Backup or copy

[beatle]

I currently use Arcserve 11.1 to backup up my NW6.5 sp5 server. I backup to
an external harddrive ( my solution to a failed tapedrive and not having a
couple of grand for a new one)
It takes 22 hours (about 90 gig) to backup and the resulting file doesn't
appear to be any smaller than the source.
Is there a way to just copy the server to the external drive that maybe
faster and and easier to restore?

Thanks

[Anders Gustafsson]

Beatle,

> I backup to
> an external harddrive ( my solution to a failed tapedrive and not having a
> couple of grand for a new one)
> It takes 22 hours (about 90 gig) to backup and the resulting file doesn't
> appear to be any smaller than the source.

Why should the result be smaller? Also: What type of external drive? USB,
SAS, SCSI?

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[BEATLE]

Arcserve claims to compress the backup

I am using usb to a sata drive. I have been unsuccessful trying to use
esata. The card I installed apparently won't work with Netware and Dell
says that I cannot have sata and scsi both turned on my server (poweredge
2900)
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[Anders Gustafsson]

Beatle,

> Arcserve claims to compress the backup

OK, but the results may vary. If the data is already compressed, then it
might very well be *larger* if you compress again.

> I am using usb to a sata drive. I have been unsuccessful trying to use
> esata. The card I installed apparently won't work with Netware and Dell
> says that I cannot have sata and scsi both turned on my server (poweredge
> 2900)

OK. USB is s-l-o-w. TYry getting an esata card that works.

[Massimo Rosen]

Anders,

Anders Gustafsson wrote:
>
> OK. USB is s-l-o-w.

Not so much when he'd update to SP8.

> TYry getting an esata card that works.

Adaptec.

CU,
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[Massimo Rosen]

Hi,

BEATLE wrote:
>
> Arcserve claims to compress the backup
>
> I am using usb to a sata drive. I have been unsuccessful trying to use
> esata. The card I installed apparently won't work with Netware and Dell
> says that I cannot have sata and scsi both turned on my server (poweredge
> 2900)

Dell is full of it. Adaptec has working eSATA controllers for Netware.

You may also get away with USB, but only when you update to SP8.

[Anders Gustafsson]

Massimo Rosen,

> Not so much when he'd update to SP8.
>

Yes, that is true, but still slower than esata

[Marcel Cox]

Anders Gustafsson wrote:

>. TYry getting an esata card that works.

If you have free SATA parts on the motherboard, you won't even need a full
features eSATA controller card. An eSATA adater which brings your free
internal SATA connectors to the outside will do. (Something similar to
this:
http://www.amazon.com/Serial-External-Dual-Port-Adapter/dp/B000IZE8XM/ref=pd_cp_e_1
)
The additional advantage is that NetWare driver support for onboard SATA
controllers that are part of the chipset is often better than NetWare
support for eSATA controller cards.

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[beatle]

When I said that sata and scsi won't work together I was refering to the
motherboard sata ports, not a sata card.
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[Massimo Rosen]

Hi,

beatle wrote:
>
> When I said that sata and scsi won't work together I was refering to the
> motherboard sata ports, not a sata card.

Doesn't matter. Either the SATA ports work, or they don't. That's
totally disconnected from the scsi ports. The statement they (only)
wouldn't work together is nonsense.

[Marcel Cox]

Massimo Rosen wrote:

>Doesn't matter. Either the SATA ports work, or they don't. That's
>totally disconnected from the scsi ports. The statement they (only)
>wouldn't work together is nonsense.

Actually, I think it is just poorly explained and therefore leads to
misunderstanding.
The Poweredge 2900 has an onboard SAS controller and you can plug SAS or
SATA drives into the server. Mixing SATA and SAS disks has some
limitations (though it is not completely impossible).

[beatle]

What are the limitations and how would I get around them? Also would it be
better to just get the Adaptec
I already have an Adaptec SCSI card (for the tape drive, Arcserve would not
boot without the tapedrive installed even if it isn't functioning) would
that cause a conflict with a SATA card?
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[Marcel Cox]

beatle wrote:

>What are the limitations and how would I get around them?

I don't know exatcly what the limitations are. However if your server has
SAS disks, than it would probably be safest not to connect any SATA drives
to the onboard SAS controller. What I couldn't find in the tech specs for
the server is whether the 2900 also has some "real" SATA ports on board
which might be used for SATA disks.

>Also would it be better to just get the Adaptec

Yes, that would probably be the safest and easiest option, especially for
external SATA disks.