The too early topic about 'marketing', now available with horrible grammar

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Sorry for my horrible grammar today.

Yep, it's far too early to talk about this... Maybe? I think we should think about how we want to appear to those aliens from Earth when we're (semi-)done. It may be early but right now we're able to think about it and change our ideas without any problems, this way we know what we want when we need it. If this isn't really important enough, we don't want any 'marketing' or when you think this is way too early then we can let this thread die out.

Where do we want to appear and how?

- Twitter, websites, etc.

- Colors, logo's, etc.

- do we even need people to know about us?

Maybe we won't even need/want any 'marketing' (it wouldn't be really marketing), but at least we know how we want Night Kernel to appear. For example, FreeDOS does some marketing. They're actually very active when it comes to, for example, Twitter. If we want people to notice us as another option, then I think some 'marketing' is required. And at that point, a website wouldn't be enough. Two? maybe. Social media wouldn't hurt too.

Save my English, save this thread: let me know what you think! Be honest and all ideas are welcome, that's where this discussion is for.

[Catharinus van der werf]

Hello my friends

Yes, it could be too early to be busy with that;  it could be a mistake to remove conversations because they can contain methods that are used to build the Night-kernel. I think it is first neccessary to be sure all used methods are written, before removing the conversations. Others (…) could discuss the methods that are used to build the kernel. Fore example because of copywrights. So, IMHO do not yet remove any conversation.

Furthermore…

Wonderfull that you guys have already achieved this (0.10)  version

Cheers

Catharinus

[Maarten Vermeulen]

On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 7:46:33 PM UTC+2, Catharinus van der werf wrote:

Hello my friends

Yes, it could be too early to be busy with that;  it could be a mistake to remove conversations because they can contain methods that are used to build the Night-kernel. I think it is first neccessary to be sure all used methods are written, before removing the conversations. Others (…) could discuss the methods that are used to build the kernel. Fore example because of copywrights. So, IMHO do not yet remove any conversation.

I wasn't planning on removing any conversations. What I meant with 'die out' is that you all ignore the thread until it's sort of a zombie post. :)

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 12:09:18 PM UTC-4, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

Sorry for my horrible grammar today.

Yep, it's far too early to talk about this... Maybe? I think we should think about how we want to appear to those aliens from Earth when we're (semi-)done. It may be early but right now we're able to think about it and change our ideas without any problems, this way we know what we want when we need it. If this isn't really important enough, we don't want any 'marketing' or when you think this is way too early then we can let this thread die out.

I have slightly mixed views on this. It never hurts to plan ahead on what we want to do in advance, but at the same time, we don't even have a running kernel yet. I guess kicking some ideas around now would be okay, but launching it all now is just a little premature.

 

Where do we want to appear and how?

- Twitter, websites, etc.

Sounds good to me. Our website manager can run the Night Twitter account, if he's so inclined. :) We also will have a page set up on mercurycoding.com for Night when the time comes.

 

- Colors, logo's, etc.

I think we still have the logo files from when we started this forum, yes? I forget if I ever sent them to you, but I know I have them on my server somewhere. Let me know if you need them.

 

- do we even need people to know about us?

I think the folks on the FreeDOS mailing list should definitely know about us when we launch lol *insert evil laugh here*

Maybe we won't even need/want any 'marketing' (it wouldn't be really marketing), but at least we know how we want Night Kernel to appear. For example, FreeDOS does some marketing. They're actually very active when it comes to, for example, Twitter. If we want people to notice us as another option, then I think some 'marketing' is required.

Agreed. There's plenty of forums like DOS Ain't Dead (correction: it seems to currently be locked now) and others where we can announce, too. There were even a few folks from a forum post I made in the early days of the project to gather interested parties, who indicated they'd like to know when a significant release was made. Heck, maybe they'd be interested in joining this forum. I left them a message, if they're even still around after a decade. :)

 

And at that point, a website wouldn't be enough. Two? maybe. Social media wouldn't hurt too.

Two websites? You really think two are necessary? How would two benefit us beyond one? Not that I'm against the idea, I just can't picture anything two websites could do that one cannot. :)

 

Save my English, save this thread: let me know what you think! Be honest and all ideas are welcome, that's where this discussion is for.

 

Save the threads! lol

On a side note, in my searching around for my older posts across the internet regarding my old OS project, I found this. Gah, my sense of prose at the time... *rolls eyes*

[Mercury Thirteen]

And soon to be 0.11! :D

 

Cheers

Catharinus

[Maarten Vermeulen]

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 6:16:59 AM UTC+2, Mercury Thirteen wrote:

I have slightly mixed views on this. It never hurts to plan ahead on what we want to do in advance, but at the same time, we don't even have a running kernel yet. I guess kicking some ideas around now would be okay, but launching it all now is just a little premature.

Yeah, this thread is only meant for throwing around some ideas. No serious stuff yet.

 

Sounds good to me. Our website manager can run the Night Twitter account, if he's so inclined. :) We also will have a page set up on mercurycoding.com for Night when the time comes.

As far as I know, you're the real website manager. But if you meant me... You probably know (you should) the answer is yes. However, I don't know if you've ever seen my Twitter account but before you give me the right to run the NightKernel one, you should probably first take a look and see if you still think it's a good plan. xD

And if you meant somoene else, I've just made myself look stupid. :)

 

 

- Colors, logo's, etc.

I think we still have the logo files from when we started this forum, yes? I forget if I ever sent them to you, but I know I have them on my server somewhere. Let me know if you need them.

I should still have them lying around somewhere. Do we still like 'em?

 

I think the folks on the FreeDOS mailing list should definitely know about us when we launch lol *insert evil laugh here*

The last time you started on Night Kernel you got some negative reply's (about such a project already existing, we (them) not needing another one), I'm interested in what will happen when we say the project is 'finished' (I think this kind of project is never really finished).

Agreed. There's plenty of forums like DOS Ain't Dead (correction: it seems to currently be locked now) and others where we can announce, too. There were even a few folks from a forum post I made in the early days of the project to gather interested parties, who indicated they'd like to know when a significant release was made. Heck, maybe they'd be interested in joining this forum. I left them a message, if they're even still around after a decade. :)

I'm able to, when we feel ready, talk about it on some dutch computer forums. I think some of them will be interested. My own Twitter or a blog post on FC's website when I get the blog finished someday. So, if you want, I've got some options for you too.

Two websites? You really think two are necessary? How would two benefit us beyond one? Not that I'm against the idea, I just can't picture anything two websites could do that one cannot. :)

It doesn't benefit us at all. :P

We shouldn't do it.

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 12:08:19 PM UTC-4, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 6:16:59 AM UTC+2, Mercury Thirteen wrote:

I have slightly mixed views on this. It never hurts to plan ahead on what we want to do in advance, but at the same time, we don't even have a running kernel yet. I guess kicking some ideas around now would be okay, but launching it all now is just a little premature.

Yeah, this thread is only meant for throwing around some ideas. No serious stuff yet.

 

Sounds good to me. Our website manager can run the Night Twitter account, if he's so inclined. :) We also will have a page set up on mercurycoding.com for Night when the time comes.

As far as I know, you're the real website manager. But if you meant me... You probably know (you should) the answer is yes. However, I don't know if you've ever seen my Twitter account but before you give me the right to run the NightKernel one, you should probably first take a look and see if you still think it's a good plan. xD

And if you meant somoene else, I've just made myself look stupid. :)

Nope, I meant you lol And your Twitter looks fine to me. Go for it!

 

 

 

- Colors, logo's, etc.

I think we still have the logo files from when we started this forum, yes? I forget if I ever sent them to you, but I know I have them on my server somewhere. Let me know if you need them.

I should still have them lying around somewhere. Do we still like 'em?

I, for one, like 'em. :D

 

 

I think the folks on the FreeDOS mailing list should definitely know about us when we launch lol *insert evil laugh here*

The last time you started on Night Kernel you got some negative reply's (about such a project already existing, we (them) not needing another one), I'm interested in what will happen when we say the project is 'finished' (I think this kind of project is never really finished).

I completely agree. It will be nice to finally offer the DOS world something everyone wanted but nobody created. A true multitasking DOS environment, rock stable and fast. I can't wait :)

 

Agreed. There's plenty of forums like DOS Ain't Dead (correction: it seems to currently be locked now) and others where we can announce, too. There were even a few folks from a forum post I made in the early days of the project to gather interested parties, who indicated they'd like to know when a significant release was made. Heck, maybe they'd be interested in joining this forum. I left them a message, if they're even still around after a decade. :)

I'm able to, when we feel ready, talk about it on some dutch computer forums. I think some of them will be interested. My own Twitter or a blog post on FC's website when I get the blog finished someday. So, if you want, I've got some options for you too.

Also sounds good!

 

Two websites? You really think two are necessary? How would two benefit us beyond one? Not that I'm against the idea, I just can't picture anything two websites could do that one cannot. :)

It doesn't benefit us at all. :P

We shouldn't do it.

Sounds good to me lol 

[Maarten Vermeulen]

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 8:54:48 AM UTC+2, Mercury Thirteen wrote:

Nope, I meant you lol And your Twitter looks fine to me. Go for it!

When do we want to have things setup (for example, which milestone)? Website page, twitter, forums etc.

 

I, for one, like 'em. :D

I do too. :)

[Maarten Vermeulen]

We're able to use the handler @NightKernel, it doesn't exist yet.

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:32:07 PM UTC-4, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

We're able to use the handler @NightKernel, it doesn't exist yet.

Sweet, works for me. 

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I have already made the account before we lose it. The picture of Titan (a moon of saturn) in false color is just a place holder, the current logo isn't really profile picture friendly.

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 5:38:08 PM UTC-4, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

I have already made the account before we lose it. The picture of Titan (a moon of saturn) in false color is just a place holder, the current logo isn't really profile picture friendly.

How about one of these? 

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Sure, that's fine. I'll upload one to Twitter someday soon.

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Mercury, what's your favorite color?

[Maarten Vermeulen]

It still doesn't look really nice, but for now the profile picture is okay.

[Maarten Vermeulen]

By the way, sorry for the spam everyone..........

When any of you have a funny bug/glitch you should give it to me, it does well on social media. Any content does well on social media.

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 1:06:03 PM UTC-4, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

Mercury, what's your favorite color?

Nothing beats a nice, deep electric blue :) 

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 1:22:35 PM UTC-4, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

By the way, sorry for the spam everyone..........

When any of you have a funny bug/glitch you should give it to me, it does well on social media. Any content does well on social media.

You mean like "screenlp"? I got a kick out of that one lol

I'll have to keep an eye out and let you know. 

[Maarten Vermeulen]

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 10:44:22 PM UTC+2, Mercury Thirteen wrote:

I'll have to keep an eye out and let you know. 

Thanks!

Nothing beats a nice, deep electric blue :)

I've searched for the hex color code and added it to the Twitter profile, it should be the right one.

I don't know if we had one already, but I gave the current logo a white background (so that we have transparant ones and some with background). The reason for this was that electric blue and dark grey don't like eachother.

[badsaddamdotnet]

promotional stuff like this kind of banner?

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 10:52:39 PM UTC-4, badsaddamdotnet wrote:

promotional stuff like this kind of banner?

I like it! Perhaps that service could eventually even serve as an update mirror for Night and other DOS projects.

What services are you planning to offer?

[badsaddamdotnet]

So the plan at the moment is we are building some minor multiplayer games like, tic-tac-toe, chess, tcp/irc chat. The biggest feature game we are making is an open world game waterworld warfare. I have the base code and there will be a version that runs in Aura GUI and a standalone dpi version for dos.

This is the plan for now..

[badsaddamdotnet]

chat server completed ;)

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:46:39 PM UTC-4, badsaddamdotnet wrote:

chat server completed ;)

Very nice. Always great to keep building cool stuff! :D

[Maarten Vermeulen]

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 4:52:39 AM UTC+2, badsaddamdotnet wrote:
> promotional stuff like this kind of banner?

Good idea!

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Do we want to put a website address at the Twitter profile? And when shall we start Twittering?

[Maarten Vermeulen]

We can use this as the banner for Twitter. :P

(Slogan is a joke created on the FD-Devel list when we were wishing everyone a happy new year, I believe that's 3 years back)

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 5:41:50 PM UTC-4, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

Do we want to put a website address at the Twitter profile? And when shall we start Twittering?

Sure, we can do the address of this forum. There's already a link to our GitHub here, so that will let folks find everything.

We can start the tweets anytime you want! The easiest way would likely be to glean info from the Dev Thread and posting any new exciting news from there to Twitter.

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 4:16:35 PM UTC-4, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

We can use this as the banner for Twitter. :P

(Slogan is a joke created on the FD-Devel list when we were wishing everyone a happy new year, I believe that's 3 years back)

I remember that! Awesome lol

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I believe you started the slogan. I actually do want to use the image I made for Twitter.

Is the slogan's color the correct deep electric blue?

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 5:02:28 PM UTC-4, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

I believe you started the slogan. I actually do want to use the image I made for Twitter.

Is the slogan's color the correct deep electric blue?

I did! Then subsequently forgot all about it lol

 That blue is cool, but I'm thinking something more like color 0000E0.

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I'd say our twitter is ready to go... https://twitter.com/NightKernel

[Maarten Vermeulen]

any interesting stuff I should mention on Twitter?

[Mercury Thirteen]

Hmm... not sure how interesting it is, but this has been my playlist while writing the IDE driver. Some interesting (and funny!) stuff there in the good ol' days of computing.

[Maarten Vermeulen]

https://twitter.com/NightKernel/status/1007618848298881024

What should I do... Ask before I tweet? Show the tweet when I tweet? Just nothing? Else? :)

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Another tweet: https://twitter.com/NightKernel/status/1007635936493129728

Is there anything that should be changed about the profile? (twitter.com/NightKernel)

[Mercury Thirteen]

Actually, that looks great. Basically any of the "fluff" in the dev thread here can get reposted there. Progress screenshots like the one you already did are fine, extraneous info, whatever might be interesting to the general passerby.

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Mercury, I've got bad news... I know you didn't want me to do it, I've made a temporary page on the FeatherCode website until we have set up the mercury coding page for Night Kernel (FC's page will be removed at that point). :D

You can visit it at https://feathercode.github.io/night-kernel

Also, today I've called this project Night DOS kernel instead of Night Kernel, that's a mistake I won't do it again. I will put the website link on the profile when I remember to do that. :)

[Mercury Thirteen]

That's fine! I just meant it didn't need done as in it's kinda pointless now since we don't have much to show yet. Not that I definitively did not want it done... if that makes any sense lol

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Okay, yeah that makes sense.

Do you agree with what's on the page? I think it's much cleaner on a profile/account to link to a website instead of a group.

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I did see one typo, which I will fix soon.

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 4:35:37 PM UTC-4, Maarten Vermeulen wrote:

Okay, yeah that makes sense.

Do you agree with what's on the page? I think it's much cleaner on a profile/account to link to a website instead of a group.

Sure, works for me. 

[Maarten Vermeulen]

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 22:38 Chelson Aitcheson wrote:
Depends, like it’s basic in information and pretty nerdy but does the job. At a later stage I’d purpose a video or something more friendly explaining things and examples of it working once the project has more to show or even examples now so there is a video capsule.

- - - - - -
Maarten (mobile Google groups is [insert bad words here]):
Yeah it's very basic right now, as we don't really have any more info. Though when we have, the page will be converted to be a page of Mercury's website in the theme of his website and we'll add content.

And you're entirely right, it's basic (maybe a bit too basic right now). The whole website needs to be updated anyway. :P

[Maarten Vermeulen]

Okay, that's nice.

[Catharinus van der werf]

A few hours ago, James Hall posted a remark about NightDOS-kernel

So finally the FreeDOS-group looks (a bit)  interested !!!

[chelson.aitcheson]

It's only to do with fd 1.3 because they're wanting 32 bit..

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 3:50:15 AM UTC-4, Catharinus van der werf wrote:

A few hours ago, James Hall posted a remark about NightDOS-kernel

So finally the FreeDOS-group looks (a bit)  interested !!!

 

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 5:18:29 AM UTC-4, chelson.aitcheson wrote:

It's only to do with fd 1.3 because they're wanting 32 bit..

According to Jim's post, they're considering us for the future release of FreeDOS 2.0.

Even at that point, I imagine both kernels will still be offered by the installer; if the user is running a 186 or what-have-you, the traditional kernel would be used, reserving the Night option for modern systems.

One of the great things for users installing FreeDOS with a 32-bit kernel on VirtualBox (aside from all the usual protected memory and multitasking yumminess) would be possible Guest Additions support for shared folders and such. I looked into writing a driver for this for regular FreeDOS after seeing it on their Contribute page but hit a snag since the hypervisor core itself only offers Protected/Long Mode access to its services. One could likely come up with some kind of mode-shifting workaround which might offer support for this, but since we're already working on a true 32-bit kernel anyway which will definitely support this, I put the driver on hold for now.

[Catharinus van der werf]

And I expect that the NightDOS will help to reduce/minimise the need for  all kinds of 32-extender programs that actually underlines the need tor this wonderfull kernel. 

[Mercury Thirteen]

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 11:14:24 AM UTC-4, Catharinus van der werf wrote:

And I expect that the NightDOS will help to reduce/minimise the need for  all kinds of 32-extender programs that actually underlines the need tor this wonderfull kernel. 

Exactly! Eventually Night will support a complete DPMI 0.9 spec interface, eliminating the need for an additional extender.

[Maarten Vermeulen]

For those who are interested: FreeDOS tweeted about us. And we haven't tweeted anything in a while so I'll write about the previous developments soon.

[Mercury Thirteen]

We also got a mention on their roadmap.

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I would you (everyone) to name one or two (or three, four, five) thing(s) you don't like about the Twitter account, anything. Writing, looks, images, links/urls... the fact we don't have a birthday set up.

I'm on the crappy mobile website of Google Groups, so no fancy hyperlinks for the account url, here it is: https://twitter.com/nightkernel

It is optional of course, but it would really help.

[Mercury Thirteen]

My only complaint is that it needs more content lol

And I'm not saying that's your fault, I don't post much fluff for Twitter reposting, so...

Maybe we could showcase some other assembly-based operating systems, too. E.g. tatOS, MikeOS, RDOS, and MenuetOS.

And I didn't even know the birthday was a thing!

[Maarten Vermeulen]

I would've chosen RDOS, if it had a build that I could test! But it's only source and you need to download OpenWatcom to build it. Almost everyone knows MikeOS. MenuetOS and tatOS were both fun to use, but I'll go for tat.

[Maarten Vermeulen]

More content:
https://twitter.com/NightKernel/status/1027219019869429760

:)

[Antony]

Hi,

DOS programs that were built using DOS4GW, Causeway, or even HXDOS extender will still run with those extenders (as they are built into the programs) only new programs developed will run without the aid of a DOS Extender.

-T

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 11:14:24 AM UTC-4, Catharinus van der werf wrote:

[Tom Ehlert]

simply wrong, DOS extenders don't work this way.

DPMI is a definition of a very basic protected mode machine, allowing things like allocate memory, mapping memory, but not much more.

dos extenders provide an abstraction of a 32 bit DOS on top of either real mode DOS or DPMI, allowing 32 bit programs to allocate large chunks of memory,

write multi MB of data in one go, ...

no normal 32 Bit program ever calls DPMI.

[Mercury Thirteen]

Right, my intent by that is that Night will need to support a DPMI system for DOS apps which expect that interface to be present, or at least play nice with existing extenders which do the job. The true 32-bit applications won't use it, though, and will not care if it is present.

And by the way, welcome!