Ford 5 Speed Manual Transmission
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In 2015 the 6-speed had 5 gears with a close-ratio and one highway gear - in 2018 the transmission had 4 gears in not so close a ratio and 2 highway gears. MPG rating for both cars was the same, so probably not for fuel economy. Instead, you get worse gearing and no improvement in fuel economy (not thinking anyone cared about fuel economy buying a 460HP car). Automatic is far better in terms of acceleration because of the gearing. In fact, the 2020 auto beats both the 2015 and 2020 6 speed in 0-60 and is faster than the 2019 GT-350 6-speed. Go figure?
For the latest revision of the MT-82 transmission - which has caught a lot of criticism among drag racers for its lack of durability - has borrowed a ton of tech from the TR6060 (used in the GT500) to improve the shifting experience across the board. The MT-82 D4 has better gear ratios, which 4th gear is now 1:1 instead of 5th, which makes for a much more pleasurable driving experience. Internally, the synchros have been upgraded along with the shift forks. No more plastic guides and the center support has been upgraded.
Yes, the 2018+ manual transmission is a disappointment. The gearing hurts acceleration and flexibility compared to earlier models. Additionally, the shift forks in the 2018 models have proven to be a weak link and a TSB was issued for that. As far as I know, the shift fork issue was corrected in 2019+ but the gearing is wrong if maximum acceleration is the goal.
The D4 tranny is just about perfect for a street car, especially coupled to the 3.73 Torsen, which my Bullitt has. Track rations make no sense on a Mustang, at least up to PP1 IMO. Maybe PP2s and Shelbys. Glad Ford changed them for the better :). It makes the car great on trips, with a usable 5th.
What do these improvements of the MT-82 mean involving the 2021 Mustang GT 6 speed specifically? Can someone clarify factually that Ford has made additional improvements to the MT-82 on the upcoming 2021? I'm currently aware that Ford blessed the Mach 1 with the Tremec directly from the outgoing 350. Thank you Ford for listening! I'm shying away from the 2021 GT due to the distraught and disgruntled GT owners that have been part of the lawsuit with Ford regarding the substandard MT-82 Chinese made 6 speed. Appreciate if someone with knowledge of this to set the record straight and share your thoughts of the Tremec v/s the 2021 GT MT-82. Thanks in advance
Ford produced the t bird-automatic only...jag s type in both auto and manual as well as a very limited number of Lincoln LS with both trans options...ALL using the same frame and interior dash/center council.
What about using the 6 cyl with manual trans out of a 2005 jag as a donor car using all the eng...manual trans..:computers...wiring...pedals...everything...same year...same frame...same center council and pulling the drive train out of the 2005 t bird and replacing it with the jag parts?
Equally, I have been told that the 3.9 engine with a automatic transmission in the 2005 Tbird can have a manual transmission out of a 2004-2006 Mustang GT bolted right up to the 2005 t bird engine block.
Your input to the year in the making project is most greatly appreciated. Some how I will figure out how to thank you all for your energy and time...the completed project car...fully customized...and a year in the making...starting now!
I would really confirm that the transmission bolts up. The Aston Vantage box is more likely to be the one that does. I would be very very surprised if anyone has pulled this off with the factory engine.
Some Land Rovers appear to have used an AJ-8/MT82 combo, but it's a different bellhousing pattern than the Mustang MT82. The bellhousing is part of the case but the tail housing and output situation might be workable for your need. If that's the path you went with it would involve sourcing a trans from another country. It may very well be cheaper and easier to either source an Aston Martin transmission and clutch setup, or to make or have made parts to fit the engine to another more common trans such as a T56 or a CD009.
This is the only swap I have ever seen and it was broken at the time. This is a serious serious undertaking. There is not a lot of room to work under the 11th gen's and the computers are such a pain in the ass to work with when you are trying to add something the factory did not support.
Also this board is very forgiving to strange and very hard swaps. These people know what they are doing and this is one of the harder swaps here that I have seen suggested here if you want to keep it close to OEM.
Plus, if i'm remembering correctly the 5spd has a 1:1 5th gear. By extension, that probably means that the auto cars (like the Tbird) had a numerically higher rear end gear, and if you kept it you'd end up with better acceleration than the stock V6 cars had.
I have a 2011 ford fiesta 1.6l manual 5 speed. My speedometer is working good but odometer and all other attached infos like the shift light, the miles per gallons or distance left to empty does not work. I bought the transmission speed sensor but cant locate it. Any ideas where it should be?
What is the current market on a truck like this?
Clean and well maintained.
Ford trucks with 7.3 diesel was in higher demand (over the newer 6.0 and 6.4) and would sell above book value a few years ago. I see prices all over the board and appears nice older trucks with 7.3 diesel, although they have high mileage, are still being marketed way above blue book value.
Low mileage 7.3 diesel is rare to find and with a 6 speed manual tranny is practically impossible. Blue book value 1999 Ford F-350 with options in excellent condition dealer retail is $16000 and private individual sale is $14000.
What is the consumer opinions and demand for a 6 speed manual transmission in todays market?
What would this truck sell for ?
Most of the manual-transmission business in the light-duty market is concentrated in the sports or muscle-car vehicles. Ford Motor Co. has had a highly successful run with the Mustang. Related Articles - Shift of the shaft: Diagnosing Chrysler 48RE manual shaft issues - Manual clutch repair and diagnostics - Manual transmissions in 2023: Some are still sticking with it For many years Tremec, a world-class transmission manufacturer based in Mexico, supplied the transmission products for the Mustang. We have seen the T5, T45 and TR3650 five-speeds and the TR6060 six-speed. These are all quality transmissions that are still finding their way into our shops today.
In 2011 Ford switched suppliers and engaged Getrag to manufacture the six-speed transmission for the Mustang. How and why Ford switched manufacturers is unclear, but price, new engineering and/or production capacity probably had some part in the decision. We veterans of the transmission-repair wars probably would have disagreed with the choice after experiencing the Getrag-designed HM290, which was redesigned into two variations of 5LM60 and then underwent a complete redesign to become the 3500 and 3550 transmissions, developed with the GM and Chrysler partnership named New Venture Gear Co. We all know how well that went and about the demise of New Venture Gear some years back.
All gearing is constant-mesh helical-cut, with a reverse idler gear. First and second gears use triple-cone synchronizer technology, and third and fourth gears use double-cone synchronizer technology. These units have ball bearings supporting the input and output shafts and countershaft. A shift-interlock system prevents the selection of more than one gear at a time.
Unfortunately, this design has not been successful for Ford, and I would assume Getrag will suffer somewhere down the road. We have seen a number of these units come through our door for repairs at very low mileage, and the design will not live behind the Boss 302 four-valve engine.
Last July I drove a 2010 Boss 302 R Mustang in a NASCAR Grand AM road race at Watkins Glen. When I got into the car for the first time and went over all the controls and equipment with the crew chief, the first question I asked was what shift points (engine rpm) he wanted me to use.
This car was equipped with a Tranzilla Tremec Magnum six-speed close-ratio road-race transmission that they had bought from us along with a spare unit. After the first practice session I was truly impressed, as the car was well balanced and had great brakes, and the engine was awesome. We started 28th and finished 7th out of 66 entries, which is not bad for a guy who is more than 70 years old. My point here is that with the power and torque generated by the four-valve 302 engine, the design of the engagement teeth for the synchronizers on the speed gears is way short of the mark in the Getrag MT82. The Tremec TR6060 has a torque-capacity rating of about 800 lb.-ft. with no problems. Ford does not publish a torque rating for the MT82 Getrag gearbox in the repair manual, but from the many failures we have seen it cannot be anywhere close to that of the TR6060.
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