RFJ Case 6001.1

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A new Request for Judgment has been submitted by Jef. Ouroboros has been selected as the judge on Case 6001.1

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RFJ
[Title] The King of Points?
[Creator] Jef
[Create Date] 2007-10-06 10:20
[Statement] {Proposal 314} is not valid.
[Arguments] Ouroboros was not Point King nor Whale Scum at the start of Turn 9-4, nor were there any other circumstances to grant him an extra proposal this turn. Ouroboros was Point King the prior turn, but lost that status at the end of Turn 9-3. This RFJ will clarify at which time the Point King and Whale Scum status counts in terms of getting an extra proposal. My contention is that this moment is at the start of the turn in which the proposals would be voted on.
[Decision] Undecided
[Judge] Ouroboros
[Reasoning]

["Looney" Lurie]

Here's my opinion of how the Noncept-triggerings play out. If anyone
disagrees, we'll have a second RFJ.

Jef triggers 207 by submitting the RFJ. 208 is also triggered, but it
isn't a Noncept.
209 would be triggered by Judge Ouroboros if he recuses himself (as he
should).
If the ruling is appealed, whoever submits the appeal triggers 210.

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[Ouroboros]

I welcome additional opinions as I weigh the merits of this case.
-Ouro

On Oct 6, 10:31 am, "\"Looney\" Lurie" <comp_wizard11...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

[Physics]

I think the most important fact is that the PK/WS rule uses present
tense. That seems to mean you currently have to be the Point King.

[metaloop]

I also think that the rule states everything in present tense and so
you have to be a current PK or WS to submit extra proposals.
Additionally, in the interim between two turns, you do get to know if
you are PK or WS or neither. So, it is quite clear when one can submit
extra proposals.

[Ouroboros]

Again, I do not see the correct option to submit my decision on the
website.
There is no link from the RFJ page, and I do not find the appropriate
option in the dropdown on the Drafts page.

I communicate to you all that I find Jef's argument in 6001.1 valid,
and judge this RFJ TRUE.
I would like to be able to enter that on the website.
- Ouro

["Looney" Lurie]

I believe it is an automatically created draft. Check your extant draft
list. But it really doesn't matter, as your emailed ruling is
sufficient for game purposes, and the Administrator can always post it
on the website manually.

On an unrelated topic, I'd just like to remind people that Rules
209-211, despite dealing with RFJs, have not yet been invoked, and are
still Noncepts. In particular, only the first paragraph (recusals) is
relevant to the status of Rule 209. The second paragraph, dealing with
rulings, is redundant, as 207 already specifies that RFJ statements are
to be judged true or false, and 113 makes it clear that anything not
regulated by the rules (such as explanatory comments) is permissible.
Therefore, there is no need for an RFJ to invoke 209. As officer, I
consider 209 to remain uninvoked until such a time as a recusal is
submitted.

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[Jef]

Looney is correct--there should be a draft on your drafts page for the
RFJ, but you should have also received a direct link in the email
notifying you of being judge... if not, let me know and I'll fix that.

-Jef

[Ouroboros]

Submitted now, using the link from the email of judge selection.
Thanks.
-Ouro

On Oct 12, 4:25 pm, Jef <j...@nomicron.org> wrote:
> Looney is correct--there should be a draft on your drafts page for the
> RFJ, but you should have also received a direct link in the email
> notifying you of being judge... if not, let me know and I'll fix that.
>
> -Jef
>

> On 10/12/07, Looney Lurie <comp_wizard11...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I believe it is an automatically created draft. Check your extant draft
> > list. But it really doesn't matter, as your emailed ruling is
> > sufficient for game purposes, and the Administrator can always post it
> > on the website manually.
>
> > On an unrelated topic, I'd just like to remind people that Rules
> > 209-211, despite dealing with RFJs, have not yet been invoked, and are
> > still Noncepts. In particular, only the first paragraph (recusals) is
> > relevant to the status of Rule 209. The second paragraph, dealing with
> > rulings, is redundant, as 207 already specifies that RFJ statements are
> > to be judged true or false, and 113 makes it clear that anything not
> > regulated by the rules (such as explanatory comments) is permissible.
> > Therefore, there is no need for an RFJ to invoke 209. As officer, I
> > consider 209 to remain uninvoked until such a time as a recusal is
> > submitted.
>