Scientology has an anti-abortion policy...
Barbara loves Marty
Dianetics book.
L. Ron Hubbard says CLEARLY in this book that a woman who aborts is on
1.1 on the tonescale. He said that he audited people on which abortion
attempts have been conducted and that they were in very bad condition
throughout their lives. He made very clear that nobody should abort
and abortion is murder and against our religion Scientology and often
also against the law.
Many thetans make the mistake to dive into embryo or fetus bodies too
soon. They think if they don't do it, somebody else takes the body and
they are left without one as nobodies.
They are in the womb of a woman and in the fetus and the embryo when
it is aborted. That means that the many thetans who goes into fetus or
embyro bodies quickly, are murdered through the abortion.
ABC showed a statement of the C of S saying that they have no stand on
abortion and they leave it up to their members.
The management of the C of S under David Miscavige who made that
statement are no Scientologists. They do not lead Scientology
according to L. Ron Hubbard. Because the Dianetics book says not to
abort. That statement of the C of S tells me that they know that
abortions took place and they do not want to take responsibility but
should with a clear anti-abortion statement.
Abortion is murder. It is against what L. Ron Hubbard taught.
And otherwise, anybody else in Scientology who would have caused so
much problems and bad PR for Scientology as DM has, would have been
removed. But as nobody corrects DM, he remains the "leader" of
Scientology and will pull in more and more bad stuff for Scientology
and Scientologists.
Scientologists has now the reputation to be violent. In fact they are
not. I don't know if DM hit anybody but what he did is that he
accepted doppelgangers for L. Ron Hubbard and Marty Rathbun. DM
awarded Marty's doppelganger after he was violent and called him back
into his top management. After Mike Rinder left, DM offered him to
choose the position within Scientology. Awards for leaving people...
What kind of "policy" is that?
What wise leader would do a thing like that?
Anyway, I said it before and I say it again: It is so much easier now
for those who want to destroy the religion Scientology to plan violent
terror attacks within the orgs and blame it on Scientology.
DM is no OT.
He doesn't see anything coming. Scientologists within the orgs have to
call in a comm ev immediately and based on the evidence, they have to
remove him from post and also report any findings of his doings
against the law to the authorities.
That's how L. Ron Hubbard would handle it.
Barbara Schwarz
Peter Widmer
> Unzutreffenden crap!
Glaubw�rdigere Quellen als Psychobarbie best�tigen:
"...Wir sprachen �ber Details. Nun, ich k�nnte unaufh�rlich �ber
andere berichten deren Familien durch Scientology zerst�rt
wurden, aber ich sprach zu ihr ausdr�cklich �ber meine eigenen
Erfahrungen. Wir sprachen dar�ber, wie die Sea Org ihre
Mitglieder zu erzwungenen Abtreibungen bringt. Ich erinnere mich
tats�chlich an einen Befehl von Flag, der den Sea Org
Mitgliedern verbot Kinder zu haben. Um in der Sea Org ein Kind
zu haben musste man etwas vorweisen, das ein "CSW" genannt wird
und das "completed staff work" bedeutet. Sie m�ssen erkl�ren wie
ein Kind zu haben die Produktivit�t der Sea Org steigert und die
Ziele der Gruppe f�rdert. W�hrend meiner Zeit als ein ranghoher
Gesch�ftsf�hrer des RTC, wurde niemandem - und ich meine wirklich
niemand, eingeschlossen meine Frau, die eine der Frauen auf der
geheimen F�hrungsbasis in Gilman Hot Springs war und zu einer
Abtreibung gezwungen wurde - erlaubt Kinder zu haben als
ob es nicht das h�chste Gut f�r die gr�sste Zahl der
Dynamiken war. Der Grund f�r die Verweigerung war rein
finanzieller Natur. Kinder kosten Geld.
Die �bliche Prozedur f�r jede Frau die schwanger wurde war,
dass sie ein PR (Public Relations) Paket lesen musste und/oder
eine Anweisung des Port Captain (PR Posten in der Sea Org)
dar�ber bekam, wie der �rtlichen sozialen F�rsorge zu erkl�ren
war, dass sie ein erwachsener Mittelloser ist und eine
Abtreibung machen m�ssen und der Staat daf�r aufkommen m�sse.
Meine Frau und ich gingen durch diesen Alptraum als sie
schwanger wurde. Keiner von uns wollte eine Abtreibung und das
verursachte uns viel Kummer. Jedoch wurde sie davon �berzeugt
auf jeden Fall eine durchzuf�hren, und nichts was ich sagte oder
tat konnte sie stoppen. Ich schlug ihr sogar vor, wir k�nnten
gemeinsam die Sea Org verlassen, aber sie wollte nicht. Alles
was ich an diesem Punkt noch tun konnte, war ihr in ihrer
Entscheidung beizustehen und ich begleitete sie zur
Abtreibungsklinik.
Der Gang in eine Abtreibungsklinik war ein erschreckendes
Erlebnis der dunklen Seite der menschlichen Natur. Wir sassen
dort und sahen das Elend der anderen die dort waren. Um ehrlich
zu sein, alles erschien unwirklich. Es ist gef�hrlich eine
Abtreibung durchzuf�hren, weil in einigen F�llen die Mutter
hinterher kein Kind mehr geb�ren kann.
Um die lange Geschichte abzuk�rzen, meine Frau und ich
entschieden Kinder zu haben als wir einmal aus der Sea Org weg
waren. Sie war f�nf Monate schwanger und wir machten eine
Ultraschall Untersuchung. Wir entdeckten, dass das ungeborene
Kind schrckliche Missbildungen aufwies und abgetrieben werden
musste. Am Ende hielt ich den deformierten F�tus in meinen
Armen der tot geboren wurde. Das Gesicht war mein Gesicht.
Ich liebte das Kind und war durch das Erlebnis sehr ersch�ttert
und verletzt. Diese Erfahrung vernichtete uns beide und
zerst�rte effektiv unsere Ehe. Wir sind nun geschieden..."
Peter
--
Peter Widmer <pwi...@quicknet.ch>
3803 Beatenberg <http://www.pewid.ch>
Gregory Hall
news:63e27fb6-6fc5-4cd8...@o36g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Excellent work, Barbara. On topic, timely and most of all TRUE about
abortion being murder.
--
Gregory Hall
Barbara loves Marty
> Barbara loves Marty schrieb:
Nothing about libeler Peter Widmer is credible. He also promotes the
psychologist Dieter Rohmann who was involved in me being kidnapped to
Herrsching.
Widmer is lawless and belongs behind bars.
Barbara Schwarz
Lady Pilot
"Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The first book that Scientologists usually read is Book 1, the
> Dianetics book.
>
> L. Ron Hubbard says CLEARLY in this book that a woman who aborts is on
> 1.1 on the tonescale. He said that he audited people on which abortion
> attempts have been conducted and that they were in very bad condition
> throughout their lives.
Your perhaps half-brother, Ron Jr. says that he remembers much of his
childhood. He claims to recall, at six years, a vivid scene of his father
performing an abortion ritual on his mother with a coat hanger.
> He made very clear that nobody should abort
> and abortion is murder and against our religion Scientology and often
> also against the law.
So the founder of Scientology is a murder then, right Barbara?
> Abortion is murder. It is against what L. Ron Hubbard taught.
L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., is a survivor. His appearance on earth, May 7, 1934,
was the result of failed abortion rituals by his father, and Ron, after only
six and a half months in the womb and at 2.2 pounds entered the world. His
mother, Margaret ("Polly") Grubb, was to have one more child, Catherine May,
before her husband ditched her in 1946 to enter into a bigamous marriage
with Sarah Northrup.
A half sister, Alexis Valerie, survived that union. Soon after that, the
founder of Scientology married Mary Sue Whipp, the current Mrs. L. Ron
Hubbard, Sr., who at this writing is serving four years in federal prison
for stealing government documents. There were four children: Diana and
Quentin, who died under mysterious circumstances in 1976; Arthur, who has
been missing for several years; and Suzette.
Maybe your daddy should have practiced what he preached?
Lady Pilot
It seems to me that you should be thanking Peter Widmer for trying to help
you.
If one of my son's got whacked out on Scientology, I would kidnap them and
if I couldn't deprogram them, I would put them in a pysch ward.
But that won't happen, because I have raised my sons right.
Barbara Schwarz
Lady Pilot
"Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake> wrote:
> Excellent work, Barbara. On topic, timely and most of all TRUE about
> abortion being murder.
Abortion is murder! But L. Ron Hubbard had his own children murdered. Some
by his own hands!
How can you defend Scientology, when the founder was an extremely sick man?
Gregory Hall
news:37pjm9....@news.alt.net...
Well, I have a hard time separating the lies from the truth about L. Ron.
Hubbard. Everybody knows there was and is a continuing campaign to discredit
him in any way possible. So I take a wait and see attitude about L. Ron
Hubbard defamation. Just from seeing how anti-religious extremists carry on
around here, I tend to disregard anything they claim about Scientology or
any religion.
The biggest reason I tend to side with Scientology is that, in many ways
,they are a religion and have been recognized as such by the U.S. govt. So,
since there is freedom of religion in this country, I don't try to say
Scientologists have no right to practice their chosen religion. If the
anti-religious extremists can destroy any religion that will just wet their
appetites and they will then go to another they can call a cult and work to
destroy it, too. If they destroy all cults then they will go after
mainstream religions like Christianity. These anti-religion extremists
represent a greater danger to Christianity than Scientology ever will, IMO.
The enemy of my enemies is my friend . . .
--
Gregory Hall
Barbara loves Marty
This posting is a forgery. I have not signed this posting.
Poor loser people who violate other people's address to put them in
danger and who forge and defamer others are violating laws are
incapable of rasing decent children.
Barbara Schwarz
Lady Pilot
"Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>This posting is a forgery. I have not signed this posting.
Sorry, Barbara, I didn't "sign" my post. Neither did I sign your name to my
post. I just forgot to snip you sig with the rest of the stuff I snipped.
>Poor loser people who violate other people's address to put them in
>danger and who forge and defamer others are violating laws are
>incapable of rasing decent children.
How did I violate you address and put you in danger?
Oh, and by the way, my sons are extremely smart. They have already figured
out the cult of Scientology.
They laugh so hard when I tell them some of the things you write, like I'm
Gary Scarrff and head of Anonymous in LA, etc. My oldest is going to be an
officer in the military. The youngest will probably be a pilot like his
parents. They are both Christian young men.
I'm sorry your parents didn't do a better job of raising you. Or maybe your
problem is a chemical imbalance like L. Ron's or possibly your mother? I
don't particularly like pysch medicine, but sometimes it' necessary for some
people.
I honestly pray for a full recovery for you. You act like a child, maybe
your parents should treat you like one and spank you bottom.
ta ta for now.
Lady Pilot
"Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake> wrote in message
news:37pkaq....@news.alt.net...
> "Lady Pilot" <la...@schwarz.nut> wrote in message
> news:37pjm9....@news.alt.net...
>>
>> "Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake> wrote:
>>
>>> Excellent work, Barbara. On topic, timely and most of all TRUE about
>>> abortion being murder.
>>
>> Abortion is murder! But L. Ron Hubbard had his own children murdered.
>> Some by his own hands!
>>
>> How can you defend Scientology, when the founder was an extremely sick
>> man?
> Well, I have a hard time separating the lies from the truth about L. Ron.
> Hubbard. Everybody knows there was and is a continuing campaign to
> discredit him in any way possible. So I take a wait and see attitude about
> L. Ron Hubbard defamation.
I don't know why you have the "wait and see attitude", I dug deep years ago
and found out what I believe is the truth.
>Just from seeing how anti-religious extremists carry on around here, I tend
>to disregard anything they claim about Scientology or any religion.
Just remember that there are satanist, agnostics, and even trolls here.
>
> The biggest reason I tend to side with Scientology is that, in many ways
> ,they are a religion and have been recognized as such by the U.S. govt.
So you are an Obama supporter? If the government tells you to spread the
wealth, you just empty your wallet?
I think anyone who thinks that Scientology is NOT a religion, should contact
their Senator and Congressmen and complain about this IRS deal that was
struck.
I wonder how much money was paid to the guy in charge of the IRS back then.
>So, since there is freedom of religion in this country, I don't try to say
>Scientologists have no right to practice their chosen religion.
True. That's the nice thing about the USA. But most religions have "God"
in their teachings. This is not so with Scientology. They worship Hubbard
by saying "hip, hip, hooray" at his photo. The Bible states that my God is
a jealous God, and we are not to put anything or anyone above Him. Everyone
has a choice whether or not to believe this. If they don't, I believe there
are grave consequences.
> If the anti-religious extremists can destroy any religion that will just
> wet their appetites and they will then go to another they can call a cult
> and work to destroy it, too. If they destroy all cults then they will go
> after mainstream religions like Christianity. These anti-religion
> extremists represent a greater danger to Christianity than Scientology
> ever will, IMO.
I thought you were a logical thinker? I don't feel threatned at all by the
anti-scientologists. Even if they were to "go after" some of the
denominations that take people's money and spend it on themselves? Much
like the Baptist Church.
I don't have to go to *any* church to be a Christian. I read my Bible and
try to follow it the best that I can. The thing about Scientology, if you
post any of their obsurd teachings, they will try to sue you or destroy you.
I've never heard of the Catholic church (or any other church) going after
anyone for repeating scripture.
Have you?
> The enemy of my enemies is my friend . . .
Absolutely no logic there! <sigh>
Gregory Hall
>
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>This posting is a forgery. I have not signed this posting.
>
> Sorry, Barbara, I didn't "sign" my post. Neither did I sign your name to
> my post. I just forgot to snip you sig with the rest of the stuff I
> snipped.
That's a real problem with Google Groups. Google does something wrong in the
headers that screws up the formatting who posted what in their attribution
or lack thereof so news clients can't give them the proper attribution
marks. IOW, a Google Groups post ,when replied to with Windows Mail, at
least, and some other news clients don't get > or | or : etc placed before
each line. I've recommended Barbara look into getting a real news client and
real news service provider but I guess she's comfortable with Google even
though it causes problems for her sometimes.
>
>>Poor loser people who violate other people's address to put them in
>>danger and who forge and defamer others are violating laws are
>>incapable of rasing decent children.
>
> How did I violate you address and put you in danger?
She might be talking about posting the SLC addy and phone number???
Actually, it's years old and she said it was originally posted by Garry
Scarff and I guess that's why she thought you were Garry?
>
> Oh, and by the way, my sons are extremely smart. They have already
> figured out the cult of Scientology.
>
> They laugh so hard when I tell them some of the things you write, like I'm
> Gary Scarrff and head of Anonymous in LA, etc. My oldest is going to be
> an officer in the military. The youngest will probably be a pilot like
> his parents. They are both Christian young men.
>
> I'm sorry your parents didn't do a better job of raising you. Or maybe
> your problem is a chemical imbalance like L. Ron's or possibly your
> mother? I don't particularly like pysch medicine, but sometimes it'
> necessary for some people.
>
> I honestly pray for a full recovery for you. You act like a child, maybe
> your parents should treat you like one and spank you bottom.
>
> ta ta for now.
>
--
Gregory Hall
Eldon
This is correct. The coerced abortions, enforced divorces, mandated
disconnections and other tampering with people's personal lives was
mostly instituted by David Miscavige after he took over. Hubbard never
canceled disconnection as some fantasize he did, but in the 1970s. he
said it was an extreme measure, to be used only rarely.
Gregory Hall
>
> "Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake> wrote in message
> news:37pkaq....@news.alt.net...
>> "Lady Pilot" <la...@schwarz.nut> wrote in message
>> news:37pjm9....@news.alt.net...
>>>
>>> "Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Excellent work, Barbara. On topic, timely and most of all TRUE about
>>>> abortion being murder.
>>>
>>> Abortion is murder! But L. Ron Hubbard had his own children murdered.
>>> Some by his own hands!
>>>
>>> How can you defend Scientology, when the founder was an extremely sick
>>> man?
>
>> Well, I have a hard time separating the lies from the truth about L. Ron.
>> Hubbard. Everybody knows there was and is a continuing campaign to
>> discredit him in any way possible. So I take a wait and see attitude
>> about L. Ron Hubbard defamation.
>
> I don't know why you have the "wait and see attitude", I dug deep years
> ago and found out what I believe is the truth.
I welcome your posts since you have researched into it. But, for example,
the Penthouse interview was not really L. Ron Hubbard's son. It was an
imposter doing his best to smear Scientology. Barbara calls him 'Nibbs' and
says he's the real son of the guy who impostered L. Ron Hubbard in some of
the videos that make him look like some old, addle-brained drunk. Even I can
tell the videos don't portray the real LRH.
>
>>Just from seeing how anti-religious extremists carry on around here, I
>>tend to disregard anything they claim about Scientology or any religion.
>
> Just remember that there are satanist, agnostics, and even trolls here.
There are all kinds for sure. The Satanists are the worst. They'll burn in
hell and no mistake.
>>
>> The biggest reason I tend to side with Scientology is that, in many ways
>> ,they are a religion and have been recognized as such by the U.S. govt.
>
> So you are an Obama supporter? If the government tells you to spread the
> wealth, you just empty your wallet?
Definitely not, but fair is fair and if Scientology is an accepted religion
by definition of the courts which are part of the govt. then I might not
like it but being ethical and fair minded I need to abide by it.
>
> I think anyone who thinks that Scientology is NOT a religion, should
> contact their Senator and Congressmen and complain about this IRS deal
> that was struck.
> I wonder how much money was paid to the guy in charge of the IRS back
> then.
I suspect the same thing. I think money passed hands and still is passing
hands. But, I have no proof of that.
>
>>So, since there is freedom of religion in this country, I don't try to say
>>Scientologists have no right to practice their chosen religion.
>
> True. That's the nice thing about the USA. But most religions have "God"
> in their teachings. This is not so with Scientology. They worship
> Hubbard by saying "hip, hip, hooray" at his photo. The Bible states that
> my God is a jealous God, and we are not to put anything or anyone above
> Him. Everyone has a choice whether or not to believe this. If they
> don't, I believe there are grave consequences.
God is mentioned in Scientology but Jesus is not accepted as God's son on
earth. It seems so simple to me in that there is NOTHING to lose believing
God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that mankind's sins might
be forgiven and so have eternal life. Everything to gain and nothing to
lose. What keeps people from believing this? The only answer can be
arrogance. And arrogance is putting oneself above God in this case. A mortal
sin.
>
>> If the anti-religious extremists can destroy any religion that will just
>> wet their appetites and they will then go to another they can call a cult
>> and work to destroy it, too. If they destroy all cults then they will go
>> after mainstream religions like Christianity. These anti-religion
>> extremists represent a greater danger to Christianity than Scientology
>> ever will, IMO.
>
> I thought you were a logical thinker? I don't feel threatned at all by
> the anti-scientologists. Even if they were to "go after" some of the
> denominations that take people's money and spend it on themselves? Much
> like the Baptist Church.
I am a very logical thinker. Perhaps a level or two above the more logical
among us. Note how I did not say anti-Scientologists. Rather, I said
anti-religion or religous extremists. That's what we have mostly in <a.r.s>
anti- RELIGIOUS extremists. This means they hate and want to destroy all
religion. Scientology just happens to be their present focus.
It's the same thing Obama is doing. Rules for Radicals. Target, segregate,
marginalize and then conquer and enslave. Obama and the other Marxists live
this divide and conquer credo. That's the M.O. of anti-religious extremists,
as well.
>
> I don't have to go to *any* church to be a Christian. I read my Bible and
> try to follow it the best that I can. The thing about Scientology, if you
> post any of their obsurd teachings, they will try to sue you or destroy
> you.
They do if they view you as a definite threat. This is wrong-thinking.
Fair-gaming is just a fancy word for revenge tactics. Not among the more
noble of Scientolgy tech.
> I've never heard of the Catholic church (or any other church) going after
> anyone for repeating scripture.
> Have you?
No, I havent.
>
>> The enemy of my enemies is my friend . . .
>
> Absolutely no logic there! <sigh>
Tell that to successful warlords. :-)
--
Gregory Hall
Barbara loves Marty
Finally we can agree on something, Eldon
In regards to disconnection, if somebody should be dangerous to you,
persecutes you, wants to kidnap you, you have no choice to disconnect
(not just Scientology, anybody from anybody) but this is indeed the
extreme measure.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
> "Lady Pilot" <la...@schwarz.nut> wrote in message
>
> news:37pp9k....@news.alt.net...
Lady Pilot has lose screws, Greg. She has no first hand experiences in
Scientology and her "research" is copy and paste of other people's
lies. She knows nothing. She blames L. Ron Hubbard of what his
doppelganger did or didn't do. She has an IQ of a cock roach. She
can't think for herself.
She is a libeler and a defamer. I never have met this person, I never
had a fight with her and she is just like the other person of Oklahoma
who starts fights without provocations.
"Boob Schwarz" is lunatic Scarff. Trailer trash LadyPilot defames and
forges me in her signature or is she to dumb to find the delete key to
remove a signature or too eager to defame and libel that she has no
time to do it?
Both of these creatures are not worthy of my response.
Barbara Schwarz