BTW and grijs kenteken
Doug Maddocks
I am based in the UK and am looking at purchasing used autos from the
Netherlands, particularly LPG fueled ones.
Looking around I have come across the term grijs kenteken, basic english
translation is grey characteristics, does this generally mean the vehicle
has been involved in an accident is damaged, or that it has been damaged and
repaired or is it just in bad condition?
Also to avoid paying VAT in the UK I need proof of payment of BTW in the
Netherlands on the vehicle when new. On a car about 7 or 8 years old would
many people keep the original payment invoice, if not would it be possible
to obtain a duplicate.
Thanks for your help.
Best Regards
Doug Maddocks
Remco Jan Woldhuis
>
> Hi
>
> I am based in the UK and am looking at purchasing used autos from the
> Netherlands, particularly LPG fueled ones.
>
> Looking around I have come across the term grijs kenteken, basic english
> translation is grey characteristics, does this generally mean the vehicle
> has been involved in an accident is damaged, or that it has been damaged and
> repaired or is it just in bad condition?
"Grijs kenteken" is a kind of car registration. It means that the car is
supposed to be used for business (example: vans). If you buy them new
you pay less tax. They don't have rear seats....
Remco Jan Woldhuis
Axel
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> Hi
>
> I am based in the UK and am looking at purchasing used autos from the
> Netherlands, particularly LPG fueled ones.
>
> Looking around I have come across the term grijs kenteken, basic english
> translation is grey characteristics, does this generally mean the vehicle
> has been involved in an accident is damaged, or that it has been damaged
and
> repaired or is it just in bad condition?
>
Oh no, definately not!! Cars who are for business use like vans and trucks
don't have to pay BMP (it's a tax you pay when you buy a new car) Only
specific cars can get a grijs-kenteken. Usually the cars are relative cheap
cuz the BMP is high, but then again normal cars can -generally- not get a
grey licenceplate. (the plate is yellow though :)
> Also to avoid paying VAT in the UK I need proof of payment of BTW in the
> Netherlands on the vehicle when new. On a car about 7 or 8 years old
would
> many people keep the original payment invoice, if not would it be possible
> to obtain a duplicate.
>
Dunno
Doug Maddocks
>don't have to pay BMP (it's a tax you pay when you buy a new car) Only
>specific cars can get a grijs-kenteken. Usually the cars are relative
cheap
>cuz the BMP is high, but then again normal cars can -generally- not get a
>grey licenceplate. (the plate is yellow though :)
>
vehicle?). I thought that was BTW or is that something different.
Regards
Doug
Erik-Jan Geniets
do with BTW (VAT).
On cars with a "grey" license there is no BPM included in the price
(About 20 %).
If you own a company you can also get a refund of the VAT wich makes a
car about 35 % cheaper compared to a normal car. Most BPM cars don't
have rear seats though. Most of them are vans or trucks. Some of the
larger vans are allowed with a rear seat on certain conditions.
Best regards,
Erik-Jan.
Dennis
Erik-Jan Geniets <e...@fotograaf.com> wrote:
> It is called BPM. Typing error in previous postings. It has nothing to
> do with BTW (VAT).
> On cars with a "grey" license there is no BPM included in the price
> (About 20 %).
> If you own a company you can also get a refund of the VAT wich makes a
> car about 35 % cheaper compared to a normal car. Most BPM cars don't
> have rear seats though. Most of them are vans or trucks. Some of the
> larger vans are allowed with a rear seat on certain conditions.
> Best regards,
> Erik-Jan.
But, if you export any Dutch car, wouldn't you get the BPM back anyway?
So why bother with the grijs kenteken?
> Doug Maddocks wrote:
>> So BMP is the equivalent of VAT (charged at 17.5% of the cost of the
>> vehicle?). I thought that was BTW or is that something different.
No BPM is a special form of VAT, only charged on automobiles.
Dennis.
Doug Maddocks
>So why bother with the grijs kenteken?
I wasn't looking for grijs kenteken in particular, I just didn't know what
it meant.
So BTW is standard VAT on normal public cars. This is what I would have to
prove has been paid so as not to have to pay it again in the UK. And then
there is import duty somewhere previous too when the car was new. Aahhh!
Thanks
Doug
Willem-Jan Markerink
zono...@usa.net (Dennis) wrote:
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>Erik-Jan Geniets <e...@fotograaf.com> wrote:
>> It is called BPM. Typing error in previous postings. It has nothing to
>> do with BTW (VAT).
>> On cars with a "grey" license there is no BPM included in the price
>> (About 20 %).
>> If you own a company you can also get a refund of the VAT wich makes a
>> car about 35 % cheaper compared to a normal car. Most BPM cars don't
>> have rear seats though. Most of them are vans or trucks. Some of the
>> larger vans are allowed with a rear seat on certain conditions.
>> Best regards,
>> Erik-Jan.
>
No. Once paid, is paid forever (at least it used to be this way....I
vaguely recall they changed something on this aspect, but I might be
confused with used imports, where you now never get below 10% (used to be
zero after 100 months).
Actually, the scenario can be even more insane:
Start with a new vehicle, with yellow registration (passenger, not van),
pay BPM once. Convert to grey registration (no money back). Convert back to
yellow registration (pay BPM again)....ad nauseum. There really is no limit
to how often the greedy tax collector will be at your doorstep.
But then again, even our customs is currently setting their priorities
straight....they prefer catching alcohol and tobacco smugglers, since that
stuff can be legally sold after confiscation, unlike drugs. So drugs have
low priority right now (inside info from the customs department, now slowly
trickling out to the media).
>So why bother with the grijs kenteken?
Only works if the vehicle isn't modified/registered yet, and the BPM not
paid. For such new export vehicles (or transfer from used import to export
without Dutch registration) it doesn't matter.
>> Doug Maddocks wrote:
>>> So BMP is the equivalent of VAT (charged at 17.5% of the cost of the
>>> vehicle?). I thought that was BTW or is that something different.
>
>No BPM is a special form of VAT, only charged on automobiles.
It's not so much VAT, but a luxury tax, originating from the era after
WWII. At that time all luxury products were taxed this way, and by the end
of the 70's, they wanted to end this tax, but the Dutch car distributors
and dealers were afraid this sudden 'relief' would mean a buyers-strike
until the newer (and cheaper) vehicles could be bought. So *they* wanted
this tax (cq an alternative to the same amount), not so much the
government/tax-collector....and the rest is sad history.
Once grabbed, never given back.
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is sometimes far less intelligent than
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Johan.B
The costum told me if its in benefit of the state it's allways
100 month. And when its in your benefit it's only 36 month.
So if you convert a car from grey to yellow, yoy have to pay
BPM until 100 months from the newdate of the car. This is also
for importing I thing.
But if you convert yellow to grey you get back your BPM only
within 36 month from the newdate of the car.
And I think it's also for exporting cars.
If you convert a car from grey to yellow, then from yellow to
grey, and then back form grey to yellow. The state will send you
a (bit) bill, but if you can prove that it was already converted once
and paid for, they will withdraw the bill.
BUT if the state get's some message, no matter what, and they're
not sure, they just send bill's anyhow, It's easier for them, because
the people themselfes have to prove opposite.
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Marten Hoffmann
berekend op basis van de Netto Catalogusprijs (NCP). Het geheel van
NCP+BTW+BPM is de consumentenprijs.
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> w.j.ma...@a1.nl (Willem-Jan Markerink) wrote:
>
> >Start with a new vehicle, with yellow registration (passenger, not van),
> >pay BPM once. Convert to grey registration (no money back). Convert back
to
> >yellow registration (pay BPM again)....ad nauseum. There really is no
limit
> >to how often the greedy tax collector will be at your doorstep.
>
> It gets even better: BTW (VAT) is calculated over the car's price +
> BPM, so we pay tax on tax...
>
> ...and I'm not even going to start explaining what happens if you have
> a company car...then you technically pay tax over tax over tax...
>
>
> IJdo Dijkstra
> ij...@casema.net
korbijn
Heb ik WJM vorige keer ook al proberen te vertellen, maar helaas hij zei dat
het wel mocht. Dat er zelfs een rechtzaak over was geweest...... sorry maar ik
geloof je niet willem-jan
MVG
Rob
Marten Hoffmann
Verbruiksbelasting). Toen betaalde je inderdaad belasting-over-belasting.
Dat is verboden en dus is de constructie met de BPM opgezet.
Leuker kunnen we het niet maken ............
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> Ik meen rekenvoorbeelden te hebben gezien, maar ik kan me vergissen.
> De oude prijslijst van m'n auto bracht geen uitkomt, na het
> terugrekenen aan de hand daarvan zie ik het helemaal niet meer :)