###* Reid thinks Adolf Hitler/Anihilation comment is just a joke!!! *###
MacArthur
However, he said Combden made an honest mistake and the words just slipped
out.
"I think he was joking," Reid said. "I mean Jim is an educator . and he got
a little carried away like we all do when we get up there and get into a
rant.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2007/09/21/fuehrer-liberals.html
Local Jewish spokesperson and author Robin McGrath was disturbed that Reid
would so diminish the remarks.
Combden's remarks came the same day that Winston Carter, the Liberal
candidate in Bonavista North, claimed rural Newfoundland is experiencing an
annihilation of its people, culture and existence.
These remarks are coming from two high profile educators/liberals?
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Steve
Williams claimed it to be a joke, or that it just slipped out?
I wonder...
"MacArthur" <MacAr...@Gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ed Hollett
It must be hard keeping track of all the guises.
Perhaps in reference to Steve's comment, you might have included the
comments Dr. McGrath had about the "race" term used by the Premier the
other day - which has gone largely ignored by most people, including
you obviously.
Then again, you wouldn't be accomplishing your partisan purpose if you
actually had to be fair and balanced in your positions.
Steve
To tell you the truth, I hadn't heard the "race" term you mentioned.
Care to provide a link (not to a blog, please), or put it in context for me?
Another thing I'd like to point out is that I've never claimed to be either
fair or balanced.
I am not going to be tricked into being the only one at it.
; )
All I am is a nobody who gets one vote on election day.
Just like you, heh.
"Ed Hollett" <horr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Davvee
>
> All I am is a nobody who gets one vote on election day.
> Just like you, heh.
>
That doesn't make you a nobody Steve. With politicians they'll offer you
anything to get your vote which means you are quite somebody. Nope...you
aren't a nobody with these guys until the day after an election.
Ed Hollett
That's the CBC online story.
The audio is also available on the CBC website at the On the Go
site.
The telly had the same quote but I don`t recall offhand if it is
online or not.
Willi Makit
> Obviously, L*
> To tell you the truth, I hadn't heard the "race" term you mentioned.
> Care to provide a link (not to a blog, please), or put it in context for me?
>
> Another thing I'd like to point out is that I've never claimed to be either
> fair or balanced.
> I am not going to be tricked into being the only one at it.
> ; )
>
> All I am is a nobody who gets one vote on election day.
> Just like you, heh.
>
>
> news:1190399221....@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Wasn't that post supposed to come from the Kirwin sock puppet?
>
> > It must be hard keeping track of all the guises.
>
> > Perhaps in reference to Steve's comment, you might have included the
> > comments Dr. McGrath had about the "race" term used by the Premier the
> > other day - which has gone largely ignored by most people, including
> > you obviously.
>
> > Then again, you wouldn't be accomplishing your partisan purpose if you
>
> - Show quoted text -
CBC source:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2007/09/18/baby-bonus.html
see paragraph 4
Newfoundlanders, while having a unique culture, are not a race.
Eastablishing a unique "race" cannot be done in just 500 years with an
open society and such a diverse gene pool.
Steve
question.
Do you really think the reference to "race" and the reference to "fuehrer"
are within the same general context?
In my dictionary, fuehrer can actually be defined as many things, only one
of which is very well known.
Race also has many definitions, one of which is: "a taxonomic group that is
a division of a species; usually arising as a consequence of geographical
isolation within a species."
Which word sounds worse to you?
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:race&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:F%C3%BChrer&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
"Ed Hollett" <horr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ed Hollett
Combden was driving at but he went over the top.
In the context of a policy supposedly aimed at increasing population
in the province - and given the immigration policy - race is not a
word that would come easily to mind. Nor for that matter is the word
"breed' which is the synomym randy Simms offered up in the Indy
today.
It's just a bizarre word in that context that simply makes no sense.
Since no one has bothered to ask what the Prem meant, we don't know
where his head was.
Carter
> Obviously, L*
> To tell you the truth, I hadn't heard the "race" term you mentioned.
> Care to provide a link (not to a blog, please), or put it in context for me?
>
> Another thing I'd like to point out is that I've never claimed to be either
> fair or balanced.
> I am not going to be tricked into being the only one at it.
> ; )
>
> All I am is a nobody who gets one vote on election day.
> Just like you, heh.
Damn Steve, you sure know how to hurt a guy. Poor Ed.
Carter
Carter
really be very short of political comment to suggest that.
Carter
Carter
notable exceptions, knew very well what he meant. Give it a rest
b'y, yer political partisan slip is showing.
Carter
Davvee
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Ed Hollett
Just for curiosity sake. Please enlighten us.
What race is dying out here?
Carter
mistake by using the word 'race'.
End of discussion.
Carter
Ed Hollett
If the people of Newfoundland (and presumably Labrador) are a race -
as you just said, why was it a mistake for the Premier to say the word
"race"?
You seem to be trying to avoid discussing this for some reason.
Carter
> Sorry, Carter but your logic is lost on me.
>
> If the people of Newfoundland (and presumably Labrador) are a race -
> as you just said,
I never said that.
why was it a mistake for the Premier to say the word
> "race"?
The people of Newfoundland and Labrador are a mixed race group of
people like groups of people in just about any identifiable place
on the planet. To group them all as one 'race' is a mistake. It
is an understandable mistake as it is quite common, but there is
nothing racist about it.
>
> You seem to be trying to avoid discussing this for some reason.
Really? It seems that I am the only one bothering to discuss it
with you.
Carter
>
>
Ed Hollett
I was just struck by the term. You see it just isn't a word that
comes to mind to describe the people of this province, altogether in
all their differences. Apparently it doesn't come to your mind either
but you just interpretted it to mean the people of the province even
though - if i am following you correctly - you don't think the two
things are the same.
And to be perfectly frank this sentence doesn't make any sense: " It
is an understandable mistake as it is quite common..".
If it is common, why is it a mistake?
Is it that common?
Not in my experience. People don't refer to the population of a
province or a country necessarily as a race.
Since your experience is obviously different from mine, perhaps you
could just give some insight into this.
Ed Hollett
point a little more clearly.
You are arguing that the Premier was actually lumping everyone
together in one big pile when in fact there are different groups that
make up the province's population as a whole.
ok. I follow your reasoning but I don't agree.
But what if he wasn't lumping or grouping to use your word?
Carter
> You brought up the idea of racism.
I did because it seemed to me that you, without using the word,
were trying to say that the Premier's comment was as bad as, or
worse than Jim Combden comment which was perceived as racist.
>
> I was just struck by the term. You see it just isn't a word that
> comes to mind to describe the people of this province, altogether in
> all their differences.
What word are you talking about, race or racism.
Apparently it doesn't come to your mind either
> but you just interpretted it to mean the people of the province even
> though - if i am following you correctly - you don't think the two
> things are the same.
Interpreted what to mean the people of the province?
No, race and racism are not the same.
>
> And to be perfectly frank this sentence doesn't make any sense: " It
> is an understandable mistake as it is quite common..".
>
> If it is common, why is it a mistake?
>
> Is it that common?
What I meant is that it is a common mistake.
>
> Not in my experience. People don't refer to the population of a
> province or a country necessarily as a race.
People often do in the context which the Premier was speaking,
i.e., a dying race, instead of a dying people or a dying
population. You see, the term 'a dying race' is a very common,
if often inaccurate, term and seldom has any racist overtones as
does calling Danny Williams, or anybody else, Der fuehrer.
>
> Since your experience is obviously different from mine, perhaps you
> could just give some insight into this.
I just did.
Carter
>
>
Ed Hollett
> > I was just struck by the term. You see it just isn't a word that comes to mind to describe the people of this province, altogether in all their differences.
>
> What word are you talking about, race or racism.
"race"
>
> Apparently it doesn't come to your mind either but you just interpretted it to mean the people of the province even
> > though - if i am following you correctly - you don't think the two things are the same.
>
> Interpreted what to mean the people of the province?
>
> No, race and racism are not the same.
>
Race and the people of the province are not synonymous.
>
> > And to be perfectly frank this sentence doesn't make any sense: " It is an understandable mistake as it is quite common..".
>
> > If it is common, why is it a mistake?
>
> > Is it that common?
>
> What I meant is that it is a common mistake.
Without really tying up in knots, I really don't find it a common
"mistake", like some people say the Island to be a synonym for the
province.
Saying race when referring to the population as a whole just isn't in
the same league. in fact, as i said, in my own experience, I have
seldom if ever seen or heard the word race used except in comments
from almost a century ago when those sorts of terms were commonplace.
Then it wasn't a mistake; it was very deliberate.
>
>
> > Not in my experience. People don't refer to the population of a province or a country necessarily as a race.
>
> People often do in the context which the Premier was speaking, i.e., a dying race, instead of a dying people or a dying
> population. You see, the term 'a dying race' is a very common, if often inaccurate, term and seldom has any racist overtones as does calling Danny Williams, or anybody else, Der fuehrer.
>
Well, on the fuehrer comment, in the context it was pretty clear it
was referring to dictatorial tendencies. And you know there have been
several similar references over the years about Williams and others.
jack harris and done it as well to refer to dictatorial tendencies.
hell, some idiot actually stared at Henry Morgentaler 20 years ago
here and called him "Hitler" without thinking for a moment of the
sheer stupidity of the remark.
Frankly i wish people would stop tossing around these references
cavalierly like the people who talk of a cultural genocide being
perpetrated by some entity against the province. The terms carry
weight and cannot be lightly used or easily dismissed when they are
used.
But again, I seldom have come across the phrase dying race in this
context. Of course, the fact is that the 'race' as you have described
it (if i am following correctly), i.e. the population of the province,
is not dying at all. The population can and will grow with economic
development. Again, the cash bonus system, the so-called pronatal
policies seem to come from specific places that have specific ethnic
interests they are seeking to push: Quebec in 1998; Russia more
recently. It isn't just about population.
Carter
> Actually, carter, on re-reading your comments I think i get tyour
> point a little more clearly.
>
> You are arguing that the Premier was actually lumping everyone
> together in one big pile when in fact there are different groups that
> make up the province's population as a whole.
>
> ok. I follow your reasoning but I don't agree.
I'm glad you see my point.
>
> But what if he wasn't lumping or grouping to use your word?
I'm not going there because I see no reason to. Show me a racist
statement by the Premier and I will certainly give you an opinion.
Carter