Credibility of Major Jesse Marcel Sr,and Jesse Marcel Jr.
Bert ( A W RvB )
Jesse Marcel Sr vond in 1947 brokstukken van een van de twee
neergestorte alien vliegende schotels in 1947 nabij Roswell Mexico USA.
De USA legerleiding heeft tijdens de persconferentie Jess Marcel Sr als
zondebok gebruikt om de aandacht van het werkelijk door het leger
gevonden materiaal af te leiden. Jesse Marcel Sr heeft zijn zoon Jesse
Marcel Jr gevraagd om na de dood van Marcel Sr zelf de zaak openbaar te
maken en dat is wat Marcel Jr heeft gedaan.
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Jesse Marcel Sr was van de 509th Composite Bomb Group in Nevada de "S-2
Intelligence Officer" De 509th Composite Bomb Group was het
luchtmachtonderdeel die de twee atoombommen op Japan heeft afgeworpen en
Jesse Marcel Sr heeft meegewerkt met het bepalen van de plaatsen waar
de bommen afgeworpen afgeworpen dienden te worden. En voordat elk van
die twee vluchten begon was het Jesse Marcel Sr die de bemanning de
orders gaf over de vlucht. Jesse Marcel Sr was tijdens WO2 ( 1939-1945 )
de beste veiligheidsspecialist van het USA leger.
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http://roswellproof.com/AP5_July9.html
Wat opvalt is dat Marcel Sr na die persconferentie over die twee
neergestorte vliegende schotels drie weken verlof kreeg en in die drie
weken niet naar huis mocht maar in die tijd werd ondervraagd over wat
hij allemaal had gezien. Verder werd Marcel Sr bevorderd en kreeg ander
intelligence werk.
http://roswellproof.com/marcel_evaluations.html
In addition, Marcel's career did not seem to suffer any adverse effects.
He remained the head intelligence officer at Roswell for another year.
He was promoted to Lt.-Colonel in the Air Force Reserve the following
November (both Blanchard and Dubose recommended approval) and was not
quietly let go when his comission ran out in early 1948, as might well
have happened if the Air Force felt they had a rash and unreliable
intelligence officer who caused them a great deal of public
embarrassment. Instead he was recommissioned, and was soon transferred
to Washington D.C. in August 1948 for higher intelligence work. (Ramey
registered a mild protest, saying he had nobody to replace him.)
First he was made the SAC (Strategic Air Command) Chief of a presumed
foreign technology intelligence division, an odd assignment for somebody
who allegedly couldn't identify even mundane balloon debris. (Actual
job position: Chief, Alien Capabilities Section, Intelligence Division,
Hq. SAC) Then at the Pentagon's insistence, he was soon transferred to
the Top Secret Special Weapons Project, given access to highly sensitive
material, and served as the primary briefing officer for the higher
brass in the project. There he also received two highly laudatory
evaluations. Obviously the Air Force continued to feel Marcel was an
extremely competent and trustworthy intelligence officer following the
Roswell incident. None of this fits the profile of someone who badly
bungled his intelligence job at Roswell, as the debunkers contend.
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Major Marcel voluntarily enlisted in the U.S. Army Air Force in December
1941.
Up until his death in 1986, Major Marcel repeatedly stated that the
material we examined was as he described it, �not of this earth,� and
that the truth about Roswell had yet to be revealed to the public. In
order to reveal that truth, Jesse Jr�s. father made him promise to see
the true story told. Jesse Jr. fulfilled that promise with his book in
2007, and anyone seriously interested in the Roswell Incident would
benefit from reading it, before criticizing or demeaning them.
In 1942 Marcel attended the Army Air Force Intelligence School as a 1st
Lieutenant. After graduation he was invited to join the school�s
faculty, an honor bestowed upon only the brightest and most talented
students.
Two years later Marcel would be assigned to the 509th Composite Bomb
Group in Nevada as their S-2 Intelligence Officer. He was now part of a
special, hand-picked group, where the work was classified as Top-Secret.
While in Nevada he helped work out the details of dropping the atomic
bombs on Japan. The 509th was then assigned to the island of Tinian,
where Marcel participated in briefing the flight crews before the
missions to Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Setting aside my thoughts about the Marcel�s credibility, lets not
forget that the debris Major Marcel took to General Ramey�s office was
changed to a weather balloon for the photos taken by James Bond Johnson.
I interviewed Johnson as did Kevin Randle and David Rudiak, prior to my
interview with him. In all three interviews James Bond Johnson�s remarks
were less than factual about his involvement. He did take the
photographs, but was not involved in any other way, in fact telling me
in our first conversation, that he knew very little about the Roswell
Incident. The interview can be read at: www.truthseekeratroswell.com.
The really sad part for me is the fact that when General Ramey ordered
Major Marcel to pose for the pictures with the obvious weather balloon
on the floor of the Generals office, General Ramey ordered Marcel to
keep silent, and to not make any comments in the presence of the
civilian photographer. That appears to be when the cover-up became a
reality, and Major Marcel realized he was in the middle of it, and had
become the scapegoat. For those that have seen the photographs taken in
General Ramey�s office, it�s apparent to me that there are unopened
packages along the wall, and more importantly the brown paper on the
floor under the debris staged for the photographs is from a new roll of
paper and shows no indication of ever being wrapped around any debris or
anything else brought to Fort Worth by Major Marcel.
--
Bert ( A W RvB )
be...@rjrsnvbrn.nl
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Bert ( A W RvB )
> 2007, and anyone seriously interested in the Roswell Incident would
> benefit from reading it, before criticizing or demeaning them.
>
>
> In 1942 Marcel attended the Army Air Force Intelligence School as a 1st
> students.
>
> Two years later Marcel would be assigned to the 509th Composite Bomb
> Group in Nevada as their S-2 Intelligence Officer. He was now part of a
> special, hand-picked group, where the work was classified as Top-Secret.
> While in Nevada he helped work out the details of dropping the atomic
> bombs on Japan. The 509th was then assigned to the island of Tinian,
> where Marcel participated in briefing the flight crews before the
> missions to Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
>
>
>
>
> forget that the debris Major Marcel took to General Ramey’s office was
> I interviewed Johnson as did Kevin Randle and David Rudiak, prior to my
> photographs, but was not involved in any other way, in fact telling me
> in our first conversation, that he knew very little about the Roswell
> Incident. The interview can be read at: www.truthseekeratroswell.com.
>
>
> The really sad part for me is the fact that when General Ramey ordered
> Major Marcel to pose for the pictures with the obvious weather balloon
> on the floor of the Generals office, General Ramey ordered Marcel to
> keep silent, and to not make any comments in the presence of the
> civilian photographer. That appears to be when the cover-up became a
> reality, and Major Marcel realized he was in the middle of it, and had
> become the scapegoat. For those that have seen the photographs taken in
> floor under the debris staged for the photographs is from a new roll of
> paper and shows no indication of ever being wrapped around any debris or
> anything else brought to Fort Worth by Major Marcel.
Dit bevat interessante informatie omdat er iets staat over twee
inzittenden ( aliens ) die de vliegende schotel crash overleefden maar
zwaar gewond waren omdat ze hete gassen hadden ingeademd waardoor hun
kelen waren verbrand!
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Bill Brazel's Testimony (The Roswell Incident:March, June, and
December, 1979):
Bill and Shirley Brazel of Captain, New Mexico, recall the
incident well. Bill Brazel is an employee of Texas Instruments
and spends the better part of his time working away from home as
a geoseismologist in Alaska's North Slope oil region.
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Final Part - 3
Question: Was there any writing or markings on any of the
material you had?
No, not on what I had. But Dad did say one time that there were
what he called "figures" on some of the pieces he found. He often
referred to the petroglyphs the ancient Indians drew on rocks
around here as "figures" too, and I think that's what he meant to
compare them with.
Question: What ever became of this collection of yours? Do you
still have it?
Now that's the curious part of the story. No, I don't have it.
One night about two years after Dad's incident, I went into
Corona for the evening. While I was there, I guess I talked too
much - more than I should have. I know I mentioned having this
collection to someone. Anyway, the next day a staff car came out
to the ranch from Roswell with a Captain and three enlisted men
in it. Dad was away at the time; but it turned out they didn't
want him anyway. They wanted me. Seems the Captain--Armstrong, I
think was his name was, Captain Armstrong--had heard about my
collection and asked to see it. Of course I showed it to him, and
he said that this stuff was important to the country's security
and that it was most important that I let him have it to take
back with him. He seemed more interested in the string-like stuff
than in any of the rest of it. I didn't know what else to do, so
I agreed. Next he wanted me to take them out to the pasture where
I had found this stuff. I said O.K. and took them there. After
they poked around a bit and satisfied themselves that there
didn't appear to be any more of the material out there, the
captain again asked me if I had any more of this material or if I
knew of anyone else who did. I said no, I didn't; and he said
that if I ever found any more that it was most important that I
call him at Roswell right away. Naturally, I said I would, but I
never did because after that I never found any more.
Question: Could this material have been part of a balloon of some
sort?
No, I can answer that for sure. It was definitely not any kind of
balloon. We've picked up balloons all over this country and any
time we found one we always turned it in because there was
sometimes a reward for them. This was no balloon, although I once
asked Dad if he ever found anything like an instrument package
connected with this stuff. He said no, there was no instrument
package.
Strangely enough, when Dad first got into Roswell it was the
weather bureau he called first about this stuff he had found. It
was the weather bureau that told him he had better see the
sheriff about it.
One more thing you might be interested in. One time I asked Dad
whether there was any burned spot on the ground where this
wreckage was. He said no, but that he had noticed on his second
trip out there that some of the vegetation in the area seemed to
have been singed. I don't recall seeing anything like that
myself, but that's what he said.
Question: Did your father ever mention anything about any
creatures with this wreckage?
No, Dad never mentioned anything like that, but it's curious you
should ask. There was a fellow who worked with me on a job in
Alaska for a while who seemed to know something about that. We
were talking about a number of things one evening and the topic
of that flying saucer that was supposed to have touched down for
a while on the Alaskan tundra came up. I mentioned to him about
what Dad had been involved in, and to my surprise he asked me if
I wanted to know more about that. Then he said that they had
discovered the rest of that thing after it had come down in a
desert area, and that there were some creatures found with it. He
told me that when they had got inside of this wrecked saucer,
that two of these creatures --he said they were about three and a
half or four feet tall and bald--were still alive but that their
throats had been badly burned from inhaling burning gases or
fumes or something, and that they couldn't communicate. He said
they were taken to California and kept alive on respirators for a
period of time afterwards, but that both had died before we could
figure out how to communicate effectively with them. This
fellow's name was Lamme, and he told me the names of two other
men who had been involved with this incident, but I can't recall
what names they were right now. That's really all I can tell you
on that one, except it sure surprised me to hear such a story.
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Boze opa
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Altijd maar terugvallen op die oude meuk. Kom eens met iets van NU.
Iedereen heeft nu iets bij zich om beeld vast te leggen, nu nog de beelden,
scherp en talrijk. Nee dus. Bert, zoek een andere hobby.
Bert ( A W RvB )
> "Bert ( A W RvB )" <a.w....@online.nl> schreef in bericht
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>> Bert ( A W RvB ) schreef:
>>>
>>> Jesse Marcel Sr vond in 1947 brokstukken van een van de twee
>>> neergestorte alien vliegende schotels in 1947 nabij Roswell Mexico USA.
>>> De USA legerleiding heeft tijdens de persconferentie Jess Marcel Sr als
>>> zondebok gebruikt om de aandacht van het werkelijk door het leger
>>> gevonden materiaal af te leiden. Jesse Marcel Sr heeft zijn zoon Jesse
>>> Marcel Jr gevraagd om na de dood van Marcel Sr zelf de zaak openbaar te
>>> maken en dat is wat Marcel Jr heeft gedaan.
>>>
>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>
>>> Jesse Marcel Sr was van de 509th Composite Bomb Group in Nevada de "S-2
>>> Intelligence Officer" De 509th Composite Bomb Group was het
>>> luchtmachtonderdeel die de twee atoombommen op Japan heeft afgeworpen en
>>> Jesse Marcel Sr heeft meegewerkt met het bepalen van de plaatsen waar de
>>> bommen afgeworpen afgeworpen dienden te worden. En voordat elk van die
>>> twee vluchten begon was het Jesse Marcel Sr die de bemanning de orders
>>> gaf over de vlucht. Jesse Marcel Sr was tijdens WO2 ( 1939-1945 ) de
>>> beste veiligheidsspecialist van het USA leger.
[KNIP]
> Altijd maar terugvallen op die oude meuk.
Wat is er mis met deze oude meuk?
Vooral omdat het President Bill Clinton is geweest die het verbod om
over deze Roswell crash, welke in 1947 nabij Roswell in Nieuw Mexico USA
plaats vond, te spreken heeft opgeheven. Dus sinds een jaar of tien
kunnen getuigen openlijk spreken zonder bang te zijn voor sancties,
zoals het afpakken van het pensioen enzovoort, en het is dus sinds een
paar jaar dat het mogelijk is om de stukjes puzzel te kunnen gaan
samenvoegen waardoor een beter en of een nieuw beeld ontstaat.
Dus U heeft in het geheel niet de moeite genomen om even na te gaan wat
of er eigenlijk aan de hand kan zijn en dat is wat van posters in
nl.wetenschap toch wel verwacht kan en mag worden.
> Kom eens met iets van NU.
> Iedereen heeft nu iets bij zich om beeld vast te leggen, nu nog de beelden,
> scherp en talrijk.
Alleen zo'n gek als U kan zoiets verzinnen!
> Nee dus. Bert, zoek een andere hobby.
Waar bemoeit U zich mee?
Ben Dover
>
> Wat is er mis met deze oude meuk?
>
> Vooral omdat het President Bill Clinton is geweest die het verbod om
> over deze Roswell crash, welke in 1947 nabij Roswell in Nieuw Mexico USA
> plaats vond, te spreken heeft opgeheven. Dus sinds een jaar of tien
Het was verboden om erover te spreken? Je hebt vast geen bron.
> kunnen getuigen openlijk spreken zonder bang te zijn voor sancties,
> zoals het afpakken van het pensioen enzovoort, en het is dus sinds een
Bron?
> paar jaar dat het mogelijk is om de stukjes puzzel te kunnen gaan
> samenvoegen waardoor een beter en of een nieuw beeld ontstaat.
Als er nu over gesproken mag worden, dan vraag ik me af waarom je eerder
beweerde dat men bepaalde documentaires niet mag uitzenden op de
Amerikaanse TV, en waarom getuigen met de dood bedreigd worden.
Je spreekt jezelf voor de verandering nog ens tegen.
> Dus U heeft in het geheel niet de moeite genomen om even na te gaan
> wat of er eigenlijk aan de hand kan zijn en dat is wat van posters in
> nl.wetenschap toch wel verwacht kan en mag worden.
>
>
>> Kom eens met iets van NU. Iedereen heeft nu iets bij zich om beeld
>> vast te leggen, nu nog de beelden, scherp en talrijk.
>
> Alleen zo'n gek als U kan zoiets verzinnen!
Wat zegt je psy erover?
Boze opa
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> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:49:08 +0200, "Boze opa" <boz...@quicknospamnet.nl>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Altijd maar terugvallen op die oude meuk. Kom eens met iets van NU.
>>Iedereen heeft nu iets bij zich om beeld vast te leggen, nu nog de
>>beelden,
>>scherp en talrijk. Nee dus. Bert, zoek een andere hobby.
>
> bagger kwoten? Of is dat de leeftijd?
>
> Amsterd@mmer
>
>
Sorry, op mijn leeftijd gaat alles een beetje minder, alleen vergeten, dat
gaat steeds beter. Het kan ook de drank of het late uur geweest zijn, maar
dat weet ik niet meer.
B.o.