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Dec 8, 2012, 10:12:34 AM12/8/12

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@Vincent Otuonye, here we go again with these tribalism. I think you are just over reacting because the names of this robbers happened to suggest eastern decent. When Kola wrote "The come to Lagos", everybody comes to Lagos. In fact, I will bet over 99 percent of people residing in Lagos are not descendants of Kosoko, Williams, and Dickson.

The writer is just emphasizing that people come from other states and instead of seeking for honest living through hard work, they turn to criminal activities and what he/she is trying to discuss on these forum is WHY THEY DO IT. What pushes them to it? Is it pressure and money demand from home or is it ...? There is absolutely no reason to turn this conversation into another tribal assault.

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Dec 8, 2012, 10:20:12 AM12/8/12

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Ayo,
You are compounding matters. Is crime exclusive to Lagos? No.
There is general insecurity in Nigeria.
Criminals are everywhere in Nigeria.
So, "they come to Lagos" is a very unfortunate comment.
By writing such, the writer has unwittingly cast an integrity question mark on all Igbo people in Lagos.
Any non-Nigerian reading that comment would easily link people of South-East origin residing in Lagos with criminality.
Don't make matters worse by defending it.
Please and please, we should be careful how we coin matters.
Let's be careful how we describe people.
Emeka
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The writer is just emphasizing that people come from other states and instead of seeking for honest living through hard work, they turn to criminal activities and what he/she is trying to discuss on these forum is WHY THEY DO IT. What pushes them to it? Is it pressure and money demand from home or is it ...? There is absolutely no reason to turn this conversation into another tribal assault.

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Dec 8, 2012, 10:58:55 AM12/8/12

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@ Ayo, see you just made my point.

Even if we agree with you that the writer is emphasizing that people come from other states and instead of seeking for honest living through hard work, they turn to criminal activity, WHY SHOULD THE STATE THEY COME FROM MATTER TO THE WRITER? Especially when we're talking of citizens of the same nation - Nigeria. That is exactly what xenophobia means - fear and dislike of others?

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Vin Otuonye

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Dec 8, 2012, 3:15:01 PM12/8/12

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@Vincent Otuonye

Even in any city in USA, syndicates of criminal activities with members of common racial background are usually referred to by their race and where they come from, e. g. the Mafia (Italians) from New England, Spanish (Cubans) from Miami, Arab from Detroit, Blacks from Philadelphia, Nigerians, Africans, etc. If in fact all the members of pickpockets admitted to be Igbo, then why not ask them where they come from and labeled them as such? We have read many stories about Area boys (Yoruba) and they are normally labeled by that name and where they come from. Hausa are well known for black market for money exchange and we know where they come from and where to trace some counterfeits. Those northerners who are destitute (panhandlers) and so with those from West (Yoruba panhandlers) were picked up; they were asked where they came from, and they were delivered to their states.

Because people of all races and nationalities flock to New York does not mean that the city is confiscated by a particular group or all groups in USA for criminal activities, thinking that there is no definition for nativity. This is from where endless confrontation and acrimony emanate, and if we don’t get rid of the paranoia and sensitive sentiment there may not be a way to nip in the bud all the ills that pervade our cities; be it Abuja, Lagos, Enugu, Port Harcourt, Kano, Jos, etc. The self-aggrandizement of we all own Lagos is not the best sentiment that is badly needed for peaceful co-existence. The vast density of New York still remained in racial neighborhoods and personification of class. Each person and race knows where it is safe to call his/her territory, and anybody can still live anywhere in New York in time of peace!

It is unnecessary to continue laying claim to Lagos in a circumstance that the safety of the city is threatened; and knowing that such taunt can easily touch the raw nerves of those who consider Lagos the only home base they have. The natives of Lagos know themselves, so as well as non-natives who have adopted Lagos as native land, also, know themselves. Each group is distinct in time of brawls and senseless confrontations. For any criminal activity that resembles the crime of these young men, it will always remain as Igbo criminal syndicate, Yoruba criminal syndicate, Hausa criminal syndicate, Ijaw criminal syndicate, etc., and by this term it will never connote the definition for xenophobia.

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Wakilawal

Emeka Madunagu

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Dec 8, 2012, 3:35:13 PM12/8/12

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Wakilawal,
Quite incisive thoughts.
What about the chaps who have "come to Lagos" and done well for themselves and the country?
Must we define ethnic and racial nationalities by criminal profiles?
Can't we simply talk about criminals for who they are? When they engage in criminality, do they stay away from people of the same colour or ethnicity?
The quarrel with the original post was that reference to "they come to Lagos."
There are Lagosians, by whatever means identified, who are criminally inclined. What about them?
In the end, crime is evil and should be condemned, regardless of who the perpetrators are.

Emeka
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Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 20:15:01
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Work?

@Vincent Otuonye

Even in any city in USA, syndicates of criminal activities with members of common racial background are usually referred to by their race and where they come from, e. g. the Mafia (Italians) from New England, Spanish (Cubans) from Miami, Arab from Detroit, Blacks from Philadelphia, Nigerians, Africans, etc. If in fact all the members of pickpockets admitted to be Igbo, then why not ask them where they come from and labeled them as such? We have read many stories about Area boys (Yoruba) and they are normally labeled by that name and where they come from. Hausa are well known for black market for money exchange and we know where they come from and where to trace some counterfeits. Those northerners who are destitute (panhandlers) and so with those from West (Yoruba panhandlers) were picked up; they were asked where they came from, and they were delivered to their states.

Because people of all races and nationalities flock to New York does not mean that the city is confiscated by a particular group or all groups in USA for criminal activities, thinking that there is no definition for nativity. This is from where endless confrontation and acrimony emanate, and if we don't get rid of the paranoia and sensitive sentiment there may not be a way to nip in the bud all the ills that pervade our cities; be it Abuja, Lagos, Enugu, Port Harcourt, Kano, Jos, etc. The self-aggrandizement of we all own Lagos is not the best sentiment that is badly needed for peaceful co-existence. The vast density of New York still remained in racial neighborhoods and personification of class. Each person and race knows where it is safe to call his/her territory, and anybody can still live anywhere in New York in time of peace!

It is unnecessary to continue laying claim to Lagos in a circumstance that the safety of the city is threatened; and knowing that such taunt can easily touch the raw nerves of those who consider Lagos the only home base they have. The natives of Lagos know themselves, so as well as non-natives who have adopted Lagos as native land, also, know themselves. Each group is distinct in time of brawls and senseless confrontations. For any criminal activity that resembles the crime of these young men, it will always remain as Igbo criminal syndicate, Yoruba criminal syndicate, Hausa criminal syndicate, Ijaw criminal syndicate, etc., and by this term it will never connote the definition for xenophobia.

Regards

Wakilawal

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@ Ayo, see you just made my point.

Even if we agree with you that the writer is emphasizing that people come from other states and instead of seeking for honest living through hard work, they turn to criminal activity, WHY SHOULD THE STATE THEY COME FROM MATTER TO THE WRITER? Especially when we're talking of citizens of the same nation - Nigeria. That is exactly what xenophobia means - fear and dislike of others?

Regards,

Vin Otuonye