Wilson's fear for Northern Ireland: UDI and then a "pariah state"
Falcon
Have you heard the one about all that evil British pro-loyalist bias? Well,
government files covering 1976 are open to the public today under the
30-year rule, and one particular release sheds light of what the British
prime minister and members of his government really thought of Ulster's
'loyalists'.
Harold Wilson had an apocalyptic vision of Northern Ireland as 1976 began,
with a "so-called loyalist" declaration of independence sparking terrorist
violence throughout the UK.
Making clear his frustration with intransigent Unionists, Wilson wrote that
the UK could face the prospect of a Rhodesian-style unilateral declaration
of independence by Unionist hardliners, followed by a period of
"Ulster-inspired terrorism" emanating from Glasgow and Liverpool.
But every cloud has a silver lining. Wilson observed that at least the UK
would be free from the "purblind fanaticism of Northern Ireland", and from
the expense of ruling it.
http://xrl.us/t25m (Link to www.timesonline.co.uk).
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Sinn Fein to discuss republican backing for policing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.
news:lX4lh.28087$493....@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> Have you heard the one about all that evil British pro-loyalist bias?
> Well,
> government files covering 1976 are open to the public today under the
> 30-year rule, and one particular release sheds light of what the British
> prime minister and members of his government really thought of Ulster's
> 'loyalists'.
>
> Harold Wilson had an apocalyptic vision of Northern Ireland as 1976 began,
> with a "so-called loyalist" declaration of independence sparking terrorist
> violence throughout the UK.
>
> Making clear his frustration with intransigent Unionists, Wilson wrote
> that
> the UK could face the prospect of a Rhodesian-style unilateral declaration
> of independence by Unionist hardliners, followed by a period of
> "Ulster-inspired terrorism" emanating from Glasgow and Liverpool.
>
> But every cloud has a silver lining. Wilson observed that at least the UK
> would be free from the "purblind fanaticism of Northern Ireland", and from
> the expense of ruling it.
>
> http://xrl.us/t25m (Link to www.timesonline.co.uk).
>
>
I do believe we were all well aware of Wilson and his problems with NI in
particular. Pure fantasy on his part.
--
Harry Merrick.
Falcon
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh. wrote:
> "Falcon" <falco...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:lX4lh.28087$493....@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> Have you heard the one about all that evil British pro-loyalist bias?
[...]
>> http://xrl.us/t25m (Link to www.timesonline.co.uk).
>>
>
> I do believe we were all well aware of Wilson and his problems with NI in
> particular. Pure fantasy on his part.
I think he was wrong to believe that UDI was a possibility, but his
frustration and impatience with unionists and dislike for so-called
'loyalism' was very real. And no matter what morons like hh2 would have us
believe, it was also shared by the Army at senior and grass-roots level by
anyone who was sent to the mental asylum that was Northern Ireland. I know.
I was there when he wrote it.
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Sinn Fein to discuss republician backing for policing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm
michael adams
There has never been any pro-loyalist bias at all.
Successive British Governments have always been just too damned cowardly
to face up to them. To the consequences of their own failed colonial
experiment in other words. Same as with the senior echelons of the British
Army both in 1976, and back in 1913
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose
< Snipped "startling" revelations >
michael adams
...
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.
>
> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh. wrote:
>
>> "Falcon" <falco...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:lX4lh.28087$493....@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> Have you heard the one about all that evil British pro-loyalist bias?
> [...]
>>> http://xrl.us/t25m (Link to www.timesonline.co.uk).
>>>
>>
>> I do believe we were all well aware of Wilson and his problems with NI in
>> particular. Pure fantasy on his part.
>
> I think he was wrong to believe that UDI was a possibility, but his
> frustration and impatience with unionists and dislike for so-called
> 'loyalism' was very real. And no matter what morons like hh2 would have us
> believe, it was also shared by the Army at senior and grass-roots level by
> anyone who was sent to the mental asylum that was Northern Ireland. I
> know. I was there when he wrote it.
>
Well, and so what? My father, God rest his soul, was a Colonel in the BA at
the time, and would have disagreed with you full heartedly. Just because YOU
fall for the Republican propaganda, does NOT mean that "you" are correct,
nor that revealed fantasies of a subsequently failed socialist Prime
Minister were correct either. Incidentally, I, too, was there when he wrote
it! Your remarks are disingenuous and ignorantly biased. Not to mention,
merely your own opinion!
--
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.
Falcon
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh. wrote:
"Just because YOU fall for the Republican propaganda"?
Me?
What the hell are you on?
hmhawktoo
news:337lh.27350$z01....@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:
>
> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh. wrote:
>
>> "Falcon" <falco...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:lX4lh.28087$493....@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> Have you heard the one about all that evil British pro-loyalist
>>> bias?
> [...]
>>> http://xrl.us/t25m (Link to www.timesonline.co.uk).
>>>
>>
>> I do believe we were all well aware of Wilson and his problems with
>> NI in particular. Pure fantasy on his part.
>
> I think he was wrong to believe that UDI was a possibility, but his
> frustration and impatience with unionists and dislike for so-called
> 'loyalism' was very real. And no matter what morons like hh2 would
> have us believe, it was also shared by the Army at senior and
> grass-roots level by anyone who was sent to the mental asylum that was
> Northern Ireland. I know. I was there when he wrote it.
This moron is able to predict with a fair degree of accuracy what
unionism will do next and to what extent. It takes a moron like you to
extrapolate from "released" files, the heroic intentions of unionism.
You are of course and as usual, quite wrong. It was your own excuse for
government that had Wilson bugged and pegged as a KGB agent. It was your
own excuse for a government that had "plans" for his overthrow to "save
freedom". And it is fodder such as you that cling on to *any* shred to
salve any notion they have of political acumen or conscience saving
crumbs. You were part of a murderous terrorist campaign Flaky. One that
your excuse for a government has waged on the Irish people for
centuries. You have attempted to eradicate our language, religion,
culture etc. You have massacred our people using your warped
interpretation of morality as justification. You have not suceeded. You
are not suceeding. You will not suceed. Live with it Flaky and exercise
your mental faculties to help you with your conscience. You're grasping
at straws.
hmhawktoo
news:4vl0f4F...@mid.individual.net:
> "Falcon" <falco...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:337lh.27350$z01....@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh. wrote:
>>
>>> "Falcon" <falco...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:lX4lh.28087$493....@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>
>>>> Have you heard the one about all that evil British pro-loyalist
>>>> bias?
>> [...]
>>>> http://xrl.us/t25m (Link to www.timesonline.co.uk).
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do believe we were all well aware of Wilson and his problems with
>>> NI in particular. Pure fantasy on his part.
>>
>> I think he was wrong to believe that UDI was a possibility, but his
>> frustration and impatience with unionists and dislike for so-called
>> 'loyalism' was very real. And no matter what morons like hh2 would
>> have us believe, it was also shared by the Army at senior and
>> grass-roots level by anyone who was sent to the mental asylum that
>> was Northern Ireland. I know. I was there when he wrote it.
>>
>
> Well, and so what? My father, God rest his soul, was a Colonel in the
> BA
Ah the madness is revealed. I bet you puff your cheeks out and blow the
word british to make you feel part of "the gang" and somewhat potent. It's
quite pathetic really.
hmhawktoo
>
> < Snipped "startling" revelations >
Heh! Good one!
William A. T. Clark
hmhawktoo <NOS...@lycos.com> wrote:
Well apparently it *has* managed to eradicate your control of the
English language.
The word is "succeeded", not "suceeded". And it is "save" or "salvage",
not "salve". That is an ointment.
William Clark
michael adams
"William A. T. Clark" <clar...@osu.edu> wrote in message
news:clark.31-B5E661...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> Well apparently it *has* managed to eradicate your control of the
> English language.
>
> The word is "succeeded", not "suceeded". And it is "save" or "salvage",
> not "salve". That is an ointment.
>
> William Clark
salve /salv, sv/ v.1t. [OE s(e)alfian = OFris. salvia, OS salbon
(Du. salven), OHG salbon (G salben), Goth. salbon, f. Gmc base also of
SALVE n.1]
1 Anoint (a wound, sore, etc.) with salve or ointment.
arch. & poet. OE. b Smear (sheep) with a medicinal mixture esp. of tar,
grease, etc. Now rare. E16.
2 a Restore to health, cure (a person). Freq. foll. by of a sickness,
sin, etc. ME-L16. b Heal or remedy (a disease, sin, sorrow, etc.). Long obs.
exc. as passing into sense 4. LME.
3 fig. Make good, smooth over (a defect, a lack, an offence, a disgrace,
a dispute, etc.). Also foll. by up. L16-E18. 4 fig. Soothe (wounded
feelings,
an uneasy conscience, etc.); console. Also foll. by over. E19.
---------------------------------------------------------
Excerpted from Oxford Talking Dictionary
Copyright © 1998 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
4 hth
5 michael adams
...
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.
Nothing whatsoever as it happens. What are "you" on? Your post depicts, a la
Harold Wilson, the extraordinary falsehood that "perhaps" the Loyalist and
Unionist's per se and all at once would consider revolting against Queen and
Country and actually rebel? Engage in Civil war?? Such utter nonsense! We
are British and very proud to be so. There is NO way that the Unionist
British supporters and citizens in NI would engage in Civil War except as a
very last resort. However, there is no doubt at all that a Civil War was
indeed raged within Northern Ireland. But by who? Republicans of course! How
dare you try to obfuscate the true facts of the matter by posting totally
irrelevant material with the undoubtedly snide intent to attempt to
mis-present the Unionists Ulsterman and his loyalties to Queen and country.
Harold Wilson is exposed to be totally paranoid and unreliable. Quote: "
MICHAEL CRICK:
The late '70's were an extraordinary time in British politics, with the
former Prime Minister Harold Wilson alleging MI5 had plotted to undermine
him. A shot dog on Dartmoor, and the Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe accused of
attempted murder. Amidst all this, there's growing mystery about the role
played by a former student leader turned ministerial adviser Jack Straw,
especially now it's emerged Wilson tried to keep Straw's name out of the
headlines. - Unquote.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/archive/2333595.stm
--
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.
Ex_OWM
"Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." <home...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4vlk5hF...@mid.individual.net...
> There is NO way that the Unionist British supporters and citizens in NI
> would engage in Civil War except as a very last resort. However, there is
> no doubt at all that a Civil War was indeed raged within Northern Ireland.
You used to be indecisive, Harry ... now you're not so sure.
ROFLMAO
max.it
<mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
-
-"William A. T. Clark" <clar...@osu.edu> wrote in message
-news:clark.31-B5E661...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
-> Well apparently it *has* managed to eradicate your control of the
-> English language.
->
-> The word is "succeeded", not "suceeded". And it is "save" or
"salvage",
-> not "salve". That is an ointment.
->
-> William Clark
-
-salve /salv, sv/ v.1t. [OE s(e)alfian = OFris. salvia, OS salbon
-(Du. salven), OHG salbon (G salben), Goth. salbon, f. Gmc base also
of
-SALVE n.1]
-
-1 Anoint (a wound, sore, etc.) with salve or ointment.
-arch. & poet. OE. b Smear (sheep) with a medicinal mixture esp. of
tar,
-grease, etc. Now rare. E16.
-
-2 a Restore to health, cure (a person). Freq. foll. by of a
sickness,
-sin, etc. ME-L16. b Heal or remedy (a disease, sin, sorrow, etc.).
Long obs.
-exc. as passing into sense 4. LME.
-
-3 fig. Make good, smooth over (a defect, a lack, an offence, a
disgrace,
-a dispute, etc.). Also foll. by up. L16-E18. 4 fig. Soothe (wounded
-feelings,
-an uneasy conscience, etc.); console. Also foll. by over. E19.
-
----------------------------------------------------------
-Excerpted from Oxford Talking Dictionary
-Copyright © 1998 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
-
-
-4 hth
-
-
-5 michael adams
If it's hitting 3rd on the list it must be a barbarism, or if it's
used on purpose then it's a solicism.
Does that mean that the Solicites invented the barbarism ?
Whaddya think of Umpire Benson, helped off the pitch with chest pains
in Durban (Kingsmead?) Not a bit of wonder, the umpiring has been
ropey (from tv land) to say the least, and I understand that umpirial
effigies have been burned.
Last season I had to call wide ball in the closing overs of a tight
run chase. The visiting supporters all boooooed and honked their car
horns......Ah well. My colleague gave the last batsman not out, run
out, in the next over, all the fielders were hopping around thinking
that they had won the match........Then they noticed that both batsmen
and both umpires were standing waiting on the next delivery....... The
home (chasing) team won.
Cricket is emotionally brutal, one chance to bat, and one wrong
official decision ruins it. Haire is gone, Willey and Mallander
declined to join the icc elite panel, shep is retired, Bucnor is next
and Rudi is more random than ever. We are stepping into the umpire
disaster era the cam techies and inexperienced officials will make the
elite panel look like monkies.........
Solidarity in public,ass kicking in private. This has always worked
for umpires, these days it's about why didn't he get his ass kicked,
and where are the public stats for umpires?
I haven't recieved my 2006 grade yet.
I hope I do soon because it lets me read the captains reports. All
umpires are appraised this way, the captains report is important.
A test match captain may cite a few incidents / issues and the icc can
"beam up" the footage. A normal league captain will say "inconsistant
wides" and if he gets given out 1st ball he might say worse, with no
footage to clarify the matter.
So as umpire until you get to "camera level" you have no defence
against the written word. All the same, if youre' doin' it right, then
the words will do you no harm.
max.it (the orange cage)
Falcon
Ex_OWM wrote:
What was that I said about a mental asylum?
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
McAleese relatives join PSNI
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2091-2517974.html
Falcon
hmhawktoo wrote:
> "Falcon" <falco...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in
> news:337lh.27350$z01....@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:
>
>>
>> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh. wrote:
>>
>>> "Falcon" <falco...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:lX4lh.28087$493....@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>
>>>> Have you heard the one about all that evil British pro-loyalist
>>>> bias?
>> [...]
>>>> http://xrl.us/t25m (Link to www.timesonline.co.uk).
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do believe we were all well aware of Wilson and his problems with
>>> NI in particular. Pure fantasy on his part.
>>
>> I think he was wrong to believe that UDI was a possibility, but his
>> frustration and impatience with unionists and dislike for so-called
>> 'loyalism' was very real. And no matter what morons like hh2 would
>> have us believe, it was also shared by the Army at senior and
>> grass-roots level by anyone who was sent to the mental asylum that was
>> Northern Ireland. I know. I was there when he wrote it.
>
> This moron is able to predict [...]
A pathetic whine from the MOPE wasn't difficult to predict either.
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Westprog
...
> > This moron is able to predict [...]
> A pathetic whine from the MOPE wasn't difficult to predict either.
If H2O has predicted anything correctly I missed it. He's been telling us
about the forthcoming loyalist bloodbath for years.
--
J/
SOTW: "I Hate You" - The Stranglers
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Suite-XVI-Stranglers/dp/B000GG4T3W/sr=1-2/qid=1166527006/ref=sr_1_2/202-7898479-8535042?ie=UTF8&s=music
http://societies.csc.tcd.ie/~gamers/leprecon/?page_id=72
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3080694188578368957
michael adams
"max.it" <m...@teatime.co.uk> wrote in message
news:45959b6c...@news.btopenworld.com...
I don't understand half of that. I got the Oxford Dictionary
CD in a charity shop for £1, and I haven't looked back since.
If you can't beat em confuse em.
...
>
> Whaddya think of Umpire Benson, helped off the pitch with chest pains
> in Durban (Kingsmead?) Not a bit of wonder, the umpiring has been
> ropey (from tv land) to say the least, and I understand that umpirial
> effigies have been burned.
...
Although they were trying just as hard to win in the old days you get
the idea that the umpires are under a lot more pressure nowadays.
The technology maybe combined with less respect for authority
Nowadays people simply won't accept the idea behind the rule
"the umpires or referees decision is final ". AFAIAA in the
old days before camera replays the umpires decision really was
final, what he said had happened, happened. No arguing. Just like
the juries verdict in a Court of Law except with no appeals. That
was the only way to keep the game moving and stop people arguing
forever. Now with the camera every decision is open to scrutiny
afterwards and forever more.
...
> Last season I had to call wide ball in the closing overs of a tight
> run chase. The visiting supporters all boooooed and honked their car
> horns......Ah well. My colleague gave the last batsman not out, run
> out, in the next over, all the fielders were hopping around thinking
> that they had won the match........Then they noticed that both batsmen
> and both umpires were standing waiting on the next delivery....... The
> home (chasing) team won.
> Cricket is emotionally brutal, one chance to bat, and one wrong
> official decision ruins it. Haire is gone, Willey and Mallander
> declined to join the icc elite panel, shep is retired, Bucnor is next
> and Rudi is more random than ever. We are stepping into the umpire
> disaster era the cam techies and inexperienced officials will make the
> elite panel look like monkies.........
>
...
LBW's must be particularly hard to call I'd imagine, especially in the
face of strong appeals. They're an area where decisions sometimes
seem open to a lot of doubt, along with run outs where there's no camera
I suppose. Having been shown to have given clearly wrong LBW's after the
event, must shake any umpires confidence up a bit I'd imagine.
...
> Solidarity in public,ass kicking in private. This has always worked
> for umpires, these days it's about why didn't he get his ass kicked,
> and where are the public stats for umpires?
>
> I haven't recieved my 2006 grade yet.
> I hope I do soon because it lets me read the captains reports. All
> umpires are appraised this way, the captains report is important.
> A test match captain may cite a few incidents / issues and the icc can
> "beam up" the footage. A normal league captain will say "inconsistant
> wides" and if he gets given out 1st ball he might say worse, with no
> footage to clarify the matter.
> So as umpire until you get to "camera level" you have no defence
> against the written word. All the same, if youre' doin' it right, then
> the words will do you no harm.
I'd hope they keep an eye on the captains as well though. Whether
they're bad losers and that sort of thing. And compare losing captains
reports from your other games in the case of any disputes. I assume
winning captains are unlikely to slag umpires off. Ideally as umpires
you could maybe share the details in your reports so you can grade
the captains and use that in your defence if necessary. Although
their cards have maybe already been marked I suppose.
michael adams
...
>
> max.it (the orange cage)
William A. T. Clark
"michael adams" <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
Well, the Oxford English Dictionary says:
salve
€ noun 1 an ointment used to soothe or promote healing of the skin. 2
something that soothes wounded feelings or an uneasy conscience.
€ verb alleviate (guilty feelings): charity salves our conscience.
‹ ORIGIN Old English.
Compact Oxford English Dictionary
Clearly neither of these apply to the context in which it was used, i.e.
"And it is fodder such as you that cling on to *any* shred to salve any
notion they have of political acumen or conscience saving crumbs." It
should have been "save" or "salvage".
William Clark
Telmey®
OHFFS
UDI, Under Drunken intoxication
If Between 01:45 and 03:30 that is all you have to complain about,
Then you have a wonderful, problem free life, be grateful or try
de-pipping a grape with your toes
FFS You both know what each other meant, It means many things around
the world, is it not a greeting in some, In fact is the word not a
latin word anyway.
Anyway, I off to bed, not going to read any more drivel, so if you
are planning on staying up late, don't forget to turn the SCI light
out. some people are busy cuddling up and don't really want to see
your two- pot or ca-noodling together at this time of the morning,
OH Gawd, the thought makes me wanna be si.....c.....................
hmhawktoo
> A pathetic whine from the MOPE wasn't difficult to predict either.
One of course that yu are unable to respond to.
Falcon
hmhawktoo wrote:
>> A pathetic whine from the MOPE wasn't difficult to predict either.
>
> One of course that yu are unable to respond to.
The group is still trying to work out what it meant.
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Unionists fear secret deal on IRA fugitives
Sinn Fein backs police conference
Adams statement is a 'seismic step'
http://xrl.us/t3dk (Link to www.timesonline.co.uk)
michael adams
"fodder such as you that cling to any shred " sounds pretty good as well.
Can "fodder" actually cling to things ?
Most of H2's efforts are indeed impenetrable gobbledegook and I normally
give them a miss. But nevertheless, at a pinch, I think a case could be
made for "salved" as in 2. a Restore to health,
After all "restore to health" is equivalent to "save" is it not ?
I'm cheating, as I bought the Oxford Talking Dictionary CD in a Cancer
Relief Charity Shop for £1. Among the best £1's worths I've ever bought.
It seems to be the real deal - based on the OED. Quotations, Thesaurus
as well.
It has 3 different entries for salve just as a verb - four as a noun -
here's the other two as a verb
salve /salv/ v.3t. E18. [Back-form. f. SALVAGE n.1 Cf. earlier SALVOR.]
Save (a ship or cargo) from loss at sea; salvage, make salvage of.
-------
salve v.2t. L16. [App. f. late L salvare SAVE v., infl. by SOLVE v.]
1 Explain, account for (a difficulty, discrepancy, etc.); overcome
(a doubt or objection). L16-M18. b Astron. Account for or explain by
devising an appropriate theory or hypothesis. Only in 17.
2 Make tenable or credible, obviate objections to (an opinion,
hypothesis, etc.). L16-E18.
3 Preserve (a person's honour, reputation, etc.); make good
(one's oath, etc.). Also, save the reputation of (a person). L16-E19.
---------------------------------------------------------
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Copyright © 1998 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
...
It saves a lot of messing around on the web, as I used to paste
stuff from the American Heritage Dictionary. Or wear and tear
on my old Chambers 20'th Century. But not any more!
Anyway, Happy New Year William,
michael adams
hmhawktoo
@newsfe6-win.ntli.net:
>
> hmhawktoo wrote:
>
>>> A pathetic whine from the MOPE wasn't difficult to predict either.
>>
>> One of course that yu are unable to respond to.
>
> The group is still trying to work out what it meant.
The group isn't. And this is marked down as yet another evasion. Address
your conscience Flaky. It will kepp you awake at nights otherwise.
Telmey®
<NOS...@lycos.com> wrote :
>"Falcon" <falco...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in news:uxplh.1118$CR3.324
>@newsfe6-win.ntli.net:
>
>>
>> hmhawktoo wrote:
>>
>>>> A pathetic whine from the MOPE wasn't difficult to predict either.
>>>
>>> One of course that yu are unable to respond to.
>>
>> The group is still trying to work out what it meant.
>
>The group isn't.
You spoken to them all and taken a survey have you?
Falcon
Telmey® wrote:
Surveys are routinely ignored in SCI.
Ex_OWM
"Telmey®" <telmey®@ntlworld.moc> wrote in message
news:lnkcp2h2sil7upl6m...@4ax.com...
> You spoken to them all and taken a survey have you?
Ex_OWM's Representative Reciprocation Law:
"The actual population size on whose behalf a self appointed representative
claims to speak is inversely proportional to the population size he or she
claims to speak for."
William A. T. Clark
"michael adams" <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
Good point. My real issue here is that our resident guerrilla should
spend less time agonizing at what the British did to his "culture", and
more time looking at the damage he himself does to it with his every
doublespeak utterance. Not since George W stepped on the scene has the
English language taken such an unwarranted battering.
>
> Most of H2's efforts are indeed impenetrable gobbledegook and I normally
> give them a miss. But nevertheless, at a pinch, I think a case could be
> made for "salved" as in 2. a Restore to health,
>
> After all "restore to health" is equivalent to "save" is it not ?
Possible, but I think you are giving him entirely too much credit. If I
read the sentence, clearly the words "save" and (especially) "salvage"
spring immediately to mind. I mean, that sentence should be encased in
amber and preserved as a masterpiece of no-speak.
>
> I'm cheating, as I bought the Oxford Talking Dictionary CD in a Cancer
> Relief Charity Shop for £1. Among the best £1's worths I've ever bought.
> It seems to be the real deal - based on the OED. Quotations, Thesaurus
> as well.
Perhaps you could spring another pound for a copy for H2? Sort of a
public service, really. You could probably claim it on your income tax
as a charitable donation. Or maybe get an honour from a grateful nation?
> It has 3 different entries for salve just as a verb - four as a noun -
>
>
> here's the other two as a verb
>
> salve /salv/ v.3t. E18. [Back-form. f. SALVAGE n.1 Cf. earlier SALVOR.]
> Save (a ship or cargo) from loss at sea; salvage, make salvage of.
>
> -------
>
> salve v.2t. L16. [App. f. late L salvare SAVE v., infl. by SOLVE v.]
> 1 Explain, account for (a difficulty, discrepancy, etc.); overcome
> (a doubt or objection). L16-M18. b Astron. Account for or explain by
> devising an appropriate theory or hypothesis. Only in 17.
> 2 Make tenable or credible, obviate objections to (an opinion,
> hypothesis, etc.). L16-E18.
> 3 Preserve (a person's honour, reputation, etc.); make good
> (one's oath, etc.). Also, save the reputation of (a person). L16-E19.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Excerpted from Oxford Talking Dictionary
> Copyright © 1998 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>
> ...
>
> It saves a lot of messing around on the web, as I used to paste
> stuff from the American Heritage Dictionary. Or wear and tear
> on my old Chambers 20'th Century. But not any more!
>
>
> Anyway, Happy New Year William,
Happy New Year to you, too, Michael,
William Clark
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.
news:4vlkjoF...@mid.individual.net...
Hmm. Only just saw this. So, how am I being indecisive? Are you saying that
a Civil War of sorts was NOT waged by Republicans?? Why edit out what I
actually said? Manipulation of facts by you, as usual.
ROTFL!!
--
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.
>
> Ex_OWM wrote:
>
>> "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." <home...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4vlk5hF...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>> There is NO way that the Unionist British supporters and citizens in NI
>>> would engage in Civil War except as a very last resort. However, there
>>> is
>>> no doubt at all that a Civil War was indeed raged within Northern
>>> Ireland.
>>
>> You used to be indecisive, Harry ... now you're not so sure.
>>
>> ROFLMAO
>
> What was that I said about a mental asylum?
Well? And who now is mostly regarded as belonging to a mental asylum? The
Labour Government, Peter Haine, Blair, et all. I hardly think that
irrelevant ad hominems against the Unionist and BRITISH part of Ireland does
you much credit.
:-))
--
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.
max.it
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-"Ex_OWM" <allthesp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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->
-> "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." <home...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
-> news:4vlk5hF...@mid.individual.net...
->
->> There is NO way that the Unionist British supporters and citizens
in NI
->> would engage in Civil War except as a very last resort. However,
there is
->> no doubt at all that a Civil War was indeed raged within Northern
->> Ireland.
->
-> You used to be indecisive, Harry ... now you're not so sure.
->
-> ROFLMAO
-
-Hmm. Only just saw this. So, how am I being indecisive? Are you
saying that
-a Civil War of sorts was NOT waged by Republicans?? Why edit out what
I
-actually said? Manipulation of facts by you, as usual.
-
-ROTFL!!
-
---
-Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.
-
I spotted the typo, and I bet the others did too.
max.it (the orange cage)
max.it
<mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
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-"max.it" <m...@teatime.co.uk> wrote in message
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->> -
-> -salve /salv, sv/ v.1t. [OE s(e)alfian = OFris. salvia, OS salbon
-> -(Du. salven), OHG salbon (G salben), Goth. salbon, f. Gmc base
also
-> of
-> -SALVE n.1]
-> -
-> -1 Anoint (a wound, sore, etc.) with salve or ointment.
-> -arch. & poet. OE. b Smear (sheep) with a medicinal mixture esp. of
-> tar,
-> -grease, etc. Now rare. E16.
-> -
-> -2 a Restore to health, cure (a person). Freq. foll. by of a
-> sickness,
-> -sin, etc. ME-L16. b Heal or remedy (a disease, sin, sorrow, etc.).
-> Long obs.
-> -exc. as passing into sense 4. LME.
-> -
-> -3 fig. Make good, smooth over (a defect, a lack, an offence, a
-> disgrace,
-> -a dispute, etc.). Also foll. by up. L16-E18. 4 fig. Soothe
(wounded
-> -feelings,
-> -an uneasy conscience, etc.); console. Also foll. by over. E19.
-> -
-> ----------------------------------------------------------
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-> -Copyright © 1998 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
-> -
-> -
-> -4 hth
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-> -
-> -5 michael adams
->
-> If it's hitting 3rd on the list it must be a barbarism, or if it's
-> used on purpose then it's a solicism.
-> Does that mean that the Solicites invented the barbarism ?
-
-I don't understand half of that. I got the Oxford Dictionary
-CD in a charity shop for £1, and I haven't looked back since.
-
-If you can't beat em confuse em.
-
-...
-
->
-> Whaddya think of Umpire Benson, helped off the pitch with chest
pains
-> in Durban (Kingsmead?) Not a bit of wonder, the umpiring has been
-> ropey (from tv land) to say the least, and I understand that
umpirial
-> effigies have been burned.
-
-...
-
-Although they were trying just as hard to win in the old days you get
-the idea that the umpires are under a lot more pressure nowadays.
-The technology maybe combined with less respect for authority
-
-Nowadays people simply won't accept the idea behind the rule
-"the umpires or referees decision is final ". AFAIAA in the
-old days before camera replays the umpires decision really was
-final, what he said had happened, happened. No arguing. Just like
-the juries verdict in a Court of Law except with no appeals. That
-was the only way to keep the game moving and stop people arguing
-forever. Now with the camera every decision is open to scrutiny
-afterwards and forever more.
-
-...
-
-> Last season I had to call wide ball in the closing overs of a tight
-> run chase. The visiting supporters all boooooed and honked their
car
-> horns......Ah well. My colleague gave the last batsman not out, run
-> out, in the next over, all the fielders were hopping around
thinking
-> that they had won the match........Then they noticed that both
batsmen
-> and both umpires were standing waiting on the next delivery.......
The
-> home (chasing) team won.
-> Cricket is emotionally brutal, one chance to bat, and one wrong
-> official decision ruins it. Haire is gone, Willey and Mallander
-> declined to join the icc elite panel, shep is retired, Bucnor is
next
-> and Rudi is more random than ever. We are stepping into the umpire
-> disaster era the cam techies and inexperienced officials will make
the
-> elite panel look like monkies.........
->
-
-...
-
-LBW's must be particularly hard to call I'd imagine, especially in
the
-face of strong appeals. They're an area where decisions sometimes
-seem open to a lot of doubt, along with run outs where there's no
camera
-I suppose. Having been shown to have given clearly wrong LBW's after
the
-event, must shake any umpires confidence up a bit I'd imagine.
-
A lot of players don't understand the criterea for lbw so they will
always feel robbed of their wicket. The tv hawkeye system shows a ball
perhaps clipping leg stump, well in real life that's not out (missing
leg).
TV cricket has gone on from trying to simulate or emulate the umpire,
it's almost sinister, like they have some kind of financial agenda in
mind ;)
The biggest win for the TV peeps was the Oval test. Not because they
captured some amazing footage, but because they didn't.
All the same, I went to a presentation by the Ireland video analysis
guy recently and he has some super amazing video and database
software. Luckily there was only one match with an Irish umpire, and
he wasn't at the presentation ( good job too). We spent a while
looking at some lbw decisions by a certain ECB umpire, some of the
guys were sitting behind me and I could hear them saying "why's that
not out"? Then the video guy beamed up the decision stats, how many
questions and how many answers. That umpire had ten from ten not outs,
and clearly from the video he should have sent a few batsmen packing.
max.it (the orange cage)
-> Solidarity in public,ass kicking in private. This has always worked
-> for umpires, these days it's about why didn't he get his ass
kicked,
-> and where are the public stats for umpires?
->
-> I haven't recieved my 2006 grade yet.
-> I hope I do soon because it lets me read the captains reports. All
-> umpires are appraised this way, the captains report is important.
-> A test match captain may cite a few incidents / issues and the icc
can
-> "beam up" the footage. A normal league captain will say
"inconsistant
-> wides" and if he gets given out 1st ball he might say worse, with
no
-> footage to clarify the matter.
-> So as umpire until you get to "camera level" you have no defence
-> against the written word. All the same, if youre' doin' it right,
then
-> the words will do you no harm.
-
-
-I'd hope they keep an eye on the captains as well though. Whether
-they're bad losers and that sort of thing. And compare losing
captains
-reports from your other games in the case of any disputes. I assume
-winning captains are unlikely to slag umpires off. Ideally as umpires
-you could maybe share the details in your reports so you can grade
-the captains and use that in your defence if necessary. Although
-their cards have maybe already been marked I suppose.
-
-michael adams
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-> max.it (the orange cage)
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