Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

L. Ron Hubbard was murdered

1 view
Skip to first unread message

Barbara loves Marty

unread,
Jul 23, 2009, 8:11:29 PM7/23/09
to
See the video how DM covers it up.

Again, I don't believe that he murdered Ron but he sure covered it up
by telling Scientologists that Ron choose to die (leave the body to do
reseach which he can't do without body and that he was done with all
the research), which he did not.

And it wasn't even L. Ron Hubbard who died in 1986 but the impostor.
L. Ron Hubbard was murdered already before.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4795916476185244372


I don't think that DM wrote this speech because he reads word for word
what's on the paper. But "L.Ron Hubbard's biographer" wasn't yet
hired.

If DM would have written the speech himself, he would not have to read
it word for word as it would be more in his mind than on the paper,
right?

So who wrote that speech? DM's case officers? So, who are they?

I know that they are people who lie to Scientologists that the
impostor was L. Ron Hubbard and that the original was not murdered.

And look how little pomp there was on the stage.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4795916476185244372

But that was before DM played Ludwig the II of Bavaria with SCN money.


Barbara Schwarz
--


L. Ron Hubbard


Do not tell lies. Lies are the product of fear, malice and envy.
They can drive people to acts of desperation. They can ruin lives.
They create a kind of trap into which the teller and the target can
both fall.
Interpersonal and social chaos can result. Many wars began because of
lies.


SMASHERKARL

unread,
Jul 23, 2009, 10:54:42 PM7/23/09
to
Thanks for the information, Barbara.

I think DM is actually a murderer:

"...Another mysterious but key death was that of Flo Barnett,
Miscavige's mother-in-law.

She died in 1985 of three shots to the chest and one to the temple
from a semi-automatic rifle.
Two suicide notes were found. Although she was only 5'3" tall (and
weighed only
114 pounds), the examiner determined she shot herself three times in
the chest (with a rifle) before shooting herself through the head.
(See coroner's report attached as Exhibit V.) What the authorities
didn't know was that she had left Scientology and was associating with
apostates, to the anger of her son-in- law Miscavige"

THE DEATH OF FLO BARNETT

"11. Flo Barnett's suicide was a scandal within the inner circles of
Scientology. This was not due to the fact that she supposedly
committed suicide, but due to the fact that she had become a member of
a declared enemy group, David Mayo's Advanced Ability Center. She was
receiving auditing and assistance from this group and at the time of
her death, possessed a pack of the NED for OTS (secret upper level
auditing procedures) which were believed to have come from David
Mayo's group. Flo Barnett's membership in this group made her a
suppressive person as she was actively "squirreling" and a member of a
suppressive group.

The fact that David Miscavige was linked to her by familial ties was
extremely repugnant to him and to his wife, Michelle Miscavige. David
Miscavige's comment upon her death was that "the bitch got what she
deserved."

His wife Shelly, did not appear to feel any different about it than
David. I asked Shelly if she was doing alright since receiving this
bad news. She said that personally she was doing just fine and that
this was an excellent opportunity to find out where the NED for OTs
materials had come from and to use it as leverage against Mayo.

She also stated that it was not surprising that this happened to her
mother since she had been "squirelling". The circumstances of the
deaths of both Flo Barnett and Yvonne Jentzsch are very relevant to
the issues in this case, as I understand them to be."

http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/aznaran19940307.html#11

( I don't say that he did the actual murder(s)...he just got someone
else to do his dirty work for him. As usual.)


Honest Abe

unread,
Jul 24, 2009, 2:21:42 PM7/24/09
to
If Hubbard was murdered, that alone completely discredits all of his claims
about the "OT" states and powers. The world's most highly accomplished OT,
"Source", vulnerable to attack and murder?

Dianetics has some value, properly done. Most of the rest of $cientology is
just a brainwashing, subjugating, money-making SCAM!


Barbara Schwarz

unread,
Jul 24, 2009, 8:35:57 PM7/24/09
to
On Jul 23, 9:54 pm, SMASHERKARL <k...@atheist.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the information, Barbara.
>
> I think DM is actually a murderer:
>
> "...Another mysterious but key death was that of Flo Barnett,
> Miscavige's mother-in-law.

I don't know anything about this, Smasher. But I do know that the real
Ron was murdered and that the Vistaril man was not Ron.
I am sure that the original Ron was murdered by medical doctors and
psychiatrists working for the German secret service.

Barbara Schwarz

Phil Scott defames L. Ron Hubbard by fabricating the worst kind of
stuff about him.
That's why I don't talk anymore to Phil Scott. He is obsessed with
satan crap and defamation.
--

--
Tilman Joerg Hausherr, from Berlin, Siemens employee webs defamation
on me that he and Korey Jerome Kruse aka Simkatu and
other socks scribbled once on Wikipedia:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/intolerance-hate/whistle-blowers/the-clearwater-letters/tilman-hausherr/
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/kids.htm#Debate_with_Tilman_Hausherr
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Hausherr&btnG=Google+Search&domains=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM&sitesearch=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM
http://www.alarmgermany.org/tilman.htm
http://cyber-stalker-korey-jerome-kruse.blogspot.com/
http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-156307.html

Barbara Schwarz

unread,
Jul 24, 2009, 8:43:00 PM7/24/09
to
On Jul 24, 1:21 pm, "Honest Abe" <freespe...@4ever.net> wrote:
> If Hubbard was murdered, that alone completely discredits all of his claims
> about the "OT" states and powers. The world's most highly accomplished OT,
> "Source", vulnerable to attack and murder?

Jesus was murdered too. Does this mean that Jesus had no abilities and
no powers?

If you are alone and 30 strong and evil doctors barge in your place
and place a hankerchief with a narcotic on your nose, what would you
do? There is not much more than you can do. He sent me a message
during that night. So, I got it. Pretty effective of him as I am here
to tell the story, which would be otherwise not told.

The body can be destroyed easily but Ron had a backup plan.

But there is more to it, despite that Ron was murdered, he will win.
He will be vindicated and the truth will come out and he will come
back.
I doubt that DM or the infiltrated orgs will let him in but the last
chapter of the story is not yet written. There is still a lot history
to be made.

Honest Abe

unread,
Jul 25, 2009, 2:56:02 PM7/25/09
to
"Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSc...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:70978b06-38f2-4c57...@c1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...

On Jul 24, 1:21 pm, "Honest Abe" <freespe...@4ever.net> wrote:
> If Hubbard was murdered, that alone completely discredits all of his
> claims
> about the "OT" states and powers. The world's most highly accomplished OT,
> "Source", vulnerable to attack and murder?

Jesus was murdered too. Does this mean that Jesus had no abilities and
no powers?

==========
Possibly - we have no way of really knowing, do we?
==========

If you are alone and 30 strong and evil doctors barge in your place
and place a hankerchief with a narcotic on your nose, what would you
do? There is not much more than you can do. He sent me a message
during that night. So, I got it. Pretty effective of him as I am here
to tell the story, which would be otherwise not told.

=======
That will not happen to me, as I have not done things to make anyone want to
kill me.
How could "SOURCE" have "pulled in" his murder?
WHO sent you WHAT message?
=======

The body can be destroyed easily but Ron had a backup plan.

=======
Really? What was it?
=======

But there is more to it, despite that Ron was murdered, he will win.
He will be vindicated and the truth will come out and he will come
back.

======
I wouldn't hold my breath until he does - - (:-))
======

Barbara Schwarz

unread,
Jul 25, 2009, 4:45:48 PM7/25/09
to
On Jul 25, 1:56 pm, "Honest Abe" <freespe...@4ever.net> wrote:
> "Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com> wrote in message

>
> news:70978b06-38f2-4c57...@c1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 24, 1:21 pm, "Honest Abe" <freespe...@4ever.net> wrote:
>
> > If Hubbard was murdered, that alone completely discredits all of his
> > claims
> > about the "OT" states and powers. The world's most highly accomplished OT,
> > "Source", vulnerable to attack and murder?
>
> Jesus was murdered too. Does this mean that Jesus had no abilities and
> no powers?
> ==========
> Possibly - we have no way of really knowing, do we?
> ==========

> If you are alone and 30 strong and evil doctors barge in your place
> and place a hankerchief with a narcotic on your nose, what would you
> do? There is not much more than you can do. He sent me a message
> during that night. So, I got it. Pretty effective of him as I am here
> to tell the story, which would be otherwise not told.
> =======
> That will not happen to me, as I have not done things to make anyone want to
> kill me.
> How could "SOURCE" have "pulled in" his murder?
> WHO sent you WHAT message?

******************************
A really great person decides to take a body on a planet to help
people in troubles. Soon it becomes clear to the bad people that he
has the best intentions and could turn this world around into a really
good place for anybody. They decide to not let this happen and make
him into their main target.

As you didn't do what this person did, you are no target, Abe.

As far as "pulling things in", well, if he would have said, he gives a
damn about all the people on this planet and did them suffer without
trying to help them, he would be safe, a spirit who could play safe
games and be beyond the radar of the SPs of this planet.

But he decided to help and became the target. If you want to call this
"pulled in"....
**********************

> =======
>
> The body can be destroyed easily but Ron had a backup plan.
> =======
> Really? What was it?
> =======

*****************
I am part of it.

**************

>
> But there is more to it, despite that Ron was murdered, he will win.
> He will be vindicated and the truth will come out and he will come
> back.
> ======
> I wouldn't hold my breath until he does - - (:-))
> ======

************
This planet is enslaved since many many years. You can't undo the evil
intention of anybody with a snap of the fingers. It takes work.
What you don't understand is that people have to understand what they
have to change if they want a better future. It is the only handling
of anything. Making people understand. Some get it immediately, others
get it soon and others again are really very very slow thinkers. But
all have to understand in order to have peace on earth in any shape or
form.

If somebody would have almighty abilities (and I am not saying that
there is no such person, but rather the opposite) an could freeze this
planet in place or kick this planet through the universe like a ping-
pong ball, it would not make anything better. People have to
understand that if they are not completely good that they become the
victims of their system for all eternity to come. And by trying to
make people understand Ron lost his life as he did so in former
lifetimes too as the SPs don't want anybody to understand. As dumber
people are as better they can be controlled. What a "bad" man, doing
so much for others until the last person understands what really is
going on. He could have a much more peaceful life without developing
Scientology and explaining it to others. He could have it just
developed in all secrecy for himself and his family. But no, he was
"so bad" to develop it also for you and anybody else.

**********

Barbara Schwarz

Phil Scott defames L. Ron Hubbard by fabricating the worst kind of
stuff about him.
That's why I don't talk anymore to Phil Scott. He is obsessed with
satan crap and defamation.
--

>

Keith

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 12:42:10 AM10/28/09
to
Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> On Jul 24, 1:21 pm, "Honest Abe" <freespe...@4ever.net> wrote:
>> If Hubbard was murdered, that alone completely discredits all of his claims
>> about the "OT" states and powers. The world's most highly accomplished OT,
>> "Source", vulnerable to attack and murder?
>
> Jesus was murdered too. Does this mean that Jesus had no abilities and
> no powers?
>
> If you are alone and 30 strong and evil doctors barge in your place
> and place a hankerchief with a narcotic on your nose, what would you
> do? There is not much more than you can do. He sent me a message
> during that night. So, I got it. Pretty effective of him as I am here
> to tell the story, which would be otherwise not told.

Do you realize that the above sentence sounds like a bad movie script?
Evil doctors and psychs. That's the ticket. That's the blame for all of
scientology's misdeeds, eh Barbara? Evil doctors and psychs barging into
rooms 30 strong!

Sheesh, grow up.

Keith

Barbara Schwarz

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 1:02:43 PM10/28/09
to
On Oct 27, 11:42 pm, Keith <ksj...@invalid.tld> wrote:
> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 1:21 pm, "Honest Abe" <freespe...@4ever.net> wrote:
> >> If Hubbard was murdered, that alone completely discredits all of his claims
> >> about the "OT" states and powers. The world's most highly accomplished OT,
> >> "Source", vulnerable to attack and murder?
>
> > Jesus was murdered too. Does this mean that Jesus had no abilities and
> > no powers?
>
> > If you are alone and 30 strong and evil doctors barge in your place
> > and place a hankerchief with a narcotic on your nose, what would you
> > do? There is not much more than you can do. He sent me a message
> > during that night. So, I got it. Pretty effective of him as I am here
> > to tell the story, which would be otherwise not told.
>
> Do you realize that the above sentence sounds like a bad movie script?

Bad movie script? The German secret service lets bad movie scripts
happen in real life. Blame them and not me.

> Evil doctors and psychs. That's the ticket. That's the blame for all of
> scientology's misdeeds, eh Barbara? Evil doctors and psychs barging into
> rooms 30 strong!
>
> Sheesh, grow up.

Your problem is that you are clueless and you think you know all.
For a secret service it is not a problem to rally 30 people.

I also didn't say that those were 30 people. At the end of his life,
Ron was alone just surrounded by infiltrators. A few p$ychs barging in
his trailer overwhellming him in his sleep (as they did with Quentin)
and injecting him a deadly injection would have done the trick.

And don't give me the crap that an OT can prevent constantly anything.
Ron survived them for decades. Even Jesus with all OT abilities was
murdered (much sooner) than L. Ron Hubbard who survived so much.

And do not mix up L. Ron Hubbard with Jack Vistraril. He was not the
original L. Ron Hubbard.

Earle Cooley was the attorney who confirmed that L. Ron Hubbard being
that guy in San Obispo County, which he was not.

barbara Schwarz


>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
> > The body can be destroyed easily but Ron had a backup plan.
>
> > But there is more to it, despite that Ron was murdered, he will win.
> > He will be vindicated and the truth will come out and he will come
> > back.
> > I doubt that DM or the infiltrated orgs will let him in but the last
> > chapter of the story is not yet written. There is still a lot history
> > to be made.
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> > Phil Scott defames L. Ron Hubbard by fabricating the worst kind of
> > stuff about him.
> > That's why I don't talk anymore to Phil Scott. He is obsessed with
> > satan crap and defamation.
> > --
>
> > --
> > Tilman Joerg Hausherr, from Berlin, Siemens employee webs defamation
> > on me that he and Korey Jerome Kruse aka Simkatu and
> > other socks scribbled once on Wikipedia:
> >http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
> >http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/

> >http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/intolerance-hate/whistle-blowers...
> >http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/kids.htm#Debate_with_Tilman_Hausherr
> >http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Hausherr&btnG=Google...
> >http://www.alarmgermany.org/tilman.htm
> >http://cyber-stalker-korey-jerome-kruse.blogspot.com/
> >http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-156307.html- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Barbara Schwarz

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 1:08:29 PM10/28/09
to
On Oct 28, 12:02 pm, Barbara Schwarz <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com>
wrote:
> > >http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-156307.html-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Okay, I did say those could have been approx. 30 people but 5 could
have done the job too. How many men can you get off your body when
being overwhelled in your sleep? That is the number of men who barged
in the real Ron's motorhome.

It doesn't matter how many it did but that they did it.

And do you know what they did with his body? They carried his body in
a medical lab where they examined any part of his body to see why he
was so genious and unusual.

Barbara Schwarz


slobeck

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 1:25:45 PM10/28/09
to
>
> And do you know what they did with his body? They carried his body in
> a medical lab where they examined any part of his body to see why he
> was so genious and unusual.
>
> Barbara Schwarz

it doesn't take one to spell "genius".
but seriously, What's with all the "invasion od the body snatchers"
crap? I can abide a little kookieness. I mean a little is good, right?
But there comes a point where the kookieness crosses the line into
crazy cat-lady from the Simpsons. And you crossed that line about a
mile back. I don't have anything personal against you, I'm sure you
mean well. But it's just that... well... it's kinda kooky and hard to
take seriously. I'll give you this, reading you sure livens up my
morning cup of coffee with some really good belly-laughs.

If anyone ever is curious about Scientology and asks me about it. I'll
definately point them your way. Because after just a few minutes
reading you - a TRUE Scientologist (sic) - no one in their right mind
would go any further with it.

Barbara Schwarz

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 1:53:50 PM10/28/09
to
On Oct 28, 12:25 pm, slobeck <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > And do you know what they did with his body? They carried his body in
> > a medical lab where they examined any part of his body to see why he
> > was so genious and unusual.
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> it doesn't take one to spell "genius".

Typo, get over it. You don't know how that a word in the beginning of
a sentence starts with a captial letter.


> but seriously,  What's with all the "invasion od the body snatchers"

What is "od"? was that your genius mind that did it?

You don't have the intelligent mind that is necessary to see the
truth. Covering up L. Ron Hubbard's murder is typically what a robotic
German secret service troll would do.

Murder is no fun.

Barbara Schwarz


slobeck

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 2:09:36 PM10/28/09
to
On 2009-10-28 10:53:50 -0700, Barbara Schwarz
<BarbaraSc...@excite.com> said:

> On Oct 28, 12:25�pm, slobeck <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> And do you know what they did with his body? They carried his body in
>>> a medical lab where they examined any part of his body to see why he
>>> was so genious and unusual.
>>
>>> Barbara Schwarz
>>
>> it doesn't take one to spell "genius".
>
> Typo, get over it. You don't know how that a word in the beginning of
> a sentence starts with a captial letter.

I was teasing about the genius thing. - geez you're soooo sensitive.
But while you're on typeos - my "d" instead of "f" can be explained by
the fact that the keys are next to each other. Its a failure of proof
reading on my part. In your case it's just bad spelling. But you
avoid the bigger question? What about your tin foil hat conspiracy
theories? Calling me a plant of the German secret service is easy. And
meaningless. You point a lot of fingers and call people a lot of names
but you don't back up you conspiracies or accusations with a shred of
evidence.

> You don't have the intelligent mind that is necessary to see the
> truth.

Um, right. Actually I'm too smart to fall for your crazy cult or your
personal bat-shit insane conspircay thoeries.

slobeck

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 2:43:55 PM10/28/09
to

sorry - found a typo (just to pre-emp you calling me stupid for it)

> you don't back up you conspiracies

should be "you don't back up your conspiracies".

Gregory Hall

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 5:55:49 PM10/28/09
to
"Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSc...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:88beb0a9-172a-4c9c...@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...

>
> > Jesus was murdered too. Does this mean that Jesus had no abilities and
> > no powers?

Jesus had god-like powers. Jesus went to the slaughter willingly. Nobody
could have laid a hand on Him if He did not allow it to happen. He died on
the cross to fulfill prophesy. Jesus was begotten by God and born of woman
for this very reason. It was all part of the plan.

L. Ron Hubbard was nothing compared to Jesus Christ. Acting like they were
equals is pure blasphemy, Barbara.

--
Gregory Hall


JR

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 8:45:24 PM10/28/09
to
Hey Barbara, you made an explosive claim back there and when someone
asked you about it you ignored the question... Are you saying that
Hubbard got a message to you just before he was murdered? What form
did this message take (ten bucks says it was telepathic)? Or did he
actually call you up on a telephone? Send you a note? Or was it, as I
suspect, a "telepathic" message beamed into your brain? And if it was
telepathic (or even if it wasn't), how do you know it was Hubbard and
not those nasty evil Germans who sent the message?

Barbara loves Marty

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 9:06:32 PM10/28/09
to
On Oct 28, 1:09 pm, slobeck <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 2009-10-28 10:53:50 -0700, Barbara Schwarz
> <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com> said:
>
> > On Oct 28, 12:25 pm, slobeck <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> And do you know what they did with his body? They carried his body in
> >>> a medical lab where they examined any part of his body to see why he
> >>> was so genious and unusual.
>
> >>> Barbara Schwarz
>
> >> it doesn't take one to spell "genius".
>
> > Typo, get over it. You don't know how that a word in the beginning of
> > a sentence starts with a captial letter.
>
> I was teasing about the genius thing. - geez you're soooo sensitive.
> But while you're on typeos -  my "d" instead of "f" can be explained by
> the fact that the keys are next to each other. Its a failure of proof
> reading on my part.  In your case it's just bad spelling.

In my case is it that I am bilingual and my mind works so fast that my
fingers do not always keep up with the speed of light of my mind.
And it was you, who started to look for typos. I would have overlooked
your typos if you would not had rubbed them in.

You have also otherwise nothing important to say and you defame me and
lie about me. You have a slow small mind and that is very unfortunate
for you.

Speaking about tin foil hat. There is nothing more stupid than to wear
one because the foil does support reception of all kind of waves.

Snipped the rest of your dumb German secret service defamation trash.

And I have nothing to do with any cult. I don't run the orgs, you
idiot.

Barbara Schwarz


Barbara loves Marty

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 9:46:59 PM10/28/09
to
On Oct 28, 7:45 pm, JR <nydailyb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Barbara, you made an explosive claim back there and when someone
> asked you about it you ignored the question...

I do ignore questions when they are included in insults. If somebody
asks me without insulting or defaming me, I do answer when I have
time.

> Are you saying that
> Hubbard got a message to you just before he was murdered?

You ask a big question. If you ask if a messenger came to me with a
paper in his hand with a written note by Ron, this didn't happen,
after all, the orgs are infiltrated with non-Scientologists and the
German secret service went through lots of troubles to disconnect me
from him and the original Marty.

> What form
> did this message take (ten bucks says it was telepathic)?  Or did he
> actually call you up on a telephone?  Send you a note? Or was it, as I
> suspect, a "telepathic" message beamed into your brain?  And if it was
> telepathic (or even if it wasn't), how do you know it was Hubbard and
> not those nasty evil Germans who sent the message?

You are not believing in OT abilities because non-Scientologists
infiltrated the orgs and altered the OT levels so that they do not get
OT abilities. But I have them.

I can make mistakes when I have too much on my plate and can't put my
mind to a thing. But once I sit down and concentrate, I'll find the
truth. If you would know how often I predicted the future and how
often people ask me suprised how I knew what did happen without being
there, you would be ashamed for the way you try to ridicule me.

I would be a heck of a crime solver. I could spy out any danger and
problem in advance for the CIA but as they are also German poodles,
they don't deserve my help. I can know anything if I want and would
GET IT RIGHT.

What I can do is: I know the past and what happened even if I was not
there.
It as precise as knowing what was spoken (but I do not hear voices).
And I can see in the future. For example that the German secret
service plans terrorist actions against the orgs and that they will
blame it on Scientology.

Making the public believe that Scientologists are violent was the
first step in the terror preparation.

Feel free to laugh. I am not interested in convincing anybody. If you
don't believe it, if you think I am nuts or try to pull your leg, fine
with me.

But I know what I can do. I am often amazed by my own abilities.

Actually, I do not understand how you guys can walk through live
without OT abilities.

Did you ever understand the 8th Dynamic? It says that all thetans were
basically one being at the beginning and then, identities formed and
split away. In a way, we are all connected. But if you do not work
with it, you are ignoring these abilities that you could have.

Ron, the original Marty and I are using OT abilities all the times.
For example, in the moment in which Ron died, I felt it. If Marty
would die, I would feel it. If I would die, he would feel it.

I even can feel where Ron and Marty are now, DESPITE millions of
messages sent by the German secret service in my subconscious mind to
mislead me.

Ron was murdered around May 5, 1984. His new baby body was then
kidnapped to Germany.

Barbara Schwarz

JR

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 10:14:35 PM10/28/09
to
On Oct 28, 9:46 pm, Barbara loves Marty

A lot of people claim to be able to tell the future... but when you
ask them what's going to happen tomorrow, for some reason they are
unable to tell you... so go ahead Barbara, make a believer out of
me... tell us all what's going to happen tomorrow, or next week, or
next month... if you're accurate, then everyone will believe you have
this power... if not, then even you would have to admit that you're
just another kook who claims powers they do not posess...

Of course, I can predict the future too... for example, I predict that
you will claim that you have no interest in proving your abilities to
anyone, and that you have the abilities and that it doesn't matter
whether anyone believes you or not, so there... of course, that
statement is belied by the fact that you made the claims in the first
place, which indicates that you wish for people to believe that you
have these powers...

So, what can we expect for tomorrow? Care to predict tomorrow's
headline in the New York Times? I predict you can't, or won't, and
that's a prediction that will come true... so wouldn't that be proof
that I'm better at predicting the future than you are?

Barbara loves Marty

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 10:28:45 PM10/28/09
to
> that I'm better at predicting the future than you are?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The German Secret service want people to think like you and ridicule
OT abilities. If I would predict what happens tomorrow, the German
secret service would change it deliberately to make me look like a no
OT. For example, if they would have tomorrow a school shooting planned
in New York and I would get it, and write about it, they would not let
their shooter go through with it just to prove me wrong.

It is also not as simple as you write. There are a gazillion kind of
flows in the world. I can't take them in at the same time. I have to
concentrate on certain things but when I do then get them right.

I hope that predicting German organized terror activities in the orgs,
which I did, leads to that they DO NOT GO THROUGH WITH IT. Because I
rather would be wrong then seeing dead Scientologists lying around.

Barbara Schwarz

JR

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 10:48:45 PM10/28/09
to
On Oct 28, 10:28 pm, Barbara loves Marty
> Barbara Schwarz- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

If you follow the logic of what you're saying, then you've just proven
that you are not able to predict the future, since any prediction you
could make would automatically cancel itself out... if you really
could see the future, then you would also be able to see the future
results of your own predictions and come up with an accurate
prediction of the future that would actually unfold, which would
include any reactions by any third parties resulting from your
prediction...

My own prediction, that you could not or would not predict the future,
has come true... however I don't claim any special power, except that
of being able to see the obvious...

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof... if you go around
making claims such as this without being willing to back them up, then
why make the claims in the first place? The answer, of course, is
that it isn't logical to make such claims, since the one who makes the
claims inevitably exposes themselves as being either a fraud or
delusional.

Those who make such claims are either telling outright lies or are
insane... which are you?

Dagny Taggart

unread,
Oct 28, 2009, 11:58:51 PM10/28/09
to

"slobeck" <polym...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:2009102810254550073-polymorphic@earthlinknet...

Well done! <should I bow or courtesy?> ;-)


Barbara loves Marty

unread,
Oct 29, 2009, 12:05:24 AM10/29/09
to
On Oct 28, 9:48 pm, JR <nydailyb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 28, 10:28 pm, Barbara loves Marty

I am the one who does not waste time with you if you feel the need to
insult me.

Anybody has OT abilities but those people who are aware of them and
work of them, are having much better success.

If you would not be such a wimp, you would explore your own
spirituality and not attack those who explore them.

Barbara Schwarz

Barbara loves Marty

unread,
Oct 29, 2009, 12:08:02 AM10/29/09
to
To all of you: it doesn't need even an OT to figure out that L. Ron
Hubbard was murdered and is not Jack Vistaril. You just have to look
at the photos and compare them with the original and read also the
other supicicous documents that Earle Cooley and DM approved.

Barbara Schwarz

Dagny Taggart

unread,
Oct 29, 2009, 12:08:54 AM10/29/09
to

I was wondering how long it would take for you to come to your senses.

I thought the quote from Barbara "Marty and I are both gods" would have
clenched it for you earlier. Maybe you just missed that part...

And quit talking ugly about Magoo, Kat, Astrid and the like. You will feel
my wrath.

And put me on that list with the others, so we can get a class-action
lawsuit against you and the crazy bag lady. You know, the url you post with
anyone who disagrees with DM or $ciloon.


slobeck

unread,
Oct 29, 2009, 1:30:38 PM10/29/09
to
>
> The German Secret service want people to think like you and ridicule
> OT abilities. If I would predict what happens tomorrow, the German
> secret service would change it deliberately to make me look like a no
> OT. For example, if they would have tomorrow a school shooting planned
> in New York and I would get it, and write about it, they would not let
> their shooter go through with it just to prove me wrong.
>
> It is also not as simple as you write. There are a gazillion kind of
> flows in the world. I can't take them in at the same time. I have to
> concentrate on certain things but when I do then get them right.
>
> I hope that predicting German organized terror activities in the orgs,
> which I did, leads to that they DO NOT GO THROUGH WITH IT. Because I
> rather would be wrong then seeing dead Scientologists lying around.
>
> Barbara Schwarz

That's so crazy-cat lady it sort of defies further comment.

slobeck

unread,
Oct 29, 2009, 1:32:19 PM10/29/09
to
On 2009-10-28 21:05:24 -0700, Barbara loves Marty
<barbaralov...@gmail.com> said:

seriously, Barbara you're a veritable insult factory. You'll have to do
better than that.

slobeck

unread,
Oct 29, 2009, 1:39:28 PM10/29/09
to
and all this because I wanted an answer to some simple questions. I
asked you to back up your claims about, German spies and your super
powers and all you did was avoid the questions by presenting even MORE
crazy cat lady conspiracy theories. It boggles the mind.

But it is also so very entertaining to read you and, i might add,
kindof fun getting insulted by you. I'm going through a lot of popcorn.
Keep it up sister!

Barbara Schwarz

unread,
Oct 29, 2009, 1:57:43 PM10/29/09
to
On Oct 29, 12:39 pm, slobeck <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
You are a liar, a defamer and in denial, Slobeck.

No smart mind is boggled reading my postings. Smart people can follow
me. The stupid mind has problems keeping up with me.

Barbara Schwarz

Gregory Hall

unread,
Oct 29, 2009, 2:29:35 PM10/29/09
to
"Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSc...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:c04fe38b-f64d-446c-af39-

> No smart mind is boggled reading my postings. Smart people can follow
> me. The stupid mind has problems keeping up with me.


Is that why Mark de Rothschild hasn't keep up with you. He's so far behind
that he will never catch up?

--
Gregory Hall


Barbara Schwarz

unread,
Oct 29, 2009, 2:44:06 PM10/29/09
to
On Oct 29, 1:29 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
> "Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com> wrote in message

You are one of the biggest idiots and jerks who post on Usenet, Neal.
He catches up to me any time but you can't.

Barbara Schwarz

Gregory Hall

unread,
Oct 29, 2009, 2:58:40 PM10/29/09
to
"Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSc...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:7256f7bf-b34d-46a3...@12g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

Barbara Schwarz

===============================================

[REPLY]

Barbara, the sad fact is that I, though a thousand or more miles away, am
closer to you than Mark de Rothschild is. He's nowhere to be found - gone,
kaput, history, evaporated, vanished. He's left you in the lurch, abandoned
you, broken his vows to you, rejected you and probably forgotten all about
you by now. Please step out of your dream world and join us in the real
world.

--
Gregory Hall


slobeck

unread,
Oct 29, 2009, 4:49:00 PM10/29/09
to
On 2009-10-29 10:57:43 -0700, Barbara Schwarz
<BarbaraSc...@excite.com> said:

> On Oct 29, 12:39�pm, slobeck <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
> You are a liar, a defamer and in denial, Slobeck.

what did I lie about? What did I defame? Seriously all I've done is
asked you to back up what you're saying with documentable PROOF. That's
all. You take this stuff waaay too seriously.

> No smart mind is boggled reading my postings. (but they are boggled by
> your terrible English)


> Smart people can follow
> me. The stupid mind has problems keeping up with me.
>
> Barbara Schwarz

You're so funny Barbara. Do you realize how much fun it is to watch you
fly off the handle at people ?I'm playing your OT ass like an emotional
fiddle. I'm not boggled by you, I'm endlessly AMUSED with you. Like a
cat with a ball of yarn. Oh, and "boggles the mind" is an english
language idiom used to call something ridiculous. I get it that you're
not such a good English speaker so I'll let you pass on that silly one.

Sl�beck, The Anti-Xenu


Gregory Hall

unread,
Oct 29, 2009, 5:04:17 PM10/29/09
to
"slobeck" <polym...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:2009102913490016807-polymorphic@earthlinknet...


Sorry, but Barbara used the verb, "boggled" correctly. And "english"
language is incorrect. It should be English language.

Boggle:
intransitive verb
1 : to start with fright or amazement : be overwhelmed <the mind boggles at
the research needed>
2 : to hesitate because of doubt, fear, or scruples
transitive verb
1 : mishandle, bungle
2 : to overwhelm with wonder or bewilderment <boggle the mind>

I hope this helps.

--
Gregory Hall


Barbara Schwarz

unread,
Oct 30, 2009, 12:37:22 AM10/30/09
to
On Oct 29, 3:49 pm, slobeck <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 2009-10-29 10:57:43 -0700, Barbara Schwarz
> <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com> said:
>
> > On Oct 29, 12:39 pm, slobeck <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > You are a liar, a defamer and in denial, Slobeck.
>
> what did I lie about? What did I defame? Seriously all I've done is
> asked you to back up what you're saying with documentable PROOF. That's
> all. You take this stuff waaay too seriously.
>
> > No smart mind is boggled reading my postings.  (but they are boggled by
> > your terrible English)
> >  Smart people can follow
> > me. The stupid mind has problems keeping up with me.
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> You're so funny Barbara. Do you realize how much fun it is to watch you
> fly off the handle at people ?

Fly off the handle? I am cool as a cucumber. The flying handle is in
your head only. I just think that jerks do not deserve sensitivity of
my part.

If you don't want your rude ball that you shot at me back in your
court, post with more respect.

Otherwise I jump on my high shiny horse all over you and gallop away
in the sunset.

Barbara Schwarz

slobeck

unread,
Oct 30, 2009, 12:28:30 PM10/30/09
to
i didn't say she used the word incorrectly, Greg, what I said was that
I used it in a phrase that is a figure of speach used when one wants to
point something out to be incredible.

Geez, dude pull the thorn out of your ass - you'll feel better.

slobeck

unread,
Oct 30, 2009, 12:31:32 PM10/30/09
to
>> Oh, and "boggles the mind" is an english language
>> idiom used to call something ridiculous. I get it that you're not such a
>> good English speaker so I'll let you pass on that silly one.

>

> Sorry, but Barbara used the verb, "boggled" correctly. And "english"
> language is incorrect. It should be English language.
>
> Boggle:
> intransitive verb
> 1 : to start with fright or amazement : be overwhelmed <the mind boggles at
> the research needed>
> 2 : to hesitate because of doubt, fear, or scruples
> transitive verb
> 1 : mishandle, bungle
> 2 : to overwhelm with wonder or bewilderment <boggle the mind>
>
> I hope this helps.

I wasnt' using "the verb, boggles" I was using a PHRASE which is an
IDIOM - a FIGURE OF SPEECH I was NOT defining the verb.

You obviously read my post carefully (sic)

Barbara loves Marty

unread,
Oct 30, 2009, 9:33:56 PM10/30/09
to
On Oct 30, 11:31 am, slobeck <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>

All that discussion about typos etc. does not change the fact that L.
Ron Hubbard was murdered and was not Jack Vistaril.

Barbara Schwarz

0 new messages