History Lesson on Your Social Security Card

[BEV MORELAND]

FYI Bev --- On Wed, 7/21/10, SherriTejeda <she...@hittnergroup.com> wrote: From: SherriTejeda <she...@hittnergroup.com> Subject: FW: History Lesson on Your Social Security Card To: "'BEV MORELAND'" <peac...@yahoo.com> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 7:38 AM   Subject: History Lesson on Your Social Security Card    Your Social Security Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn't know this. It's easy to check out, if you don't believe it.  Be sure and show it to your kids. They need a little history lesson on what's what and it doesn't matter whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts!!! Social Security Cards up until the 1 980s expressly stated the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the message was removed.[9] An old Social Security card with the "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" message. Our Social Security  Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social  Security (FICA) Program. He promised:  1 .) That participation in the Program would be  Completely voluntary,  No longer Voluntary  2 .) That the participants would only have to pay  1 % of the first $ 1 ,400 of their annual  Incomes into the Program,  Now 7.65%  On the first $90,000     3.) That the money the participants elected to put  Into the Program would be deductible from  Their income for tax purposes each year,  No longer tax deductible  4.) That the money the participants put into the  Independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the  General operating fund, and therefore, would  Only be used to fund the Social Security  Retirement Program, and no other  Government program, and,  Under Johnson the money was moved to  The General Fund and Spent  5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.  Under Clinton & Gore  Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed  Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are  Now receiving a Social Security check every month --  And then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of  The money we paid to the Federal government to 'put  Away -- you may be interested in the following:  ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----  Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the  Independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the  General fund so that Congress could spend it?  A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically  Controlled House and Senate.  ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --  Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax  Deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?  A: The Democratic Party.  ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----  Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social  Security annuities?  A: The Democratic Party, with  Al Gore casting the  'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the  Senate, while he was Vice President of the  US  ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -  Q: Which Political Party decided to start Giving annuity payments to immigrants?  AND MY FAVORITE:  A: That's right!  Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.  Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,  Began to receive Social Security payments! The  Democratic Party gave these payments to them,  Even though they never paid a dime into it!  ------------ -- ------------ --------- ----- ------------ --------- ---------  Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),  The Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!  And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!  If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of  Awareness will be planted and maybe changes will  Evolve. Maybe not, some Democrats are awfully  Sure of what isn't so.  But it's worth a try. How many people can YOU send this to?  Actions speak louder than bumper stickers.  AND CONGRESS GIVES THEMSELVES 1 00% RETIREMENT FOR ONLY SERVING ONE TERM!!!

 

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[Sue and Terry Bican]

Wow!  Is this all for real do you think?  I haven't checked it out for accuracy, but I wouldn't doubt it.

Sue

[Shawn Pettman]

FYI - Snopes says mixture of true and false. 

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/changes.asp

I agree in spirit with the email below, even if some of the claims are not correct. FDR started the programs and subsequent changes / management have taken a risky idea (having the government fund retirements) and made it bankrupt.

[Sue and Terry Bican]

Hey, Thanks, Shawn for the research!

Yours in freedom,

Sue

[Dale]

Shawn,

I thought i heard that Snopes is or once was owned by George Soros.
This brings the question How UnBiased are sources like Snopes? We
just can't give the benefit of the doubt to any source anymore.

Dale

On Jul 22, 12:00 pm, Shawn Pettman <shawn.pett...@gmail.com> wrote:
> FYI - Snopes says mixture of true and false.
>
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/changes.asp
>
> I agree in spirit with the email below, even if some of the claims are not
> correct. FDR started the programs and subsequent changes / management have
> taken a risky idea (having the government fund retirements) and made it
> bankrupt.
>
>
>

> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:20 AM, BEV MORELAND <peach1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >   FYI
>
> > *Bev*

>
> > --- On *Wed, 7/21/10, SherriTejeda <she...@hittnergroup.com>* wrote:
>
> > From: SherriTejeda <she...@hittnergroup.com>
> > Subject: FW: History Lesson on Your Social Security Card
> > To: "'BEV MORELAND'" <peach1...@yahoo.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 7:38 AM
>

> > *Subject: History Lesson on Your Social Security Card*
>
> > *Your Social Security*

>
> > Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn't
> > know this. It's easy to check out, if you don't believe it.  Be sure and
> > show it to your kids. They need a little history lesson on what's what and
> > it doesn't matter whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts!!!

> > *Social Security Cards up until the 1 980s expressly stated the number and

> > card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone
> > in the United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway

> > and the message was removed*.[9]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_number#cite_note-8>
> > [image:http://blog.kir.com/archives/images/socialsecurity.gif]<http://blog.kir.com/archives/images/social%20security.gif>
> > *An old Social Security card with the "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" message.*
> > *Our Social Security

>
> > Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social
> > Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
>
> > 1 .) That participation in the Program would be

> > Completely voluntary,*
>
> > *No longer Voluntary*
>
> > *

> > 2 .) That the participants would only have to pay
> > 1 % of the first $ 1 ,400 of their annual

> > Incomes into the Program,*
>
> > *Now 7.65%*
> > On the first $90,000
>
> > *
> > **3.) That the money the participants elected to put

> > Into the Program would be deductible from

> > Their income for tax purposes each year,*
>
> > *No longer tax deductible*
>
> > *

> > 4.) That the money the participants put into the
> > Independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the
> > General operating fund, and therefore, would
> > Only be used to fund the Social Security
> > Retirement Program, and no other

> > Government program, and,*
>
> > *Under Johnson the money was moved to*
> > *The General Fund and Spent*
>
> > *

> > 5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as

> > income.*
>
> > *Under Clinton & Gore*
> > *Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed*
>
> > *Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are

> > Now receiving a Social Security check every month --
> > And then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of
> > The money we paid to the Federal government to 'put
> > Away -- you may be interested in the following:
>

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- **

>
> > Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
> > Independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the
> > General fund so that Congress could spend it?

> > **

> > A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically

> > Controlled House and Senate. **

>
> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > -- **

>
> > Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
> > Deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

> > **
> > A: The Democratic Party. **

>
> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > ----- **

>
> > Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
> > Security annuities?

> > **

> > A: The Democratic Party, with  Al Gore casting the
> > 'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the

> > Senate, while he was Vice President of the  US **

>
> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > **

>
> > Q: Which Political Party decided to start
> > Giving annuity payments to immigrants?

> > **
> > AND MY FAVORITE:
>
> > A: That's right!*
>
> > *Jimmy Carter* *and the Democratic Party.

> > Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
> > Began to receive Social Security payments! The
> > Democratic Party gave these payments to them,

> > Even though they never paid a dime into it! **

>
> > ------------ -- ------------ --------- ----- ------------ ---------

> > --------- **
>
> > Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), *
> > *The Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take
> > your Social Security away! **
>
> > And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!*
> > *If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of

> > Awareness will be planted and maybe changes will
> > Evolve. Maybe not, some Democrats are awfully
> > Sure of what isn't so.
>
> > But it's worth a try. How many people can YOU send this to?
>

> > Actions speak louder than bumper stickers.*
>
> > *AND CONGRESS GIVES THEMSELVES 1 00% RETIREMENT FOR ONLY SERVING ONE
> > TERM!!!*
>
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[Shawn Pettman]

Actually Dale, Snopes is owned by David and Barbara Mikkelson of Agoura Hills, California (easily available to see who owns snopes - google results include LA Times, factcheck.org, urbanledgends, etc.)  

If you read the analysis of this post they have researched and reference the actual laws as they were passed and quote the specific language.  While no one is without the capacity for bias and inaccuracies, if the question is believing an anonymous, unreferenced, viral email or snopes.com I am going to pick snopes.  I guess I am wondering what your criteria would be for believing a source, is the litmus test if it supports what you already believe?  

In my opinion, it's best to be certain you have the facts on your side as to not lose credibility like Obama.  In his latest touting of the stimulus package he claims 3 times more impact than his own Christina Romer publicized (which Romer's analysis is specious at best).  No one believes the "O"liar in chief anymore which is a large part of why his ratings are in the tank when he speaks these days.  If we want to pull more people into the conservative fold, we need to preserve our credibility.  To me that means cutting the black helicopter stuff and  focusing on the actions of the liberals in power.  

Shawn  

[Dale]

Shawn,

Is it possible that what i said in the reply could be taken in another
way? Email has a nasty way of being mis-judged. "We
just can't give the benefit of the doubt to any source anymore." was a
general thought about if the Journolist existed why would it be
unreasonable to think there could be disinformation on the net.

I didn't intend what you seem to have gotten from my reply. Now
though it seems i have a better picture of how you view me.

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[J.A. Simmons V]

The biggest litmus test for myself is references. Snopes has constantly done its research and posts the resources they use to come to their conclusions. The biggest problem is that citizens need to check those resources. I have seen a lot of chain e-mails recently, referencing snopes as to the validity of the contents, only to click through and see that snopes claims the e-mail to be of partial truths.

Just like anything in this world, you have to determine your levels of trust for your sources of information, and even then verify randomly. Opinions are just that and without facts or reasonable deductions, are just faith.

 

My general rule of thumb is if I am going to send on an e-mail and attach my name/reputation, and thus the trust others have in me, to said email, I am going to fact check it just because I have an aversion to being wrong. Especially if that e-mail is going to multiple people.

But that is my standard, so take it for what it is worth.

 

Regards,

Simmons