Would Steve be lying to the public again?
leafs
seems to have a fetish for increased military spending, Harper has
already been off by $10 billion, and who knows how much more?
I was afraid these neo-cons would take after their cousins in the
United States and spend the country into a defecit again, and this is
one more way to do it.
Davvee
flirting with the idea of running a small deficit this year. It seems that
the national party is ok with the idea, but aren't sure how to sell it to
the public.
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Carter
> It sure looks like it. To try and appease the Conservative base that
> seems to have a fetish for increased military spending, Harper has
> already been off by $10 billion, and who knows how much more?
<Left wing looney nonsense snipped>
Did you notice something about that news article? None of the
critics, who are falling over themselves to criticize the
government on this issue, can themselves say how much it will
cost to refurbish our military.
Carter
Reid
> leafs wrote:
> > It sure looks like it. To try and appease the Conservative base that
> > seems to have a fetish for increased military spending, Harper has
> > already been off by $10 billion, and who knows how much more?
>
> <Left wing looney nonsense snipped>
>
>
> Did you notice something about that news article? None of the
> critics, who are falling over themselves to criticize the
> government on this issue, can themselves say how much it will
> cost to refurbish our military.
>
> Carter
Well Carter, I guess we can expect a full plan of action for
everything you criticize in the future (please include dollar
estimates where appropriate). Their critics - get with it.
cloudreamer
> According to this weeks MacLeans, the federal conservatives (Flarerty) are
> flirting with the idea of running a small deficit this year. It seems that
> the national party is ok with the idea, but aren't sure how to sell it to
> the public.
Considering they've blown the surplus the Liberals spent years putting
together for a rainy day, he's gonna have a hard time selling anything
to the public. They have a history, going back to their campaign, of
flubbing numbers.
Zero credibility.
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Carter
Well Reid, as you've likely noticed, I criticize very little
without offering some alternatives. I would never go on record
as saying that a government plan will cost more than estimated,
as the Liberals and the NDP are doing in this case, unless I was
able to provide a more accurate estimate.
I think the critics of this much needed and too long delayed plan
need to get on with it, instead of criticizing for criticism's sake.
Carter
leafs
I think the most important thing is the fact that the PM doesn't even
know how much this will cost. Is this responsible economic management?
Hardly.
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leafs
> Davvee wrote:
> > According to this weeks MacLeans, the federal conservatives (Flarerty) are
> > flirting with the idea of running a small deficit this year. It seems that
> > the national party is ok with the idea, but aren't sure how to sell it to
> > the public.
>
> Considering they've blown the surplus the Liberals spent years putting
> together for a rainy day, he's gonna have a hard time selling anything
> to the public. They have a history, going back to their campaign, of
> flubbing numbers.
>
> Zero credibility.
The Conservatives have a history of blowing money and racking up
deficits and debts. That's the Conservative way, cut the money coming
in through taxes and spend like a drunken sailor.
The million(or is that $30Bn) dollar question is with all the
increase in spending by this neo-conservative government, has it made
even the smallest positive impact on the lives of Canadians?
cloudreamer
Yeah...the GST cut certainly hasn't had much impact. They reduced it,
prices remained the same and businesses have pocketed the difference
(Marketplace did a great blurb on this...IIRC...finding that Timmy's was
the only spot that left its prices the same and gave back the extra two
cents). It was a great campaign ploy that in the end, meant little to
consumers.
Carter
Actually the most important thing is that he is not the economic
manager of this plan, DND is and it's minister is well aware of
the cost estimate. In fact he publicly made the PM aware during
the media scrum.
Carter
leafs
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As the boss of the minister of the DND, Harper is still the boss. The
number that Mackay gave to Harper during the scrum has been
contradicted by officials within the department, some estimating it
could cost as much as $80bn. Maybe they should have all the facts
straight before they go pissing away so much money.
leafs
It meant absolutely nothing. It's funny, the Cons reject helpful
social programs such as childcare or national prescription drug
policy, and claim such programs are a waste of money. I ask the
question, what exactly is the GST cut and billions going to military
contractors, if it is not a waste of money?
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Carter
> It meant absolutely nothing. It's funny, the Cons reject helpful
> social programs such as childcare or national prescription drug
> policy, and claim such programs are a waste of money.
No such claim has ever been made.
I ask the
> question, what exactly is the GST cut and billions going to military
> contractors, if it is not a waste of money?
I suppose it depends on which side of the political and social
fence you live. Personally I don't see the GST cut as a waste of
money, how could it be? I have no doubt that there is waste in
some military contracts, just as there is in all other government
contracts, but not in the way you envision waste.
The waste in the military occurred mainly under Liberal
governments when the military was ignored and allowed to rust
out. Had equipment and infrastructure been replaced during that
time it would not have cost the taxpayer near as much as it will
cost now.
Speaking of waste, when the Chretien government came to power it
spent five billion dollars to cancel the EH 101 military
helicopter project. Forget the money and ask yourself how many
lives that cost.
Carter
Carter
If you think the boss is a position to know all of the details of
everything you have a rude awakening coming.
The
> number that Mackay gave to Harper during the scrum has been
> contradicted by officials within the department, some estimating it
> could cost as much as $80bn.
At least they put a figure on it. The Liberals and the NDP
didn't, they only criticized.
Maybe they should have all the facts
> straight before they go pissing away so much money.
What are the 'facts'?
Carter
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While I agree with your premise in this thread; JC's cancellation cost a
mere $500,000,000.00.
Not to mention the cost of maintaining the Sea King these past 15 years (~2
hours of maintenance for 1 hour of flight), and now some spare parts have to
be manufactured as they can no longer be procured.
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Carter
Whoops! My bad, I read too many zeros. Either way you cut it,
it was a huge amount of money spent for nothing.
>
> Not to mention the cost of maintaining the Sea King these past 15 years
> (~2 hours of maintenance for 1 hour of flight), and now some spare parts
> have to be manufactured as they can no longer be procured.
I have no doubt the whole Liberal fiasco will eventually cost
five billion. We are still without a replacement for the Sea King.
Carter
>
Davvee
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