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Mike Jacoubowsky

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Dec 4, 2000, 3:00:00 AM12/4/00
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Running 3.2 on a bunch of *old* computers (DOS point-of-sale system) and,
for what it's worth, netx is still doing fine...no problems that I can
attribute to anything other than my more-often-than-used-to "Senior
moments."

(Completely unrelated, but...is it just me, or has anyone else come across
stuff they did 5-10 years ago that seems beyond their present abilities?
Kind of amazing how ingenious I was at one time. Nowadays, my VCRs all
flash "12" unless they're the new type that tap into the time-synch pulse on
PBS stations!)

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Dave Kearns-NSCV

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Dec 4, 2000, 3:00:00 AM12/4/00
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</personal opinion>
I'm convinced that NETX was the last truly workable client Novell
produced - too bad it can't handle NDS.
</personal opinion>

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Barry Schnur

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In a 3x/DOS world, Netx was most excellent. Once Windows get's in the mix, it all get's
rather complicated as both Novell and Microsoft started down the 'complex is cool' road.

Barry Schnur
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Dave Lunn

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Dec 4, 2000, 3:00:00 AM12/4/00
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Barry,

Was???? Was??? What was! Is. I am not sure if any of my clients *never*
have to go back and bring up DOS, and half of 'em still use it daily.

Dave

Mike Jacoubowsky

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Dec 4, 2000, 3:00:00 AM12/4/00
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For Win98 I run the Netware 3.3 client, with mixed results. It sometimes
does something funny where it connects to the server at something like 300
baud or so. You have to reboot the machine (sometimes several times) to get
it to work right. Haven't tracked it down yet to make sure it's not some
sort of strange hardware problem with the built-in Davicom lan chip...

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
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> Was -- I have no clients running DOS only, or even Win 3.1 only.
>
> I would NOT run NETX for Win9x.

Barry Schnur

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Barry Schnur

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Davicom -- yup -- could well be a problem there. I had heard at one time that this chip
wasn't a happy camper with Client 32. I do have one workstation I support where it seems
ok though.

Dave Lunn

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Some days is harder than others. I have one client who will not forsake MS
Works original version, and requires a machine dedicated to that function
alone even though it produces but one document per month. Same client has
another user who is still PO'd at me for killing off the ws that she was
running Print Shop Plus on, and I only did that last month. Have another
client that uses only Multimate 3.3 and Quattro 1.0 for docs and ss. Please
don't tell Felton this, he'll blab it and I'll be embarassed in front of
everyone.

Dave

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Barry Schnur

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Dec 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM12/5/00
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Quattro 1.0 -- ah yes, memories. Borland's release of that product was what got me into
the sysop 'business' on CompuServe as an early TeamB sysop back in 1988.

Don Crawford

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Dec 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM12/5/00
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To Dave Lunn:

> Some days is harder than others. I have one client who will not forsake MS
> Works original version, and requires a machine dedicated to that function
> alone even though it produces but one document per month. Same client has
> another user who is still PO'd at me for killing off the ws that she was
> running Print Shop Plus on, and I only did that last month. Have another
> client that uses only Multimate 3.3 and Quattro 1.0 for docs and ss. Please
> don't tell Felton this, he'll blab it and I'll be embarassed in front of
> everyone.
>
> Dave
>

We certainly wouldn't do anything to draw Felton's attention to this message!
Heck, he might suggest I upgrade to your level of stuff! <G>


-- Don Crawford
Novell Support Connection SysOp

Mike Jacoubowsky

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Dec 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM12/5/00
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Barry: Can you think of any settings that might help it properly connect?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
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Barry Schnur

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Dec 5, 2000, 11:05:30 PM12/5/00
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Just the standard set:

Set the frame type (don't let it use auto detect)
Set the duplex (don't let it use auto detect)
Set the speed (don't let it use autodetect).
Make sure you don't have extraneous bindings on the NIC (NetBeui/TCPIP).

Dave Lunn

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Dec 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM12/6/00
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Don,

You must be the guy who runs 123 1.1 and report writer. Or are you maybe
the one using Twin? I suppose it's Judy instead of Sidekick and Wordstar
1.0 too huh?

DAve

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Ben A L Jemmett

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Dec 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM12/6/00
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> You must be the guy who runs 123 1.1
No, that's me (1-2-3 Release 1a according to the splash screen). 3.1 won't
boot on the 8086, and my 2.1 keydisk is enb0rkified I think.

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Dave Lunn

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Yeah, 1a

Want an extra copy of report writer (never opened) for it? All copy
protedted and everything. I think I can still find both of mine.

Dave
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Don Crawford

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To Dave Lunn:

> You must be the guy who runs 123 1.1 and report writer. Or are you maybe
> the one using Twin? I suppose it's Judy instead of Sidekick and Wordstar
> 1.0 too huh?
>

TRS-80 with NewDOS 80...

Dave Lunn

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Hey,

I think I have a TRS 80 I gotta get rid of at a client's need parts?

Dave


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Ben A L Jemmett

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> Want an extra copy of report writer (never opened) for it?
Does it do anything really interesting? Haven't needed to use a DOS version
of 1-2-3 for a while (SmartSuite 97 for free, not bad).

> All copy
> protedted and everything.

Better than my copy of 1-2-3. Loads a program by CPS called NOKEY before
starting. It's on a Lotus labelled disk though :)

Mike Jacoubowsky

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Dec 7, 2000, 12:11:05 PM12/7/00
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Frame type would be 802.2, speed 100m, but (really dumb question here) full
or half duplex? I know you full duplex is preferable out of the server when
running to a switch, but what are the pros/cons for a workstation? My
assumption is that full duplex would be faster, but is there any trade-off?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
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Barry Schnur

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Dec 7, 2000, 8:08:47 PM12/7/00
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>Frame type would be 802.2, speed 100m, but (really dumb question here) full
>or half duplex? I know you full duplex is preferable out of the server when
>running to a switch, but what are the pros/cons for a workstation? My
>assumption is that full duplex would be faster, but is there any trade-off?
>
Full duplex on both sides makes sense (it's one of the things that generated a sysop/sysop
discussion this summer).

We've been having a bit of a backroom discussion on this subject. One of the other sysops
who knows this area MUCH better than I do provided these comments:

Here is a collection of rules/recommendations:

1) Most important:

There is no universal recommendation as whether to use full or half
duplex. It depends entirely on the hardware you have.

2) The most important thing about half/full duplex setting of the NIC must
match the half/full duplexing of the switch port to which the NIC is
connected. Mismatches between the duplex setting will lead to undetected
collisions which will cause packet loss leading to poor performance or even
loss of communication.
3) NCP over IP is *much* more sensitive to packet loss than NCP over IPX.
So if you experience a severe performance degradation by going from IPX to
IP, this is probably due to a half/full duplex mismatch somewhere in your
net.

4) Hubs only support half duplex. Only switches can potentially support
full duplex, but not all switches do.

5) Automatic negotiation (NWAYS) works only if both the NIC and the
switch support NWAYS, and if both the NIC and the switch are set to
automatic. If one of the two does not support NWAYS or if one of the two
is statically configured to half or full duplex, the other end will not be
able to determine whether the link is operating at half or full duplex
speed, and it will default to half duplex.

6) The half/full duplex configuration of the server and the workstation
does not have to match. For example the server can communicate full duplex
with a switch while the workstation uses half duplex.
7) If both the switch and the workstations are set to full duplex and the server
is set to 100M with the workstations at 10M, this should work. This full duplex
configuration however will give you only limited performance benefit at the workstation

unless you push the workstation link very hard.In fact, one of the major advantages of

using full duplex is that you completely eliminate collisions and so you don't get the
performance degradations due to collisions when charging the link more than 30%

Don Crawford

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Dec 8, 2000, 2:17:33 PM12/8/00
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To Dave Lunn:

> I think I have a TRS 80 I gotta get rid of at a client's need parts?
>

Now, there's a thought! (Actually, I got rid of the TRS-80 some years ago,
just after seeing one in the Smithsonian!)

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