Not a residential street?
sharon....@gmail.com
organized.
Having lived at 54th & Lincoln for 17 years, it is refreshing to have
the bus removed from Lincoln St. between 52nd and 60th . We feel like
the soot has been reduced but the noise has not. Also, speeding buses
have long been a problem.
The assertion that "Lincoln is not a residential street and never has
been," is faulty. Consider that the majority of the distance Lincoln
runs to downtown is closed to any bus traffic and has limited acces
and/or speed bumps for traffic control for other motorized vehicles.
In addition, if we are "not a residential street," where are all the
businesses? They are on streets that are commercially zoned,
specifically Hawthorne and Division. There is one business on the
route #71 on Lincoln at 54th, Hair by Susanna, which is across the
street from our home. The majority of customers to that salon arrive
via personal vehicles. That business is grandfathered and any new
building placed there must be a private residence.
We are staunch supporters of public transportation; however, with the
noise and the established commercial streets, we hope that we can have
the bus removed from this portion of one of the most used and
beautiful bike and pedestrian gateways to and from downtown and Mt.
Tabor Park, one of the crown jewels of our fair city. Optimal
enjoyment of this route demands removal of loud, fast traffic.
The challenge here, we have heard, is the bus making the right turn
from 60th onto Division. This is a real challenge. Observing the
intersection, it would take some major widening and/ or modification,
but it's a pretty tight area. Such a change in the intersection,
though, would maintain service to MAX and keep the 71 a cross-town
connecting bus with major routes on Powell, Division, 50th, and
Hawthorne. Franklin High School would also still be served.
I hope our collective efforts permanently remove #71 from Lincoln
Street between 52nd & 60th, a major bike and pedestrian way on a
residential street, and that the solution still serves the best
interest of the community.
Sincerely,
Sharon & Shawn Kirkeby
5419 SE Lincoln St.
doncuong
The residents on Taylor, Madison, 55th and 52nd want to thank you for
any support you may have towards out fight against the re-routing of
bus #71 off our streets. I don't want to sound harsh, but you have
chosen to buy your house on a bus route that's been there for however
long. We, the residents of Taylor, Madison, 55th and 52nd did not want
to live on a bus route and therefore we decided not to buy our house
on a bus line. We want to keep our focus on the task at hand and try
to get Tri-Met to use their "Snow Route" as an alternative route.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but if there is no construction
on Lincoln Street you would still be stuck with bus #71 running on
Lincoln from 52nd to 60th.
On Sep 22, 5:03 pm, "sharon.kirk...@gmail.com"
Mark C. Mason
I think what's happening here is that the good folks on Lincoln are reading
our list and hearing what we're saying at the meetings, and they're thinking:
"That's just as true on my street as it is on theirs. Why can't the buses stay
on nearby arterial streets and out of our neighborhoods?"
I think it's a question worth asking, especially since Portland has city ordinances
that address the type of traffic that should be allowed on quiet residential streets.
Mark Mason
-- Mark Mason Engineering Design Team
Melissa Guthrie
on Lincoln have just as much right to fight to have the buses off their
streets as we do on 55th, 52nd, Taylor. Granted this is all being brought
to the surface as a result of the re-route early Sept., but, I believe it
affects us all and its not just limited to specific streets. Lets have some
compassion for our neighbors who share our feelings...and obviously have had
to deal with it longer than we have. I think its important that everyone
work together on this and try not to create animosity. We all share this
neighborhood and it affects us all. I believe that buses just flat do not
belong on residential streets.....Lincoln included.
Melissa
52nd Ave.
Mike Shaver
committed to standing by the rest of the neighborhood and removing
both the temporary buses and permanent buses that travel on our
residential streets. We don't think our involvement will hinder your
efforts at all, but will add additional neighborhood involvement for
long term solutions. The more people behind removing buses from
residential streets the better!
After last weeks meeting, I followed up with Tom Mills regarding the
permanent issues of the #71. Here was Tom's response:
Michael,
Thank you for your email and insights. We appreciate your
participation.
Based on last night's meeting, we have included Lincoln in our
evaluation of alternatives. We will be prepared to discuss both the
existing reroute and the permanent reroute. Like you said, the
Lincoln issues might have a longer timeline than the existing
reroute. We appreciate your patience.
Sincerely,
Tom Mills
Transportation Planning
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Shaver [mailto:msha...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:11 AM
To: Joseph, Jon; Hanson, Peggy; Mills, Tom;
lincoln_bi...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Permanent solutions to the #71
I appreciate Trimet coming to the Mt. Tabor Neighborhood meeting last
night and explaining the current issues and process you face in
regards to the rerouting of the #71 bus line. Although it may not look
like it, I think many neighbors realize the difficult nature of your
jobs; balancing ridership, neighborhood concerns, physical design
constraints, and an open process. The current path you are taking with
concerned neighbors seems like the right direction.
I know neighbors concerned about a permanent reroute of the #71 line
off of Lincoln and 52nd may have surprised you all at the meeting last
night. We realize that this issue isn't necessarily a concern of
Trimet at this moment. But we also recognize that the same issues that
the larger neighborhood are raising are directly related to the normal
#71 bus route. Many neighbors not on Lincoln now recognize this and
now see the causes directly linked.
It would be a shame to have these busy agencies and neighbors coming
together over the next month and not look at the permanent solutions
for the #71 line. Where ever we can reduce the duplication of our
efforts, I think it serves everyone. It's true that some neighbors
only concerned about the rerouting will feel that their issue should
be resolved first. I'm sure that the reroute will have to be resolved
on a shorter timeline, which is fine.
The neighbors along Lincoln and 52nd are beginning to work more
closely with the NABR Task Force to ensure that the permanent
solutions for the #71 bus are included in our discussions. We hope
that Trimet will recognize this and work with the task force to look
at the long term issues surrounding the #71.
Thanks so much for your time and effort!
Mike Shaver
Mark C. Mason
Good work, Mike!
Mike Shaver wrote:
Based on last night's meeting, we have included Lincoln in our evaluation of alternatives. We will be prepared to discuss both the existing reroute and the permanent reroute. Like you said, the Lincoln issues might have a longer timeline than the existing reroute. We appreciate your patience. Sincerely, Tom Mills Transportation Planning
-- Mark Mason Engineering Design Team
Laura Mason
Laura
Melissa Guthrie <magu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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Melissa Guthrie
Yes, but, a few folks have managed to offend and anger their neighbors by not thinking before they speak and they come across as very selfish, self serving and somewhat inconsiderate. I would hope that that was not their intention. We all want the same thing, so its important to work together and have a little compassion towards our neighbors on other streets, etc (this includes our bikers as well).….and sometimes keep your opinions to yourself if they are such that do nothing but cause harm . This in turn obviously does nothing for our cause and separates folks. It’s one thing to have something constructive to say instead of just angering or pitting people against each other…. We have a better chance of making a difference if we all work together in kind….the more involvement from our neighborhood, the better. Again, I believe this affects us all. Some folks are getting pretty disgusted by a few offensive “opinions” expressed. That’s just my opinion….
Melissa
Cuong Nguyen
I was the one that wrote the initial comment about the bus on Lincoln...I, Cuong Nguyen, live on Taylor and as I said in the beginning, it was not my intention to sound harsh or inconsiderate as you put it. I did think before I responded and it was more to try to keep us on track of what we are trying to do. I think your response to what I wrote was taken out of context. As Mike Shaver put it, the people living on Lincoln have a longer time line to deal with issue than Taylor, Madison, 55th, and 52nd. People on Lincoln did not wake up one day with the bus running down their street. Lincoln Street has been a bus line up until recently...with that said, my response was my opinion only and I did not get any approval from residents on Taylor, Madison, 55th, and 52nd, this is my opinion and not the opinions of my neighbors.
Yes, but, a few folks have managed to offend and anger their neighbors by not thinking before they speak and they come across as very selfish, self serving and somewhat inconsiderate. I would hope that that was not their intention. We all want the same thing, so its important to work together and have a little compassion towards our neighbors on other streets, etc (this includes our bikers as well).....and sometimes keep your opinions to yourself if they are such that do nothing but cause harm . This in turn obviously does nothing for our cause and separates folks. It's one thing to have something constructive to say instead of just angering or pitting people against each other.... We have a better chance of making a difference if we all work together in kind....the more involvement from our neighborhood, the better. Again, I believe this affects us all. Some folks are getting pretty disgusted by a few offensive "opinions" expressed. That's just my opinion....
Melissa Guthrie
I understand. I am not referring just to your email personally. Yours just happened to be the icing on the cake that caused me to respond. We have another neighbor here that has been posting a few opinions that most of the neighbors I have run into find a bit irritating to say the least. I am sure we all have the best intentions. I just felt it important to speak up and ask in an indirect way for some of those to think just a bit before posting. It’s a sensitive issue to us all.
Thanks and hopefully soon as a group we will all be celebrating.