NetWare 6.5 NMAS/Radius

kwh...@hoho.org

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Nov 4, 2003, 11:59:28 AM11/4/03

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Radius, Where is it??? The NW6.5 Docs refer to loading from NMAS CD. Huh?

Scott Jones

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Nov 4, 2003, 11:06:35 PM11/4/03

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RADIUS Server is in NBM 3.8.

The NetWare 6.5 docs just copied the NMAS EE docs over without removing the
RADIUS part...

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Scott Jones, Product Line Manager
Nsure Secure Access Group

Novell, Inc., the leading provider of information solutions
www.novell.com

kwh...@hoho.org

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Nov 6, 2003, 10:24:21 AM11/6/03

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Hi Scott, I was told that from our Novell Rep that 6.5 includes NMAS EE.
In turn Radius would be included. So are you saying that 6.5 doesn't
include Radius?

Graham Marsh

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Nov 9, 2003, 7:40:23 AM11/9/03

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> Hi Scott, I was told that from our Novell Rep that 6.5 includes NMAS EE.
> In turn Radius would be included. So are you saying that 6.5 doesn't
> include Radius?

See my note (reply to Scott).

If your rep told you that, get it from him in writing. Then talk to his
boss. Poo rolls downhill.

Graham Marsh

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Nov 9, 2003, 7:36:29 AM11/9/03

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Forgive me Scott, but I believe it was you who, about two years ago,
informed me that "a customer-friendly solution was in the works" with
respect to the BMAS-no-longer-separate / BMAS-not-in-the-NOS issues.

I have also pointed out in the past that the NMAS in NW6 and 6.5 is
misleading in that they appear to be "lite" versions of EE, yet the docs
point to full NMAS EE docs. It's hard to find a definitive note which
describes what's in the lite versions vs. the full versions.

Back then I pointed out that Win2000 had Radius services in the OS, and it
is extremely disappointing that NetWare "NOS" continues to exclude it as a
standard option.

One cannot blame administrators for feeling sour about it.

Scott Jones

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Nov 9, 2003, 11:46:17 PM11/9/03

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That's what I am saying. Which is why it was a mistake for Novell to say
that NetWare and eDir contain "NMAS EE," since customers perceive that to
mean RADIUS is included.

Very confusing. Sorry. Was not my product group....

Scott Jones

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Nov 9, 2003, 11:48:47 PM11/9/03

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No. Please don't throw poo. Just watch download.novell.com for a pleasant
surprise in a week or two...

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Scott Jones, Product Line Manager
Nsure Secure Access Group

Novell, Inc., the leading provider of information solutions
www.novell.com

Scott Jones

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Nov 9, 2003, 11:52:46 PM11/9/03

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Read my previous post.

Y'know, Graham, sometimes in a large organization everyone knows the right
thing to do but for whatever reason it still takes months and months. Like
giving NBM 3.7 to people who bought NSBS 6.0 -- We JUST fixed that finally
this month. There's now a part number on the price list that allows those
customers to get NBM 3.7 "free" for the cost of a media kit ($15).

Eighteen months late. I know. We do the best we can.

Ditto for RADIUS. It's been fixed finally, and you will see the fix w/i two
weeks or you may come to Provo and kick my ass.

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Scott Jones, Product Line Manager
Nsure Secure Access Group

Novell, Inc., the leading provider of information solutions
www.novell.com

Graham Marsh

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Nov 10, 2003, 5:12:52 AM11/10/03

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Hi, thanks for your replies. Sounds good.

> Ditto for RADIUS. It's been fixed finally, and you will see the fix w/i
two
> weeks or you may come to Provo and kick my ass.

Hey, I might just hold you to that. Been thinking about using my Asiamiles
to get to NBS, so I can KYA on stage.

Cheers
GM (Hong Kong)

Karl Reischl

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Nov 18, 2003, 11:10:36 AM11/18/03

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Scott Jones wrote:

Now I'm lost.

All I want is a RADIUS NLM that works with the 802.1x authentcation.
Apparantly the RADIUS that is in BMAS does this. But I don't want to
buy BMAS just for this. So does the RADIUS in BM3.8 now have the
RADIUS from BMAS? Or does 6.5 ahve the RADIUS from BMAS?

whew. :)

Graham Marsh

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Nov 19, 2003, 11:05:01 PM11/19/03

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> So does the RADIUS in BM3.8 now have the
> RADIUS from BMAS?

As I understand it, yes - BM3.8 includes Radius. The BMAS version of Radius
is now quite old and I am sure the version in BM3.8 is similar in some
areas, and improved in others.

Also, I differ somewhat what Craig said, I am quite sure that both iChain
and NMAS-EE (the full product) include a Radius which is very similar to the
BM version, but that was a while ago and things may have changed since then.

>Or does 6.5 ahve the RADIUS from BMAS?

As I understand it, NO - and this is what I have been "moaning" about. The
fact is, in order to get Radius, you have to spend a lot of $$ to buy a
separate product - BM, iChain, or NMAS - even if you only want to add Radius
functionality to your environment. Additionally, as you have found, the
NW6.5 docs are hopeless in that they point to the NMAS EE versions which
leads you to run around looking for the Radius components in NW6.5 which are
just not there. There should be a separate NMAS doc just for the "lite"
version that ships with NW6.5.

I guess our point to Scott Jones is that all this is just "not cricket", and
I think he accepts that, and did promise to do "something" about it, and
that "something" will be actioned like now. But what that "something" is, he
was not specific, just check the download section of the website. I think we
can only wait and see. My hope is that Radius services will be available as
a free add-on to NW6.5, it should have been in the product since 5.x anyway.

GM

Graham Marsh

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Nov 24, 2003, 7:56:10 PM11/24/03

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> Ditto for RADIUS. It's been fixed finally, and you will see the fix w/i
two
> weeks or you may come to Provo and kick my ass.

Time's up! I'm on a plane right now, prepare to have your ass kicked!! :-)

Scott Jones

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Dec 3, 2003, 3:30:05 AM12/3/03

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....grumble... been on vacation, just got back. Those responsible will be
sacked.

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Scott Jones, Product Line Manager
Nsure Secure Access Group

Novell, Inc., the leading provider of information solutions
www.novell.com

Graham Marsh

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Dec 9, 2003, 2:11:04 AM12/9/03

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Thanks for looking into it (the issue, not the sack).