Big Supermarkets like WalMart or something in the Netherlands?
tras...@wopr.de
I was several times in Holland and everytime on the way home, I was missing
a single thing: A really big supermarket, like walmart in the States or
Tesco in Britain, where you could by everything from bread to a 42 inch
plasma tv... The biggest thing I found was 'Nettorama' which wasn't really
big...
Isn't there something like this in the netherlands? (Should be somewhere in
Overijssel)
Thank you very much for your hints
Cheers,
Uli
Mike Schenk
>I was several times in Holland and everytime on the way home, I was missing
>a single thing: A really big supermarket, like walmart in the States or
>Tesco in Britain, where you could by everything from bread to a 42 inch
>plasma tv... The biggest thing I found was 'Nettorama' which wasn't really
>big...
>
>Isn't there something like this in the netherlands? (Should be somewhere in
>Overijssel)
Nope, not really, except for places like Makro or Sligro which
officially are wholesale shops and you need to have a membership to be
able to shop there. And the membership is only open to companies and/or
individuals that have a chamber of commerce registration.
The reason for this, is that a place like wallmart can only flourish in
a place which has low-rent and thus basically in an industrial zone. And
Dutch law does not allow a retail place to be in an industrial zone.
The membership-thing is a way to circumvent these laws, but it is
unfortunately not open to everyone.
In some of the bigger shopping centers on the edge of some large towns
there are big supermarkets but nothing Wallmart like.
Mike
tras...@wopr.de
[No big supermarkets in NL]
> The reason for this, is that a place like wallmart can only flourish in
> a place which has low-rent and thus basically in an industrial zone. And
> Dutch law does not allow a retail place to be in an industrial zone.
Ah... thats the point. Now I get it.
> The membership-thing is a way to circumvent these laws, but it is
> unfortunately not open to everyone.
And I guess getting a memberhip as a 'EU-fellow' isn't really easy... even
if I'm an entrepeneur in another EU country, is it?
> In some of the bigger shopping centers on the edge of some large towns
> there are big supermarkets but nothing Wallmart like.
Is there any kind of 'bigger Mall' somewhere around Enschede, Hengelo or
maybe Zwolle?
Thank you very much for your explanation.
Bye
Uli
Mike Schenk
>Mike Schenk wrote:
>> The membership-thing is a way to circumvent these laws, but it is
>> unfortunately not open to everyone.
>
>And I guess getting a memberhip as a 'EU-fellow' isn't really easy... even
>if I'm an entrepeneur in another EU country, is it?
I don't think so. I do have a membership for Makro myself, but that's
because a friend has a CoC registration and officially I am his
purchaser.
You could check, but I think they do not want to bother with the hassle.
It's too bad, I've live in the US for some time and really miss those
big supermarkets.
>Is there any kind of 'bigger Mall' somewhere around Enschede, Hengelo or
>maybe Zwolle?
I wouldn't know, I live in the The Hague and never go shopping around
Enschede.
Mike
J. J. Lodder
> Hey all,
>
> I was several times in Holland and everytime on the way home, I was missing
> a single thing: A really big supermarket, like walmart in the States or
> Tesco in Britain, where you could by everything from bread to a 42 inch
> plasma tv... The biggest thing I found was 'Nettorama' which wasn't really
> big...
Of course not.
The Netherlands are a socialist dictatorship really,
where the bureaucrats in power have decided
that big marts in the middle of nowhere
are A BAD THING.
They destroy free space, and force everybody into cars
to waste petrol to get there, so the theory goes.
So instead of dreary parking lots there are inner cities
where shops are alive and where you can buy what you need
walking, and green countryside between cities.
Incredible, isn't it, that people would prefer that?
All quite horrible really, better to stay in the States,
Jan
nieuwsgroepen
> friend has a CoC registration and officially I am his
> purchaser.
Dus homos hebben al toegang met hun coc lidmaatschaps kaart. Hoezo
positieve discriminatie.
nieuwsgroepen
> friend has a CoC registration and officially I am his
> purchaser.
Dus homos hebben al toegang tot de makro met hun coc lidmaatschaps
kaart. Hoezo positieve discriminatie.
Cécile O.
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I have never understood the attraction of huge supermarkets (why buy a tv or
clothes in a supermarket???) but you could try Belgium, or France for sure.
Anders Reizen
> Hey all,
>
> I was several times in Holland and everytime on the way home, I was missing
> a single thing: A really big supermarket, like walmart in the States or
> Tesco in Britain, where you could by everything from bread to a 42 inch
> plasma tv...
Why are you missing that? Any plans to buy a 42 inch plasma tv while on
holiday? And if so, is it really a problem to buy your groceries next
door? Or are it the labour conditions of Walmart you're missing?
Piet
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Anders Reizen
> Hey all,
>
> I was several times in Holland and everytime on the way home, I was missing
> a single thing: A really big supermarket, like walmart in the States or
> Tesco in Britain, where you could by everything from bread to a 42 inch
> plasma tv...
Why are you missing that? Any plans to buy a 42 inch plasma tv while on
holiday? And if so, is it really a problem to buy your groceries next
door? Or are it the labour conditions of Walmart you're missing? If
that's what you're looking for: we do have McDonalds!
ina
There are some big supermarkets.
Multi,famila.
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Mike Schenk
>Cécile O. schreef:
>>
>> I have never understood the attraction of huge supermarkets (why buy a tv or
>> clothes in a supermarket???) but you could try Belgium, or France for sure.
>
Or an Auchan, Intermarche, E.LeClerc and I am probably missing some of
them.
Not all of them are that big though, make sure they are labelled
"hypermarche".
Mike
Mike Schenk
>Multi,famila.
Now that you mention it. Many years ago, Famila used to be in Holland as
well. We had one on the opposite side of the street in Beverwijk. But it
went bust as it was a prime location and where that single store used to
be is now a complete shopping mall.
Mike
Tom
>
> I was several times in Holland and everytime on the way home, I was
> missing
> a single thing: A really big supermarket, like walmart in the States or
> Tesco in Britain, where you could by everything from bread to a 42 inch
> plasma tv... The biggest thing I found was 'Nettorama' which wasn't really
> big...
>
> Isn't there something like this in the netherlands? (Should be somewhere
> in
> Overijssel)
No. But there are shops everywhere in the Netherlands. If you want to boy a
stereo, a bike, a doghouse, a travel to Egypt, a pair of scissors or a box
of cigars, there are plenty of stores who like to be at your service. What's
so special at Walmart that you're looking for one in this country?
Tom.
Groenendaal
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Lot of variation and nice to shop in every town.
Where Wall Mart arrives all the other shops disappear, I saw it on a
documentary on TV.
In England one of the biggest retailers is in trouble: Woolworths
But a lot of things are better in USA:
They have the most beautifull and modern voting system, the best bankers in
the world, they use per head the most energy, lot of houses for sale...
Happy new year!
greetings Henri.
J. J. Lodder
> Cécile O. schreef:
> >
> > I have never understood the attraction of huge supermarkets (why buy a tv or
> > clothes in a supermarket???) but you could try Belgium, or France for sure.
>
> That would be a Carrefour then.
or Auchan, or Le Clerc, or Géant, or...
Jan
J. J. Lodder
No Wallmart girls,
Jan
tras...@wopr.de
>> I was several times in Holland and everytime on the way home, I was
>> missing a single thing: A really big supermarket, like walmart in the
>> States or Tesco in Britain, where you could by everything from bread to a
>> 42 inch plasma tv...
>
> Why are you missing that?
I don't know if 'missing' is the right word here... I was just wondering
that I had *never* seen a really large supermarket in Holland. In Belgium
there are quite a lot... Now I've learnded that I am not too stupid to find
one, thats good;-)
> Any plans to buy a 42 inch plasma tv while on
> holiday?
Ehr.. yes, why not, if it's a bargain?
> And if so, is it really a problem to buy your groceries next
> door?
Time is money.
> Or are it the labour conditions of Walmart you're missing?
No... I used walmart as an example for the size of the supermarket I was
expecting to find, nothing else...
> If
> that's what you're looking for: we do have McDonalds!
I don't buy or eat at McD....
Cheers,
Uli
tras...@wopr.de
>> Thank you very much for your hints
>
> I have never understood the attraction of huge supermarkets (why buy a tv
> or clothes in a supermarket???
The shopping is very convinient. But that's not the point: I am really
struggling get knowing holland doesn't have any big supermarkets at all...
tras...@wopr.de
> Of course not.
> The Netherlands are a socialist dictatorship really,
> where the bureaucrats in power have decided
> that big marts in the middle of nowhere
> are A BAD THING.
I think you are missing the point... Off course it's kind of 'bad' builing a
big shopping centre outside the cities, so the inner cities get deserted.
Off course, from sane and healthy point of view, you - and the NL
gouvernment - are totally right to 'slow down' some big and faceless
companies.
BUT - and that's the point - How come they can do that in view of a free
market economy? I mean... there are european laws and lobbyists who are
normaly really interested in profit.
Do the Netherlands really have a sensible gouvernment which is weighting the
retailers in the cities higher than big companies and their interests? I am
just curious....
> All quite horrible really, better to stay in the States,
The Netherlands become sort of utopia to me...;-)
Fonz
> Do the Netherlands really have a sensible gouvernment
Now, don't be ridiculous.
Alphons
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If you want to experience the element, get out of the vehicle.
bjorri
>> And if so, is it really a problem to buy your groceries next
>> door?
>
> Time is money.
>
Buying a expensive electronics we like to spent some more time than for
buying peanutbutter. When you are in a hurry buy your tv on the
internet, it might be cheaper as well.
BTW ALDI an Lidle (both of German origin) sell groceries and
occasionally tv sets etc. Everything they sell looks a bargain but it
fills your dustbin quickly.
J. J. Lodder
> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
> > Of course not.
> > The Netherlands are a socialist dictatorship really,
> > where the bureaucrats in power have decided
> > that big marts in the middle of nowhere
> > are A BAD THING.
>
> I think you are missing the point...
You are.
> Off course it's kind of 'bad' builing a
> big shopping centre outside the cities, so the inner cities get deserted.
> Off course, from sane and healthy point of view, you - and the NL
> gouvernment - are totally right to 'slow down' some big and faceless
> companies.
> BUT - and that's the point - How come they can do that in view of a free
> market economy? I mean... there are european laws and lobbyists who are
> normaly really interested in profit.
I told you already. There is no free market.
Land use in the Netherlands is strictly controlled
by a system of planning permissions.
(bestemmingsplannen)
You simply cannot obtain permission
to build anything like a wallmart anywhere.
(no matter how much land you own)
> Do the Netherlands really have a sensible gouvernment which is weighting the
> retailers in the cities higher than big companies and their interests? I am
> just curious....
It weighs much more than that.
And there is a long tradition behind that,
going back to the middle ages.
The 17th century canals you see in Amsterdam for example
Heerengracht, Keizersgracht, etc)
are the result of careful city planning.
> > All quite horrible really, better to stay in the States,
>
> The Netherlands become sort of utopia to me...;-)
It is not that hard to plan better than the USA,
Jan
tras...@wopr.de
>> BUT - and that's the point - How come they can do that in view of a free
>> market economy? I mean... there are european laws and lobbyists who are
>> normaly really interested in profit.
>
> I told you already. There is no free market.
Yes, but I thought you were just kidding...
>> > All quite horrible really, better to stay in the States,
>>
>> The Netherlands become sort of utopia to me...;-)
>
> It is not that hard to plan better than the USA,
Ouch...:-) Okay, many things there haven't been planed at all, it seems, but
what's been planed has been planed in a very, very pragmatic way. But I like
it, anyway;-)
Cheers,
Uli
Anders Reizen
> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
>> Of course not.
>> The Netherlands are a socialist dictatorship really,
>> where the bureaucrats in power have decided
>> that big marts in the middle of nowhere
>> are A BAD THING.
>
> I think you are missing the point... Off course it's kind of 'bad' builing a
> big shopping centre outside the cities, so the inner cities get deserted.
> Off course, from sane and healthy point of view, you - and the NL
> gouvernment - are totally right to 'slow down' some big and faceless
> companies.
> BUT - and that's the point - How come they can do that in view of a free
> market economy?
For starters: no market is free (even the US have toll barriers around
the country, US agricultury is sponsored, many US companies couldn't
live without industrial spionage, companies like Halliburton are
gouvernment protected and government sponsored etc.)
But even important: in the Netherlands we have a lot of people living on
a small amount of land, so we are forced to be very carefull with what
whe are building and where we are building it. So it's not only about
protecting the inner cities but also about protecting the countryside.
It would be really easy to convert the Netherlands into one big suburbia
and nobody really likes that idea.