Chinese style reforms for Cuba?
posei...@sympatico.ca
and powerless to cope with their miseries...it is Kastro.
why ? to know the answer you have to go back to the beginning of his
rule...and how it was a premeditated paln to confiscate and nationalize
every private property of business...the end of this ?
TO KEEP PEOPLE DOWN AND SUBMISSIVE WITHOUT THE FINANTIAL POWER TO ORGANIZE
ANY OPPOSITION TO HIS
REGIME...
so I doubt that it is in his mind and those of his henchmen to yield any
form of finantial or economical freedoms that might endanger his rule...his
totalitarian dictatorship over the people of Cuba.
Brian Turner <myr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, the reforms are far from perfect, and parts of central and western
> China haven't benefited much since 1985 and have lost some good aspects of
> the Mao era like barefoot Drs. In 1992, 45% of villages still had an
> effective health care system, I don't know a more recent #. Schooling
used
> to be universal and has broken down as well in western and central
villages,
> especially for girls, because the gov'ts can't collect taxes, which used
to
> be taken automatically out of the collective's harvest before
distribution.
>
> Nevertheless, this doesn't change my point that the reforms liberated a
lot
> of initiatve and have produced huge growth rates. Until 1985, everyone
saw
> huge rises in living standards. Since then, the growth has been
> geographically maldistributed however, a valid criticism, but not one that
> the central planning system could have fixed. The central planning system
> could not have produced these growth rates either.
>
> The most dymanic sector is township and village community owned (or
> subleased yet controlled) enterprises. Mao, under an ideology of local
self
> sufficiency had urged the creation of small scale rural factories. They
> were run autonomously, but ONLY ag complementary factories for local use
> were allowed. These factories were moderately helpful, but unspectacular.
> But when given autonomy and the freedom to produce whatever they thought
> would bring a profit instead of only local consumption and services, they
> exploded (although, disproportioally in the eastern 1/3). Read the 1999
> book by Stanford prof. Jean Oi RURAL CHINA TAKES OFF. The TVEs were
> created by the accumulation made possible by Mao's collectives (because
with
> basic hunger problem solved, further gains could be focused on), but then
> the market liberated them to thrive. This is why I say both periods were
> economic successes and complementary.
>
> Cuba would be wise to give small levels of govts or groups of individuals
> control of firms, a market to sell in, and freedom from far away central
> gov't interference by ignorant planners. I don't see how pointing out the
> flaws in China's system changes this need, if even greater gains can be
> noted.
>
> Brian Turner bk...@hotmail.com
>
>
>
> "Sayan Bhattacharyya" <bhat...@engin.umich.edu> wrote in message
> news:y6Wr6.154$96....@srvr1.engin.umich.edu...
> > Brian Turner (myr...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
> >
> > > [..] urban Chinese work 40
> > > hour weeks in fair conditions, with low pay, but enough for rent and
> food
> > > and some appliances usually.
> > >
> > > It's silly to say though, that the economic reforms didn't deliver a
> higher
> > > standard of living, even if they are leaving some behind and allowing
> some
> > > abuses. Average GNP growth has been on average 6-7% (after adjusting
> for
> > > inflations in their accounting methods), and much of this is consumer
> goods.
> > > Cuba may be richer, but only because it started way ahead, China is
> catching
> > > up.
> >
> > Today's New York Times has a front-page article which seems to
contradict
> > your view that reforms have led to a general improvement in the quality
of
> > life, especially with regard to health care.
> >
> >
> > Without 'Barefoot Doctors,' China's Rural Families Suffer
> >
> > By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
> >
> > (NY Times March 14, 2001, Page 1)
> >
> > [..]
> >
> > Huge numbers of China's 800 million rural residents are in a medical
> > free fall, as the once-vaunted system of "barefoot doctors" and free
> rural
> > clinics has disintegrated over the last decade, a side effect of
> > successful market-oriented changes.
> >
> > As central government planners have withdrawn from people's lives, they
> > have taken with them most subsidies for social services like health and
> > education, hoping that local coffers and initiatives would fill the
gap.
> > They have not.
> >
> > The rural health system has become a hodgepodge of hospitals and
> > clinics that are often privately run and almost always prohibitively
> > expensive, where treatment for a cold can eat up two months' income
> > and giving birth in a hospital two years of hard-earned cash.
> >
> > With health costs that increased 400 to 500 percent from 1990 to 1997,
> > according to a new United Nations report, medical care in many rural
> > areas is so costly that people have stopped seeing doctors except in
> > extreme emergencies. The ill endure pain, chronic infection and the
> > risks of childbirth at home.
> >
> > [..]
> >
> > (NY Times March 14, 2001, Page 1)
> >
> >
>
>
Richard Periut
this distilled hatred for the present regime, that whatever successors remain
after Castro's demise, are going to literally RUN TO THE HILLS!!! This is a
different phenomenon compared to China.
Richard Periut
Brian Turner wrote:
> I know, by "Cuba" I meant the Cuban gov't, which he dominates. That's not
> an unusual use of language in such discussions. I doubt anyone read that as
> something intrinsic to Cuban culture that little or no market activity is
> allowed.
>
> By the way, how would you feel if Castro's successors try to keep Communist
> Party monopoly rule but abandon central planning for a mixed ownership
> market economy? Would you be pleased while not satisfied, or would you
> denounce them just as much as now?
>
> I have no prejudgement in mind, I'm just curious.
>
> <posei...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Brian Turner
an unusual use of language in such discussions. I doubt anyone read that as
something intrinsic to Cuban culture that little or no market activity is
allowed.
By the way, how would you feel if Castro's successors try to keep Communist
Party monopoly rule but abandon central planning for a mixed ownership
market economy? Would you be pleased while not satisfied, or would you
denounce them just as much as now?
I have no prejudgement in mind, I'm just curious.
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