Re: linux client
Pat
news:pan.2005.08.03...@no.spam.please.nds8.co.uk:
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:45:02 +0000, mike wrote:
>
>> Has anyone had an luck installing the linux client on other
>> versions of linux like Debian or Slackware?
>>
>> Mike
>
> Not that I've heard. I think there might be too much difference between
> the kernel versions...
>
Kernel versions shouldn't have anything to do with this!
The more it goes, the madder I get at Novell!!
They want to integrate into an OpenSource world...
Jump into the Linux communittee, and they can't even make a Novell Client
available for other distros!
I've made this one work on Linux Slackware 10.2, kernel 2.6 from kernel.org
http://novelclient.sourceforge.net/
If THAT ONE works, why the hell couldn't Novell make theirs available for
other distro? They can't possibly have good excuses, exept that they want
people use only SuSE!!
Well.. gee.. If I have a choice between a good distro like Slackware or
Debian, with just 1 or 2 cd install... why would I go with a 5-6 CD install
such has SLED!!
It's crap if you ask me!!
Pat
Mark Robinson
> Kernel versions shouldn't have anything to do with this!
I'm sorry, but you are wrong. The Novell Client for Linux uses it's own
novfs filesystem driver module. This will only load into an appropriate
kernel.
> The more it goes, the madder I get at Novell!! They want to integrate
> into an OpenSource world...
They are intregrating into the open source community very well. What you
are talking about here is their own proprietary client that connects to
their proprietary server operating system! They can choose which
platforms they write it for. HOWEVER, I do believe that as time goes by,
they should look to widen the support for it.
> Jump into the Linux communittee, and they can't even make a Novell
> Client available for other distros!
>
> I've made this one work on Linux Slackware 10.2, kernel 2.6 from
> kernel.org
>
> http://novelclient.sourceforge.net/
>
> If THAT ONE works, why the hell couldn't Novell make theirs available
> for other distro? They can't possibly have good excuses, exept that they
> want people use only SuSE!!
Well, you see. The novel client is merely a gui wrapper for gues what?
The kernel based ncpfs stuff! The difference here is that ncpfs is in the
mainstream kernel and so there is no reason why you can't use it on any
distro... The novfs stuff is more than likely highly commercially
sensitive and therefore not quitable for open source.
> Well.. gee.. If I have a choice between a good distro like Slackware or
> Debian, with just 1 or 2 cd install... why would I go with a 5-6 CD
> install such has SLED!!
> It's crap if you ask me!!
I hope you'll reconsider this statement after you've read my responses.
--
Mark Robinson
Novell Volunteer SysOp
One by one the penguins steal my sanity...
Patrick
just a 'frontend' to the ncpfs utils! It's how most tools run are under
Linux anyways!
So you're just basically telling me that Novell re-wrote a new ncpfs, now
called novfs on their end, which is just really... a module loaded by the
kernel probably!
What makes this so different then the other? I mean... not talking
functionnality here! I'ts most likely a loadable module OR Novell decided to
modify the kernel source in put it in straight! (No I haven't done a make
menuconfig from Novell's kernel source they provide to see).
nVidia provide kernel modules for their video drivers... Why couldn't Novell
do the same type of thing for their novfs?
And you say "proprietary server operating system"... Hmmm It seems to me
they are defeating one of the main Linux's goals here... to have
flexibility!!! The power to choose!!
Novell's SLES is nothing less then yet another Linux Distributions, but with
additionnal network services daemons, such has NDS!
And when you say "they can choose which platforms they write it for", well I
would understand if they said they wrote it only for Windows or Mac... but
"usually", when someone writes a piece of code for Linux, it's available for
any distros regarless of the name. Linux is Linux!
OpenOffice has made their product has a binary setup which runs on any
distros, and so has nvidia.... why not NCL?
When you find a new software you want to try out... it's very rare that
you'll only see it available for the XYZ Distro! Sure, you might only see an
RPM SuSE, and another one for Fedora, and maybe 1 last for Debian, but of
none of thoses is your distro, you'll most likelly have a .tar.gz file to
download and compile.
OK, so NLC isn't open source.. so no I don't get to have a .tar.gz. JUST DO
HAS OOFFICE DID THEN! Not proprietary to any distros! It is duable!
In conclusion, I'm sorry to say that no I haven't reconsidered my statement.
Novell might have made some progress in the open source communittee, but
they still gotta few hills to climb and trully believe they need to reach
more at the old folks whoses been using Linux for long time now! Follow the
stream!!
Pat
"Mark Robinson" <mark.r...@no.spam.please.nds8.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.30....@no.spam.please.nds8.co.uk...
Joseph Marton
> Novell ***NEED TO RELEASE THEIR NOVELL CLIENT FOR LINUX*** to all linux
> users, otherwise they should really call it "Novell Client for SUSE"
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Joe Marton
Novell Knowledge Partner
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