[NHibernate-development] NH site
Fabio Maulo
We are thinking to have our own site based on NH with our knowledge base, our wiki, committers and users blog, How to, FAQ and so on.
The fact is that so far .NET peoples don't like so much look&feel + usability of www.hibernate.org
The proposal for our site is: Cuyahoga (it work using NH), SubText, Screwturn Wiki
At the moment it is only an idea and first of all I would like to hear opinions of the team.
If we have a good response we can check the response of the community on nhusers forum.
Waiting opinions....
--
Fabio Maulo
P.S. Before start any kind of work we must solve some no minor problems about the domain name and the host but.... any issue can be fixed in some way, no ?
Steve Wagner
+1 for me!
I dont like the current mix between nhibernate and hibernate on one site
because its often hard to figure out where nhibernate ends and hibernate
begins. And then i think the Hibernate page is not a good example for
clearness and easy webdesign.
I am also suggest to discard the current forum and integrate the user
mailing list as forum as the mono project it did:
http://www.go-mono.com/forums/ .
Then there is only one place for questions and every user can decide
which communication type he prefer.
By, Steve
Fabio Maulo schrieb:
> Hi friends.
>
> We are thinking to have our own site based on NH with our knowledge base,
> our wiki, committers and users blog, How to, FAQ and so on.
> The fact is that so far .NET peoples don't like so much look&feel +
> usability of www.hibernate.org
>
> The proposal for our site is: Cuyahoga (it work using NH), SubText,
> Screwturn Wiki
>
> At the moment it is only an idea and first of all I would like to hear
> opinions of the team.
>
> If we have a good response we can check the response of the community on
> nhusers forum.
>
> Waiting opinions....
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.
> It's the best place to buy or sell services for
> just about anything Open Source.
> http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nhibernate-development mailing list
> Nhibernate-...@lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nhibernate-development
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.
It's the best place to buy or sell services for
just about anything Open Source.
http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php
_______________________________________________
Nhibernate-development mailing list
Nhibernate-...@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nhibernate-development
Martijn Boland
> We are thinking to have our own site based on NH with our knowledge
> base, our wiki, committers and users blog, How to, FAQ and so on.
> The fact is that so far .NET peoples don't like so much look&feel +
What's the current involvement of JBoss with NHibernate? Do they still
support NHibernate? Or do they 'own' something like names or trademarks?
If not, I think it's alright to have our own site.
>
> The proposal for our site is: Cuyahoga (it work using NH), SubText,
> Screwturn Wiki
Wiki user provider @Cuyahoga for single sign-on.
> P.S. Before start any kind of work we must solve some no minor
> problems about the domain name and the host but.... any issue can be
> fixed in some way, no ?
be useful for hosting etc.
Fabio Maulo
I am also suggest to discard the current forum and integrate the user
mailing list as forum as the mono project it did:
http://www.go-mono.com/forums/ .
Then there is only one place for questions and every user can decide
which communication type he prefer.
We are using various Google groups : NHibernate-Hispano, NH-IT, NH-BR, nhusers
NHusers is the actual most active forum
http://groups.google.com.ar/group/nhusers
Fabio Maulo
Kailuo Wang
The only tiny issue is that NH projs still don't have their own documentation, corresponding Hibernate projs documentation is used instead which is offerred on the Hibernate website.
For a lot users, documentation is the first thing they will try to find on the projects website...
Fabio Maulo
What's the current involvement of JBoss with NHibernate?
Do you see any kind of involvement since 1 year and half ?
I don't.
Do they still support NHibernate?
They don't support NH; JBoss is owned by RedHat and you can imagine how much they want hear about something involved with Microsoft technology.
Or do they 'own' something like names or trademarks?
RedHat own www.nhibernate.org and NHibernate trademark. But for us this is not a problem...
We don't ask nothing more that the ability to have our site based on our technology with our knowledge base, our blog and all with our stile.
Obviusly we will have various links to JBoss site, at the end NH is a port of Hibernate.
If not, I think it's alright to have our own site.
And if yes?
This is OpenSource under LGPL license.
I can help setting this up. For example, we already have a Screwturn
Wiki user provider @Cuyahoga for single sign-on.
We will need help from all want to contrib with NH community. It will be the spirit of the site.
Does NHibernate get any funding or sponsoring at the moment? This could
be useful for hosting etc.
At the moment we don't have sponsors more than who give us free license to develop NH (VisualSvn, Resharper, dotTrace, NAntBuilder, OxyGen, JIRA).... and another one: Karl Chu are hosting our JIRA.
--
Fabio Maulo
Fabio Maulo
I like the idea of a separate site for NHibernate.
The only tiny issue is that NH projs still don't have their own documentation, corresponding Hibernate projs documentation is used instead which is offerred on the Hibernate website.
For a lot users, documentation is the first thing they will try to find on the projects website...
BTW hope somebody help us with documentation... at the end we are 19 committers in NH core, no ?
--
Fabio Maulo
Sean Fuhrmann
I have a few IIS servers sitting in datacenter I lease from if we need hosting.
Ayende Rahien
Sean Fuhrmann
Great, just thought I’d offer.
Ayende Rahien
Fabio Maulo
I have a few IIS servers sitting in datacenter I lease from if we need hosting.
Fabio Maulo
Fabio Maulo
I am going to take care of hosting it, so that is not an issue.
--
Fabio Maulo
Sean Fuhrmann
Of course.
From:
nhibernate-deve...@lists.sourceforge.net
[mailto:nhibernate-deve...@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Fabio
Maulo
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:58 AM
To: the NHibernate development list
Subject: Re: [NHibernate-development] NH site
2008/6/20 Sean Fuhrmann <t...@agentimediaservices.com>:
Pierre Henri Kuaté
This is kind of like before NHibernate moved to hibernate.org. We had a separate forum which was better than the current one since we could create sub sections and organize it like we wanted.
Aside that, we have to think of what value there is in moving out? - Blogging? Is anybody interesting in creating/moving his blog to nhibernate.org/blogs/ ? - Documentation (How to, Faq...): Well, I would highly prefer any documentation be inside the official one (in docbook format) since that one can be compiled and released for online access/printing/whatever. Now, I know that it is quite restrictive (since it is docbook), and that's why we have this page: http://www.hibernate.org/365.html Maybe we could ressucitate the wiki that we had a while ago...
By the way, if we decide to create a new forum, it is highly important to export the current one (even if it isn't reorganized) because it contains a lot of information that should stay available (without having to juggle between two websites).
So, overall, I fear that it might be not be worth the effort. But I could be wrong if you have any specific ideas.
Oh, and about JBoss, let's not be unfair: They did pay Sergey to work full time on NHibernate for about a year and it is in that time frame that NHibernate 1.0 was released (which required a lot of clean up, organization and proper documentation). I think that they stopped supporting NHibernate simply because it wasn't profitable enough and too much "out of line" (since they focus on Java). And does RedHat really "owns" anything? We should be able to take back nhibernate.org if we want to...
Pierre Henri.
|
From: Fabio Maulo <fabio...@gmail.com> |
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php |
Fabio Maulo
This is kind of like before NHibernate moved to hibernate.org.
We had a separate forum which was better than the current one since we could create sub sections and organize it like we wanted.
Aside that, we have to think of what value there is in moving out?
- Blogging? Is anybody interesting in creating/moving his blog to nhibernate.org/blogs/ ?
Well... I saw some blog with different matters and a blog talking only about NH (and its around).
http://blogs.hibernatingrhinos.com/nhibernate/Default.aspx
Commiters and users can, if they want, share their articles in the NH blog giving to the community the opportunity to find very interesting things "all in one place". The main difference is that now it is simply not possible.
- Documentation (How to, Faq...):
Well, I would highly prefer any documentation be inside the official one (in docbook format) since that one can be compiled and released for online access/printing/whatever. Now, I know that it is quite restrictive (since it is docbook), and that's why we have this page: http://www.hibernate.org/365.html
Maybe we could ressucitate the wiki that we had a while ago...
Yes that is the idea with a difference... now we have a more big community for two reason:
1) NH is more closer to Hb
2) Microsoft push .NET people to study ORM frameworks
By the way, if we decide to create a new forum, it is highly important to export the current one (even if it isn't reorganized) because it contains a lot of information that should stay available (without having to juggle between two websites).
http://groups.google.com.ar/group/nhusers
So, overall, I fear that it might be not be worth the effort. But I could be wrong if you have any specific ideas.
Oh, and about JBoss, let's not be unfair: They did pay Sergey to work full time on NHibernate for about a year and it is in that time frame that NHibernate 1.0 was released (which required a lot of clean up, organization and proper documentation).
I'm not unfair. I know that JBOSS done a great thing supporting and financing NH for one year and really I appreciate it but... the reality today is another.
Today we don't asking, to JBOSS, nothing more than give us the ability to have our site and do what we need there without any kind of limitation (in practics mean redirection of www.nhibernate.org where we want).
I think that they stopped supporting NHibernate simply because it wasn't profitable enough and too much "out of line" (since they focus on Java).
Ok and support-NH and then not-support-NH was their decision. No problem with it but let us do what we want do for the future of NH.
And does RedHat really "owns" anything? We should be able to take back nhibernate.org if we want to..
Are you sure ?
I hope RedHat give us a definitive answer soon (the first was "Red Hat owns both the NHibernate domain and trademark").
Fabio Maulo
Jokin Cuadrado
accesible mailing-list and groups. The mono solution is to use the
nabble platform to embed the mailing list and groups, inside the mono
website. The equivalent will be to embed the current google groups
page inside http://forum.hibernate.org/viewforum.php?f=25
--
Jokin
Ayende Rahien
Thorsten Busse
* Fabio Maulo <fabio...@gmail.com> [20.06.2008]:
> We are thinking to have our own site based on NH with our knowledge base,
> our wiki, committers and users blog, How to, FAQ and so on.
> The fact is that so far .NET peoples don't like so much look&feel +
> usability of www.hibernate.org
>
> The proposal for our site is: Cuyahoga (it work using NH), SubText,
> Screwturn Wiki
>
> Waiting opinions....
are you determined to use Windows/.NET based software? We are currently
working on a collaboration platform based on well-known OSS tools like
moinmoin (wiki), svn, Bugzilla (bugtracking) and other components as
they are required (blog, forum, mailinglists). We aim to build a system
similar to trac, but with much more powerful components. This esp. holds
true for the bugtracker and wiki. It was one of the main reasons, not
to use trac. We too have a timeline and try to integrate the separate
components as tight as possible (though we will not reach the level of
integration of trac in the near future). The software stack is linux
based to ease hosting and adminsitration. So if linux/unix is a
show-stopper for you, don't read further... :)
We use this system already in various internal .net projects and have
integration of nant/cruise control build events for the project
timelines (the timeline lists project related events similar as trac
does, eg. svn commits, changes in the wiki, in the bug database etc.)
and more. The system (it is named Liaison) is designed to be easily
extended and adjusted for project specific needs.
Liaison is now self-hosting for several months. We plan to make Liaison
public on July (this year :) ) and it'll be of course open source. We
will release demo images for vmware player or VirtualBox as well, so if
this sounds interesting for you, let me know.
Cheers,
- Thorsten
Ayende Rahien
As much as possible, I would like to run on our own stuff, yes.
Fabio Maulo
Like you know our project is based on .NET FW.
The majority of our users develop using Windows based sw.
We would like to have our site based on the technology our community use.
I love OSS : OpenOffice, 7.zip, KeyPass, OpenVPN, Firebird, Inno setup, NUnit, NAnt, TortoiseSVN, WinMerge, FireFox, Thunderbird etc.
But we can't ignore that we are working on a .NET based prj and that our community develop software for windows systems.
BTW really thanks to let us know your new prj.
Thanks.
Fabio Maulo.
Fabio Maulo
We have some news from Christian Bauer of JBoss/RedHat (after 17 days from the first request).
This is the resume of I understand translated in few words:
- RedHat refuses to hand domain to NH project.
- NH community can do what they want but only under "Hibernate umbrella".
- NH can't have a site based on .NET tech + NHibernate.
- If NH community want have his own site the way is fork and rename the project.
I would like to hear the community opinion before take a decision.
Please feel free to leave your opinion here.
Thanks.
Fabio Maulo.
Will Shaver
Fabio Maulo
I ask for opinions that mean that we don't have a decision taken.
--
Fabio Maulo