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Will Shaver

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Aug 24, 2008, 1:37:41 PM8/24/08
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Several of us have discussed how to improve the documentation for NHibernate, and I think our best bet is the use of some kind of wiki. I currently host on a linux server from dreamhost and have been fairly satisfied with them. In discussion with Fabio, we'd like to host on a windows server so that we can use NH technologies and other windows techs such as
 
 
I also would like to be able to use the newest asp.net mvc techs, which require IIS7 and the latest .net framework. I plan to host both some of my own sites and some stuff for NH. I'm willing to shell out some cash to get this done, but need to know where to go. I'd perfer not much more than $30 a month and am willing to go the shared hosting route if I can get a good one.
 
Some ideas from forums that I've read:
 
Of course, every host has tons of complaints on forums everywhere so it is difficult to determine quality.
 
Your recommendation would be of assistance.
 
 -Will
 
 

Brian Chavez

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Aug 24, 2008, 10:35:25 PM8/24/08
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If you can wait 30 to 60 days for http://www.serverintellect.com to start offering Windows 2008/IIS7, then I'd give my recommendation to SI.  I've used them in the past, and they're very stable with excellent support.  Whatever you do, don't use VPSLand.com their low prices are a trap.

 

YMMV.

 

http://www.serverintellect.com

 

Hello, my name is Bobby Johnson. How can I help you today?

Bobby Johnson: Hello, how can I assist you today?

Brian: Hi, do you have Shared Windows 2008 hosting?

Bobby Johnson: We currently are not providing Shared Windows 2008 hosting, however, we do have plans in the near future for Windows 2008 shared hosting.

Brian: Any idea when or how much it will cost?

Bobby Johnson: We should have this set into place in about 30 to 60 days.

Brian: Can you give an estimate, currently, 2003 is running between 14.95 and 69.95

Bobby Johnson: It should be around the same price as our 2003 hosting.

Brian: Thanks, I'll let my friends know. Have a great week.

Bobby Johnson: You have a great week as well! Thank you!


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Brendan Kowitz

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Aug 25, 2008, 12:01:31 AM8/25/08
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I use both SubText and custom NH 1.2 & 2.0 based apps with www.xhostsolutions.com
The 'xValue' plan comes with a sql2000 db and ISAPI Rewrite for like
$15.

On Aug 25, 3:37 am, "Will Shaver" <will.sha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Several of us have discussed how to improve the documentation for
> NHibernate, and I think our best bet is the use of some kind of wiki. I
> currently host on a linux server from dreamhost and have been fairly
> satisfied with them. In discussion with Fabio, we'd like to host on a
> windows server so that we can use NH technologies and other windows techs
> such as
>
> Cuyahogahttp://www.cuyahoga-project.org/
> SubTexthttp://subtextproject.com/
> Screwturn Wikihttp://www.screwturn.eu/
> Community Serverhttp://communityserver.com/
>
> I also would like to be able to use the newest asp.net mvc techs, which
> require IIS7 and the latest .net framework. I plan to host both some of my
> own sites and some stuff for NH. I'm willing to shell out some cash to get
> this done, but need to know where to go. I'd perfer not much more than $30 a
> month and am willing to go the shared hosting route if I can get a good one.
>
> Some ideas from forums that I've read:http://aspnix.com/hosting/shared-web-hosting/
> *http://www.discountasp.net/*
> **

Ken Egozi

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Aug 25, 2008, 2:50:39 AM8/25/08
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I am exploring www.triple8.net after some good words on them that I've seen on a comment @ Ayende's blog.

Their VPS offer looks promising, with 1GB ram and 60GB HD, for 60usd/mo, and 10 more for external SQL Server

they offer windows 2008, and even sql 2008

Brian Chavez

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Aug 25, 2008, 3:36:47 AM8/25/08
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@Ken, yes, that comment was me regarding Triple8.

 

http://ayende.com/Blog/archive/2008/08/16/VPSLand.com--Support-nightmare.aspx

 

We're currently using 888 for our Hardware VPS production systems.  Every once and a while, the production servers would go down around 1AM PST for some emergency maintenance due to some SAN issue they've had recently.  All seems fine now.  I can't testify about the reliability of the Software VPS (Virutozzo) solutions.

 

If you can tolerate the sometimes-down-at-1AM-but-back-up-in-10mins issues, go with 888, but if you need more solid support response time with possibly better uptime, go with the more expensive server intellect.

 

One word of warning about SI's (or any hosting company) "database" servers though..  Usually, those hosting companies offer hosted "database servers" on their own network with your purchase. It's been my experience that those servers are used by everyone almost every customer, so performance sucks.  Even on SI, there's like 250 customer databases running on one machine, and performance sucks especially during peak times.  So, either get a VPS with enough RAM to run SQL Express or get a separate VPS dedicated to your database.

 

YMMV.

 

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Ken Egozi

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Aug 25, 2008, 3:48:24 AM8/25/08
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If you can tolerate the sometimes-down-at-1AM-but-back-up-in-10mins issues
well I'm now on Reyox, which have vary good prices for shared hosting, but the downtime is bad
after every time they do a restart (that's at least once a month), only static pages gets served, then I have to figure this out for myself, then send them an email, and then they make it work, usually about 2-3 hours from my email.
so, 10 minutes every week will be a major progress to me ...

So, either get a VPS with enough RAM to run SQL Express
888 offer a 1GB ram in the basic VPS offering.
I guess I can setup SQL-Express and limit the page cache to say 500MB so it won't kill w3wp.exe, and will still be usable enough.
sounds reasonable?

Brian Chavez

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Aug 25, 2008, 4:17:39 AM8/25/08
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That sounds good.  We have a VPS running on _hardware_ (not virtuozzo) that has 1GB RAM.  It runs 4 websites all with their own separate database that use SQL Express.  All DBs have somewhat low-to-moderate database chatter.  The VPS can handle it well.  We have not set any page cache limits on SQL and w3p has been fine letting the OS handle those issues.  I think if it became a problem we'd probably start exploring those parameters, but memory hasn't been a problem yet.  Everything has been running great for us, but then again, our applications can deal with the 10 min downtime now and then, and come back online without any problems or any intervention.  Hope that helps.

Ken Egozi

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Aug 25, 2008, 4:29:26 AM8/25/08
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sorry for aking this silly question, but what's VPS running on _hardware_ mean?

Ken Egozi

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Aug 25, 2008, 4:32:45 AM8/25/08
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do you mean virtuozzo containers vs. 'regular' VMs?
from the looks of it, virtuozzo VPSs should work better right? plus the RAM quote is actually better as the kernel won't take up space from there as it's only exists on the host OS?

Brian Chavez

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Aug 25, 2008, 4:55:59 AM8/25/08
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Well, there's different levels of virtualization....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_virtualization

 

When I mean _hardware_, I mean formally, "Full-Virtualization".....  888 uses "Virtual Iron" for their "Full-Virtualization" solutions.  888 also uses "Operating system-level virtualization" via Virtuozzo Containers (or jail) OS templates... as an application developer, you can't tell the difference, nor should you care.....  However, because of the different virtualization strategies, hardware (and software) resources are abstracted differently... meaning, once you start messing around at the device-driver level, the differences between OS-level virtualization and Full-Virtualization become real.

 

For example, suppose you need your application or server to communicate via VPN with other servers in different parts of your internal network.  Installing a "virtual network adapter" for VPN on a Virtuozzo Container won't work even though you have an "isolated" Virtual-Private-Server.  The "virtual device driver" will fail to install, because the OS-level virtualization uses the same OS-Kernel for all guest OSes.....  where-as Full-Virtualization solutions generally don't suffer from this problem because there are different/independent instances of the OS-Kernels running at any given time.

 

PS. Specifically, the VPN issues are resolved as of the latest version of Virtuozzo... but your hosting provider must be running the latest version if Virtuozzo and have it configured correctly.

 

-Brian

Brian Chavez

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Aug 25, 2008, 5:05:19 AM8/25/08
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Yes, I mean containers vs regular VMs.

 

Honestly, I can't testify to the performance difference between Virtual Iron vs. Virtuozzo, so I probably shouldn't go there.  We've only been using their Virtual Iron VMs because our stuff needs access to remote off-network servers via VPN.

 

-Brian

Craig van Nieuwkerk

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Aug 24, 2008, 6:13:11 PM8/24/08
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I am using www.crystaltech.com and it works pretty well. I have screwturn wiki hosted on it. One thing to look for is if you site will run under medium trust, this is a problem I had with many shared host servers. CrystalTech is by default medium trust and requires special begging to get full trust.

Craig
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Ken Egozi

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Aug 25, 2008, 4:13:57 PM8/25/08
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10x for the off topic info
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