all your help, support and consideration.
Tim

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/27/2004 3:35:30 PM >>>

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 27, 2004, 6:44:33 PM1/27/04

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Now I'm getting "SLP LOOPBACK : v2 : ACTIVE : CCS : IANA : 0 :
0ms" on the DA's console, and "xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx : v7 : INACTIVE :
'UNKNOWN SCOPE' : STATIC : 0 : 0ms" on the non-DA servers with
"Total Active: 0 Total Inactive: 1".

Tim

>>> Tim Ferguson< Tl...@ccs135.com > 1/27/2004 5:10:03 PM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 27, 2004, 10:16:22 PM1/27/04

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Modify the SLP.CFG on the non-DA servers to have the DA IP address.
Also, make sure to change the SLP Discovery Option set to 4 under
MONITOR | SLP Settings.

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 28, 2004, 3:46:45 PM1/28/04

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I wish to apologize for taking up so much of your time, but sincerely
appreciate your professional assistance. I now have six of the seven
building servers registered, the seventh I've apparently got something else
wrong to work on first.

Thank you again,
Tim

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/27/2004 9:16:22 PM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 28, 2004, 5:02:22 PM1/28/04

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> the seventh I've apparently got something else
> wrong to work on first.

Anything I can be of assist ?

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 28, 2004, 5:54:32 PM1/28/04

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When I try to load monitor I get {unresolved} and am not sure SLP is
loading. Entering "display slp da" only results in "total active: 0 total
inactive:0". I copied slp.cfg from another server to the rest including
this one, and time is in sync.

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/28/2004 4:02:22 PM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 28, 2004, 7:09:00 PM1/28/04

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> When I try to load monitor I get {unresolved} and am not sure SLP is
> loading

You get what ?

Type MODULES SLP* to verify if SLP is loading.

How many NICs this server has ?
Can you ping the DA from this server ?

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 28, 2004, 8:04:38 PM1/28/04

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You get what ?

—-On the console screen when I LOAD MONITOR instead of a green [ OK ] on the
right side of the screen I get a red [ UNRESOLVED ] and monitor does not
load. (I was still able to get to the SLP parameters via Remote Manager).

Type MODULES SLP* to verify if SLP is loading.

—-SERVICE LOCATION PROTOCOL
Version 2.05.01 November 12, 2002

How many NICs this server has ?

— 2, one Public, one Private

Can you ping the DA from this server ?

— Yes

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 28, 2004, 8:16:10 PM1/28/04

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Interesting. Best to ask in the server forums to see if someone there
has any idea. I searched the knowledgebase on this with no luck, sorry.

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 28, 2004, 9:18:15 PM1/28/04

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That's ok, thanks for trying.

Tim

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/28/2004 7:16:10 PM >>>

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 28, 2004, 10:49:53 PM1/28/04

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I've reinstalled Client 4.9 on Win2K with "IP Only" on my desktop and cannot
access any of the off-site servers, i.e., I get a 'network name can not be
found error' when trying to access any of them through Windows Explorer.
What might be causing this?

I reinstalled 4.9 with IP/IPX and everything is fine although the above
error did occur briefly but the volumes and directories did appear.

Also, is Ethernet II necessary any more? I was under the impression it
wasn't and removed it.

Tim

>>> Tim Ferguson<Tl...@ccs135.com> 1/28/2004 8:18:15 PM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 29, 2004, 9:50:09 AM1/29/04

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> I've reinstalled Client 4.9 on Win2K with "IP Only" on my desktop and cannot
> access any of the off-site servers,

You need to configure SLP DA on the workstation as well. Look under Novell
Client Properties | Service Location and input the DA IP address there then
enable 'Static' option.

You can deliver this information to all PCs by using Novell's DHCP. Other
3rd party DHCPs are supported as well.

>
> Also, is Ethernet II necessary any more? I was under the impression it
> wasn't and removed it.

Leave the frame type to Auto.

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 29, 2004, 12:52:46 PM1/29/04

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Added the SLP DA's IP address, yet still can not access volumes on servers
not on the local segment. Do have DHCP set up to hand out DA information
using option 78.

Tim

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/29/2004 8:50:09 AM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 29, 2004, 1:02:24 PM1/29/04

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Please post the output from typing SLPINFO /ALL on this workstation
Also, verify bindery.novell URL is listing all NetWare servers from
this SLPDA by issuing DISPLAY SLP SERVICES.

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 29, 2004, 3:45:18 PM1/29/04

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When I added a static IP for my desktop things started working. I shouldn't
have to have a static IP for everyone should I? Or should I set up. a
static IP through DHCP?

Tim

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 29, 2004, 4:27:48 PM1/29/04

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Were you able to ping the servers when you had the DHCP provided IP ?
Did you enter (manually) the same IP address you had before (the one
provided by DHCP) ?

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 29, 2004, 4:58:15 PM1/29/04

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Neither until I set up the static route.

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/29/2004 3:27:48 PM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 30, 2004, 1:20:29 PM1/30/04

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You setup a static route on the PC ?
Don't you have a default gateway that handles all these routes ?

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 30, 2004, 10:53:57 PM1/30/04

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After some checking on other PC's, the default gateway does handle the
routes without a static route. Now, on to trying to get our Win95/98
stations to run just on IP and get the one server that is resisting to make
contact with the DA.

I do have a couple of servers that want to activate and de-activate the DA
over and over again, while others don't. They all have the same version of
SLP which, according to one TID was a potential problem with the older
version.

Tim

>>> Edison Ortiz<eor...@nscsysop.com> 1/30/2004 12:20:29 PM >>>

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 31, 2004, 3:58:25 PM1/31/04

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> After some checking on other PC's, the default gateway does handle the
> routes without a static route.

Good.

> Now, on to trying to get our Win95/98
> stations to run just on IP

What's the problem with them ?

> and get the one server that is resisting to make
> contact with the DA.

A suggestion, try running the latest Support Pack on it.

> I do have a couple of servers that want to activate and de-activate the DA
> over and over again, while others don't.

What's the difference between then ? All dual-nic servers ?

You may play with the SLP INCLUDE / EXCLUDE setting in MONITOR | SLP.

Edison Ortiz

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Jan 31, 2004, 11:45:32 PM1/31/04

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Tim Ferguson wrote:
>
> We've had some problem with some of our Win98 machines getting them on
> IP-only, they go right by the client log-in straight to the desktop.
> Choosing NetWare Log-In (from the red Novell "N" on the taskbar) and then
> logging in logs the machine in normally and the connection is IP. Haven't
> been able to determine why it goes straight to the desktop.

Did you manually enter the SLP DA information on Novell Client Properties |
Service Location Page ?

>
> Reinstalling NW6SP3e did the trick. The last holdout has registered with
> the DA. (This also brought Monitor back to life as well.)

Great !

>
> All the servers are dual-nic. Six servers, 1 registers with the DA on both
> interfaces; 1 registers on the private interface (like it should); and 4
> register on both NICS but start 'deactivating' and 're-activating' SLP on
> the private interface.

Right, it's getting confused with both NICs advertising its services.

> This continually goes on over and over on the
> console screen. One TID that I found indicated a potential problem with the
> version (v1) that was to be correct in v2. Another TID recommending
> 'excluding' the public IP in SLP parameters which I have done and the error
> stops.

Great !

>
> I realize SLP should be running on the private network and should most
> likely be set up on a server on that network alone (with one NIC). That is
> one of the things I was attempting to do when removing the public NIC from
> my building server at the district office. However, I wasn't successful in
> getting a static IP set up on my web server/Groupwise server for the
> building server allowing access to those outside that needed it, so I
> re-enabled the public IP for now.
>
> Thanks again for all your help and support, WOW!
>
> Tim

Glad to help.

Tim Ferguson

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Jan 31, 2004, 11:42:38 PM1/31/04

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We've had some problem with some of our Win98 machines getting them on
IP-only, they go right by the client log-in straight to the desktop.
Choosing NetWare Log-In (from the red Novell "N" on the taskbar) and then
logging in logs the machine in normally and the connection is IP. Haven't
been able to determine why it goes straight to the desktop.

Reinstalling NW6SP3e did the trick. The last holdout has registered with

the DA. (This also brought Monitor back to life as well.)

All the servers are dual-nic. Six servers, 1 registers with the DA on both

interfaces; 1 registers on the private interface (like it should); and 4
register on both NICS but start 'deactivating' and 're-activating' SLP on

the private interface. This continually goes on over and over on the

console screen. One TID that I found indicated a potential problem with the
version (v1) that was to be correct in v2. Another TID recommending
'excluding' the public IP in SLP parameters which I have done and the error
stops.

I realize SLP should be running on the private network and should most

Tim Ferguson

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Feb 1, 2004, 12:48:39 AM2/1/04

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Did you manually enter the SLP DA information on Novell Client Properties |
Service Location Page ?

Yes, using the private IP and "Static" as well as the scope name, SCOPE1.
However, I have set up DHCP to give this information out, do you think there
would be a conflict?

Doesn't anything need to be changed on the preferred protocols page?

Tim

Keith Larson

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Feb 1, 2004, 11:23:54 AM2/1/04

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I always use DHCP and it works just fine, but I make the scope manadatory and deliver both DA addresses. Did you change the scope name during this process? You mentioned SCOPE1, but I thought that you were using CCS_SCOPE. You need to use the same scope on the servers as you deliver to the workstation or there won't be any information for them to read.

>>> Tim Ferguson<Tl...@ccs135.com> 2/1/2004 12:48:39 AM >>>

Tim Ferguson

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Feb 1, 2004, 6:00:47 PM2/1/04

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I have DHCP set up, but only had it set on the public interface and last
night changed it to the private. I will make it both.

Is this what is keeping my Win95/98 machines from seeing the tree to log-in
and thus go to the desktop as if there were no network?

When you install (or re-install) the client, do you choose IP w/IPX
capability or just IP?

I decided to follow the TID on setting up the scope and just used the SCOPE1
name they suggested as an example. So it has been changed to SCOPE1 on all
servers and the DA.

Tim

>>> Keith Larson<kla...@DELETETHISk12group.net> 2/1/2004 10:23:54 AM >>>
I always use DHCP and it works just fine, but I make the scope mandatory and