Re: Transparent/GPS data

[vk4tux]

On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 6:54:05 PM UTC+10, vk4tux wrote:

I have an IDAS repeater enroute to test, and I intend to do tcpdumps between it and NXCore (ours in VK) with Transparent data, as well as GPS data.

I intend to send the results to G4KLX, whom should be able to decipher it for mmdvm support of NXDN data formats.

My question is; What is the state of Transparent data and GPS support on USA NXCore ? Many of the new IDAS models support GPS and BT serial connections for easy

comms program use. If this does not have existing support on NXCore & we getting it going on mmdvm >NXDNClient, then all would be needed is matching TG connected reflectors on static 

nxcore connects to send GPS data to aprs,fi etc in the same way that D-Star does. This should be beneficial for emergency services, and general communication enhancement,

also support recrdable text reports etc.

Does NXCore support this style of data transfer ? I hopefully will be testing by next week.

Adrian ... vk4tux

[Evans F. Mitchell]

Right now, the state is, there is none.

Yes it can work over the Icom, but it does not populate over the network unless

The repeater is directly connected to the other repeaters ( max is 16 total ip sites )

 

You have to build a whole new program to strip the data, and then push it to the aprsd network.

 

 

Evans F. Mitchell / KD4EFM

Lead Field Service Tech.

Fisher Communications Group, Inc - Central Florida Division

C: 863-272-1713

O: 904-384-1270

ser...@rrt2way.com

www.fishercommgroup.com

www.fleettalk.net

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From: ni4ce-nx...@googlegroups.com <ni4ce-nx...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of vk4tux
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 4:54 AM
To: NI4CE NXDN Users <ni4ce-nx...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [NI4CE-NXDN] Transparent/GPS data

 

I have a IDAS repeater enroute for me to test, and i intend to do tcsumps between it and NXCore (ours in VK) with Transaparent dara as well as GPS.

i intend to send the results to G4KLX, whom should be able to decipher it for mmdvm support of NXDN data formats.

 

My question is; What is the state of Transparent data and GPS support on USA NXCore ? Many of the new IDAS models support GPS and BT serial connections for easy

comms program use. If this does not have existing support on NXCore & we getting it going on mmdvm >NXDNClient, then all would be needed is matching TG connected reflectors on static 

nxcore connects to send GPS data to aprs,fi etc in the same way that D-Star does. This should be beneficial for emergency services, and general communication enhancement,

also support recrdable text reports etc.

 

Does NXCore support this style of data transfer ? I hopefully will be testing by next week.

 

Adrian ... vk4tux

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[Adrian]

Thanks Evan's yes that was my question really, and I should have been clear, "Does NXCore traffic carry this data " ?

It appears not, which is a shame. However I am confident it can be supported in the mmdvm code once tests are done.

It may be possible to add NXDN G4KLX software connect to those 16 repeater hubs to extract the data for aprs.fi etc.


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[Evans Mitchell]

Icom is easier to pull GPS from than the kenwood. We at one point had that 6 years ago.

Evans F. Mitchell / KD4EFM
Lead Field Service Tech.
Fisher Communications Group, Inc - Central Florida Division
C: 863-272-1713
O: 904-384-1270
ser...@rrt2way.com
www.fishercommgroup.com
www.fleettalk.net

sent from my mobile device, typos could be present.

[Paul Toth-NB9X]

GPS data is sent by ICOM radios as a Text Message.  It uses the same format as the Short Digital Message (SDM).  Instead of the SDM string using "MSG" as one of the fields in the message structure, it uses the proword "GPS" and them embeds the actual comma delimited GPS string in quotes as the message.

 

Porting this information to APRS, for example, should be quite easy so long as you can translate the five digital originating Station ID into a callsign and you have access to the APRS network.

 

73 de Paul-NB9X

[vk4tux]

NXDNGateway now supports GPS report to aprs.fi ; working ;

https://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FVK4TUX-Y&timerange=3600&tail=3600

[vk4tux]

I did a direct test with two IDAS repeaters connected directly via multipoint, and good audio each way. i tested transparent

data > test send via d-rats and also NXDN chat ; but no result at the other side, no text shown, using Icom 6.25 KHz 4800 bps usual channel protocol.

Then reading this ;

"The new IDAS radios can be used as a transparent data modem which transmits various data at 9600 bps over the radio channel using 12.5 kHz channel spacing.

 Text messages can send up to 100 characters text data message and scrolls the received message on the display"

from the Icom brochure.

Is it the case that only 12.5KHz IDAS operation supports transparent data ? Or do I have configuration errors ?

Adrian ... vk4tux

[Paul Toth-NB9X]

Based on everything I have been told, Transparent Mode is a 12.5 KHz, 9600 baud emission.

 

100 character texting, using the SDM feature, is a 6.25 KHz NXDN feature.  I have this working in my NXDNMsg Windows app.  And for longer messages, including formatted NTS messages, the app breaks the total content into multiple 100 character messages and then puts them back together again once received.

 

73 de Paul-NB9X

[Adrian]

-SDM feature ? have not heard of this. If transparent data is not what is being used on 6.25 KHz, then I would like to see the serial configuration
for the radio concerned ? Can you share more on your working setup please Paul ? The codeplug, and/or detail, and software used ?

Thankyou

Adriian ... vk4tux

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[Adrian]

Paul, I see the in-radio SDM feature, I will try that later. However have you had any luck with external program entry linke NXDN Char etc ?

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Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 14:19:07 -0400

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[Paul Toth-NB9X]

SDM is short for Short Digital Message.  Your F4400D portable and all IDAS display models suuport this feature.  Look in the programming software for DIGITAL --> SDM for configuration options and the ability to store pre-canned messages in software for recall as needed.

 

When connecting to a computer, you need to enable the programming cable's Multi-Connector to PC CMD V2 to be able to read and write to the radio.  You will also need to set the baud rate for the serial transfer.  Write these changes to your radio and the radio now becomes an extension of your computer.  Then, using ICOM's PC COMMANDS function library of SDK, you can create custom programming to work with the radio.  One caveat:  With PC CMD V2 enabled, you will need to press and hold the P0 key on your radio when you turn the radio ON in order to RESET the radio to work with the programming cable to make programming adjustments or load firmware updates.

 

Radios that are equipped with a multi-pin connector will use the Serial IN and OUT pins (usually 2 and 3).

[Paul Toth-NB9X]

Haven't tried it.

[Adrian]

Paul, Where is the best online reference to ICOM's PC COMMANDS function library of SDK please ? We have SDM working on these radios via keypad entry thanks, just looking for the PC usage using CMD V2 ?

Not having much luck on google.

[Paul Toth-NB9X]

I am not failiar with any ID for the F3400D / F4400D radios.  On the other hand, ICOM NXDN radios are considered Land Mobile Radio products, not Amateur Radio products.  You will note the same with Kenwood's NXDN offerings.  I cannot speak to their respective motivations although I am sure ICOM is not enthusiastic about promoting a digital mode that would overshadow D-Star.

 

73 de Paul-NB9X 

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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 10:11 PM

Subject: RE: [NI4CE-NXDN] Re: Transparent/GPS data

Paul, which rigctl icom id No matches the IC-F4400DT please ?

 

   302  Icom                   IC-1275                 0.8             Beta

   303  Icom                   IC-271                  0.8             Untested

   304  Icom                   IC-275                  0.8.1           Beta

   306  Icom                   IC-471                  0.8             Untested

   307  Icom                   IC-475                  0.8.1           Beta

   309  Icom                   IC-706                  0.8.1           Untested

   310  Icom                   IC-706MkII              0.8.1           Untested

   311  Icom                   IC-706MkIIG             0.8.2           Stable

   312  Icom                   IC-707                  0.8             Untested

   313  Icom                   IC-718                  0.8.1           Beta

   314  Icom                   IC-725                  0.8.1           Stable

   315  Icom                   IC-726                  0.8             Stable

   316  Icom                   IC-728                  0.8             Untested

   319  Icom                   IC-735                  0.8.1           Beta

   320  Icom                   IC-736                  0.8             Untested

   321  Icom                   IC-737                  0.8             Untested

   322  Icom                   IC-738                  0.8             Untested

   323  Icom                   IC-746                  0.8.1           Beta

   324  Icom                   IC-751                  0.8.1           Beta

   326  Icom                   IC-756                  0.8.1           Alpha

   327  Icom                   IC-756PRO               0.8             Untested

   328  Icom                   IC-761                  0.8.1           Stable

   329  Icom                   IC-765                  0.8             Stable

   330  Icom                   IC-775                  0.8.1           Untested

   331  Icom                   IC-781                  0.8.1           Untested

   332  Icom                   IC-820H                 0.8             Alpha

   334  Icom                   IC-821H                 0.8             Alpha

   335  Icom                   IC-970                  0.8             Untested

   336  Icom                   IC-R10                  0.8             Beta

   337  Icom                   IC-R71                  0.8             Untested

   338  Icom                   IC-R72                  0.8             Untested

   339  Icom                   IC-R75                  0.8             Beta

   340  Icom                   IC-R7000                0.8.0           Alpha

   341  Icom                   IC-R7100                0.8.0           Untested

   342  Icom                   ICR-8500                0.8.1           Beta

   343  Icom                   IC-R9000                0.8.1           Alpha

   344  Icom                   IC-910                  0.8.1           Beta

   345  Icom                   IC-78                   0.8             Untested

   346  Icom                   IC-746PRO               0.8             Stable

   347  Icom                   IC-756PROII             0.8             Alpha

   351  Ten-Tec                Omni VI Plus            0.2             Beta

   352  Optoelectronics        OptoScan535             0.3             Beta

   353  Optoelectronics        OptoScan456             0.3             Beta

   354  Icom                   IC ID-1                 0.8             Untested

   355  Icom                   IC-703                  0.8             Untested

   356  Icom                   IC-7800                 0.8.2           Untested

   357  Icom                   IC-756PROIII            0.8.1           Beta

   358  Icom                   IC-R20                  0.8             Beta

   360  Icom                   IC-7000                 0.8.2           Beta

   361  Icom                   IC-7200                 0.8             Beta

   362  Icom                   IC-7700                 0.8.1           Stable

   363  Icom                   IC-7600                 0.8             Beta

   364  Ten-Tec                Delta II                0.1             Untested

   365  Icom                   IC-92D                  0.8             Untested

   366  Icom                   IC-R9500                0.8.1           Untested

   367  Icom                   IC-7410                 0.8             Untested

   368  Icom                   IC-9100                 0.8             Untested

   369  Icom                   IC-RX7                  0.8             Untested

   370  Icom                   IC-7100                 0.8             Untested

   371  Icom                   ID-5100                 0.8             Untested

   372  Icom                   IC-2730                 0.8             Untested

   373  Icom                   IC-7300                 0.8.3           Stable

 

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