Maybe Labrador natives should be allowed to hunt caribou?
stan
the present population make-up) have claimed they have a 'traditional'
right going back "thousands of years" to kill caribou.
Maybe they have a point?
But if so, perhaps it should be using only 'traditional' methods of
stalking, hunting and transporting their kills? Those would presumably
be bow and arrow, spear, dog or human sled transport etc. And maybe
then such 'taking' of animals would on a scale more consistent with
their need for food?
Using traditional methods the meat would be butchered and smoke cured/
dried, frozen and/or buried in snow etc. in a traditional manner for
later use. The hides etc to be used for traditional footwear, shelter,
clothing and so on.
However the TV coverage seems to show some rather overweight and
clearly not malnourished people, dressed in modern clothing, wearing
modern footwear using high power (white man's) rifles at considerable
distances to kill animals!
It also shows them loading dead animals into modern pickups with
fiberglass caps, parked at the side of a 21st century road, seemingly
to be taken home to modern homes equipped with freezers etc.?
Anyway the idea of 'traditional methods' comes from a previously noted
legal decision, in either NB or NS IIRC, where a judge ruled that an
aboriginal person DID have a right under previous treaties to cut
certain lumber.
BUT only for immediate personal use and only on a limited scale. NOT
TO engage in a commercial wood/lumber operation using the excuse that
he was allowed to use wood, as an aboriginal person! Guess the judge
didn't order that he NOT use a modern chain-saw, although would not
that have been appropriate?
Further; if any population, human or animal destroys its food supply
it must either change, move or perish? See Darwin; 'Evolution and
survival'.
As another 'factor' perhaps the total monetary value of the caribou
should be assessed by an independent outside agency, and that amount
be deducted from any welfare or other governemnt subsidies paid to the
people/communities involved?
One is tempted to suggest a valuation by some organisation such as the
International Fund For Animal Welfare! But that might once again draw
unnecessary and certainly undesirable attention to this province, no
matter who is doing the actual killing?
Although the current nonsense is most probably getting international
attention anyway. The rest of the world may think that all (or most of
us in this province are just as ignorant, unfeeling and uncaring!
However it really is hard to perceive what objective the perpetrators
have in mind?
Overall perhaps it should be considered that no one can 'have it both
ways'. One either lives in the present or the past? But as humans we
are generally using up the resources of the planet at a high rate.
leafs
I couldn't agree more with you.
Stunning Steve
Security, drug cards, etc.
Otherwise, poaching is poaching. Try doing that in Newfoundland and you'll
be locked away for life. Why is the Law so slow/reluctant to react in
Labrador?
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Marie
they abuse everything they get with our hard earned tax dollars and it is
very easy to see where this country would be today if left to the natives.
My take on it is you either (it's a choice) get your land and your
aboriginal ways and go away or you accept help from the very people you
despise so and move into the 20th century, become productive members of the
human race, and go away. They shouldn't have it both ways - you are either
traditional or modern and once you choose, you choose for your descendants
as well.
And I also think that what they do get, e.g. houses, skidoos, etc., should
come with a provisio that if you destroy it you don't get another.
And as for all this 'apologizing' by governments - that's a total load of
b/s to buy votes and nothing more. What do we have to apologize for? The
world is changing and evolving - what was acceptable 100 years ago is no
longer acceptable and 100 years from now the same will be true.
As for Peter Penashue - put him in jail and make sure the bastard has a
criminal record along with the other criminals. Native peoples have never
been known to abuse the land or it's bounty (and that's what their big cry
is about) - these people are breaking the law and should be subject to the
same punishment as anyone else who breaks the law.
M
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NiteProwler
wrote:
>And let's give up the health care, EI, Social Assistance, CPP, Old Age
>Security, drug cards, etc.
>
>Otherwise, poaching is poaching. Try doing that in Newfoundland and you'll
>be locked away for life. Why is the Law so slow/reluctant to react in
>Labrador?
>
It is not the Law that is slow/reluctant to react in Labrador, it is
our government pussy-footing around, afraid of any consequences that
may come from any interference.
Dave
All these suggestions are way to sensible for government to even look
at.
Stunning Steve
to investigate and/or arrest where otherwise applicable?
Sign me up for a Native Status Card right now. I'm in the mood for some
"poached" salmon!
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photographyguy
the same way as the others. Some believe these "natives" are in the wrong,
or going about things in the wrong way.
and No I am not native.
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Wallace J.McLean
> But if so, perhaps it should be using only 'traditional' methods of
> stalking, hunting and transporting their kills?
I'm trying to remember... the last time I heard a Newfoundlander arguing
for their "right" to fish cod, because "we've been here 500 years",
setting aside the fact that the "500 years" claim is patent nonsense...
were they also willing to go back to the fishing technology of 500 years ago?
Oars and sails, no motors, no GPS, no floater coats.
Darryl Harding
Uncle Mose
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This post is a prime example of why Native peoples of Canada are so
bitter and fed up. I only hope this is not how all of Canada views our
native people and their culture. Sure there are always a few who spoil
it for the many. I have traveled Labrador extensively and worked
amongst the Native peoples of the North and they for the most part are
everyday normal people like ourselves. Why do they have to live like
you or I? Is our way the right way? It is their choice to live off the
land and live their culture. Yes the Government as a responsibility to
these people as this is the same government who brought these people
in off the land and forced them into towns and forced them into
schools where their language and culture was beaten out of them. Where
white-mans Religion was forced down their throats. How would you feel
if your parents were forced to live somewhere else and learn another
culture and another religion because your culture was not good enough
for the educators, the government and religious fanatics?
The white mans history of treatment towards native peoples is
downright disgusting and despicable. Sure they are not above the law
and I don't condone what this group as done in the name of their
culture but to make some of the statements and assumptions you made
about a whole group is borderline racism. Make no wonder the native
people don't trust us. If you could only see the living conditions of
some of these towns and reserves in Canada you would be ashamed of
what you said. We should be known on how we treat the less fortunate
and how we treat people in need wether they be white or any other
color. However I feel many are forgotten especially the natives of
this country.
Dan
Churchill, drain the resevoirs and recover the land that they have lost.
Then the government should stop issuing hunting licenses to people not
native to Labrador and leave the first people of the big land alone. Now
buddy, put that in your racist pipe and smoke it. Also, for the most part,
the metal in most of the equipment they use during their hunt probably came
from the iron ore raped from their land ...
Dan Jeddore
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