RNC Officer Guilty of Impaired Driving
LBJ
level). Someone tried to cover this up . Name did not appear on Court Docket
as is the usual practice & accused did not appear in court( As reported by
newspeople) Thank God there is new coverage of court cases. If not, this
person's name would be kept secret. This individual should be kicked of the
Police force. Who wants such an individual drunk on the public streets. He
is paid to uphold the law (Any person who takes an Oath to enforce the law &
is found in such an intoxicated state does not deserve to wear a Law badge).
Is this the first time he has been drinking on the job ????? I guess he
wasn't to well liked by some of the other members or if he had not damaged
another person's vehicle , would it have come to justice ????
Food for thought.
Jae Bee
driving under the influence. Should this player be kicked off the team...he
is in an influential position to millions of kids. Or take somoene during
Christmas driving home after a work Christmas party and they were under the
influence. Should they be fired from work?
I would see your point IF this officer was impaired while working. I do not
agree with what he did BUT I do think that his personal life should remain
his personal life.
I know this is a pretty contraversial subject so this is just my opinion !!
LBJ
not issue tickets for speeding , jaywalking etc & then act contrary to his
oath of
performing his Law-Abiding duties.
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Alan
fired if the are caught; smoking in public place, drinking a beer in his
back yard (and yes that IS illegal (you are in public view), speeding,
littering etc etc etc...
However, there are double standards everywhere. I someone kills a person
they will get "x" punishment. If they were to kill a cop then they would get
"10 X" punishment. Hell if they would kill a moose with out a liscence will
that appears to be the worst ever....
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Charlie Bishop
there job because they driving under the influence? whatever he does on his
own time is his buisness.. so he broke the law... hes been punished. why
ruin his life?
- Charlie
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Fred Zillman
JOB... try reading the post before you respond...and they carry firearms as
well... this is a different situation.. If the football player was drunk
while playing football then he probably would be kicked off... the team...
Fred
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Rodney Priddle
Stupid behaviour for anyone, especially from a police officer. But this
person was not on the job.
No cover up either, if you do not want your name on a docket, go to court
and plead guilty before your assigned court date. Anyone can do it.
RGP
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Fred Zillman
breathalyser was because he was in an accident with a police car...
Maybe I am think about another situation.... I'm confused now... can anyone
shed light on this situation...
Fred
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officer who is on OR off duty waves a loaded gun around at the public, he
should be fired. Operating a vehicle (police cruiser or not) under the
influence is just as deadly. It also shows very poor judgement and ethics,
this guy could very well be the next cop to shoot someone waving a fork or
steak knife the wrong way.
Will he continue working? How does a police officer with a suspended
license continue his job?
Chad Worthman
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RNC officer pleads guilty to impaired driving 1/6/01
By MOIRA BAIRD, The Telegram
A Royal Newfoundland Constabulary officer pleaded guilty in provincial court
early Friday morning to one count of impaired driving.
He was driving an unmarked RNC van Dec. 7 with a blood alcohol level of
0.13, according to the results of a breathalyser.
Const. Alistair Bruce Mesh, 35, of Manuels received a 12-month suspension of
his licence and was fined $900, plus a victim surcharge of $90.
Police would not say if the constable was on duty at the time of the
offence, because an internal RNC investigation is not yet complete.
"Now that that has been dealt with in provincial court, the internal
investigation continues and it's to determine exactly those questions -how
and why he had that vehicle at that time, and all of those things," said
Sgt. Bob Garland, spokesman for the RNC.
He says it will not be a "long and dragged out" investigation, and Mesh has
not been suspended.
Shortly after 2 a.m. on the morning of Dec. 7, Mesh was observed driving an
RNC van on Duckworth Street. As he backed up, he struck a parked pickup and
caused minor damage to it.
Smelled alcohol on breath
He was arrested by two RNC patrol officers, one of whom smelled alcohol on
Mesh's breath and also observed his eyes were bloodshot and his speech
slurred.
At 2:30 a.m. he was brought to RNC headquarters, agreed to be given a
breathalyser, which was done at 3:36 a.m., and was released just after 4
a.m.
Both Crown and defence lawyers recommended an impaired driving fine "in the
normal range" of $500 to $1,000.
Judge Robert Hyslop said Mesh did not qualify for a minimum fine, though he
noted the officer did "plead guilty quickly and I should acknowledge that.
"Whatever way you look at it, there was an accident . the readings were not
at the bottom of the scale," said Hyslop, noting a Supreme Court of Canada
ruling that said drivers at the 130- to 140-millilitre blood alcohol range
are "often most dangerous."
It was Mesh's first offence, and he did not appear in court. His name also
did not appear on the daily court docket schedule, as is the usual practice
for cases before the court.
That docket is publicly posted outside the courtroom.
Mesh was originally scheduled to appear in court Jan. 19.
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Alan
a coldie...
Actually to take it one step further...... Imagine you are having a cold
beer while washing you car in your driveway. You got the keys in the
ignition so you can olay some tunes. There you can be charged with a law
called care and control (I think), which is just one small step down from
drinking and driving.
One time at work the RCMP came in to give a FAQ on D and D. These were some
of the points that came up.
freaky eh.
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Thomas Clancy
<pla...@roadrunner.nf.net> was overheard to say:
>What law does drinking a beer in your own backyard break?
The same one as drinking on the road, technically, I think. I do
believe the ancient law (not sure if it's been removed yet from the
books) says that you are only to consume alcohol in the kitchen or
some sorts.
Backyard/front step no difference. Backyard is generally left alone
because it seems a little more private. You can't run around naked in
your backyard, knowing that it's possible for others to see you. =)
Ditto for Drinking and Driving. If you have the keys in your pocket
(or in the vehicle), and take a nap after a few beer in the rear seat
you can be charged.
Best ask Rod Priddle, he can get you the ins and outs of it all =)
Regards,
Thomas
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perform the breathalyzer ?
Cheers,
Darren
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Serge
Pat Janes
<dne...@mun.ca> wrote:
> I read that too .... and wonder if it is typical to wait over an hour to
> perform the breathalyzer ?
I guess what you're wondering is was the officer given some time to
sober up before the test was administered in the hope that he might
pass.
Not every police officer is a breathalyzer technician. When the police
apprehend someone they suspect is over the limit they often have to
call a technician at home (waking them up if it's in the middle of the
night as it was in this case) and wait for them to get to RNC HQ to
administer the test.
An hour or more is common. The delay undoubtedly works in the favour of
those who might have blown just over the limit if the test were
administered immediately.
Paul Lahey
and you didnt asnswer my question.
Alan
<snip>
You cant run around there naked, because you are in public. Same thing with
a coldie...
<snip>
The law is drinking in public.
Sorry I thought that was obvious
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Paul Lahey
that's an assumption..
you said drinking beer in your backward was illegal, I was asking what law does
that break ? where do you find such an interpretation and off what law
Chico
named, in fairness to those civvies that get named (lose jobs etc;), but I
must disagree (that's too mild a word) with LBJ about having having ppl
"kicked off" anything for being human.
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Cheers,
Darren
"Pat Janes" <pjanes@-removethis-newcomm.net> wrote in message
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Philip Johnson
> there job because they driving under the influence? whatever he does on
his
> own time is his buisness.. so he broke the law... hes been punished. why
> ruin his life?
Umm, Charlie, his JOB is to uphold the law. If he doesn't even follow these
laws himself, then there's a problem. :)
Philip Johnson (p...@roadrunner.nf.net.nospam) - remove the .nospam
Thomas Clancy
<pjanes@-removethis-newcomm.net> was overheard to say:
>An hour or more is common. The delay undoubtedly works in the favour of
>those who might have blown just over the limit if the test were
>administered immediately.
That's completely untrue. It does not necessarily work in favour of
those "just over the limit". In a hour or two (presuming more of the
alcohol is in your belly) it will be dumped into your bloodstream
making it more likely that you'll be "well" over the limit by them.
For someone that's just slurped down a few (or had one for the road
[pardon the expression]) they're going to be legally imparied IF they
wait, and might very well have been "sober" right now. However,
anyone coming down from their buzz might just benefit from the "wait".
Gabby
on your front porch, if said porch is open or only screened in, is illegal;
if it's glassed in it's ok. That old "drinking in public" thing again.
Gabby
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Kimberly
"> > "Jae Bee" <nf_ja...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:937gmf$6g4$1...@nova.thezone.net...
> > > People make mistakes. Take another example...take a sports players
that
> > was
> > > driving under the influence. Should this player be kicked off the
> > team...he
> > > is in an influential position to millions of kids.
as for influential.. we have let them become influential to our children...
or better yet, requested that they become a good influence... when in
reality, they play great sports and that's all they should be expected to
do.
imho
Kimberly
Kimberly
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RG Priddle
BEFORE your trial date, and your name will not appear. Works for everyone.
The person charged, was not working at the time, and was driving a Gov't
owned utility van. It is used to lug around shovels, etc for fire
investigations. Not a radar equipped unmarked police car like the media,
and even some RNC people, like to make it sound.
The Premier drives a gov't owned vehicle too, he uses it when he is "not on
duty", just like the RNC officer charged. He uses this vehicle all the
time, and is on call quite often.
Fired? There is an argument, pro and con. police are human, ask my wife
and neighbours! It is only a job.
The way you look at this fairly is: If a person who also works for the
province, with similar responsibility, similar education, and similar salary
were to be charged with impaired driving, would they lose their livelihood?
This has been thrown through courts before, and they have concluded that
losing their job is a punishment that does not fit the crime. But the
police officer will be suspended without pay for a period of time, plus
driving privileges, and fine, not to mention the embarrassment associated
with this.
I agree, police are in a different position. But, it is not a privileged
position, Like some people like to think. Pay sucks, and if you fick up at
all, there are a million idiots wanting your head on a platter. If police
were high paid, you can expect more. Like judges, they have a tough job to
do, and they are paid to do it! Police have a tough job, and they don't get
paid near enough to be so scrutinized by the public, the courts, and their
own department. New York had problems, they fixed them with a pay hike.
I know a person who works full time with Air Cadets and makes approx $15
000.00 more than an RNC officer.
Now, I am not saying what this guy did is right, or he did it because of
pay. But in the past, in other organizations,.the experience has been that
low morale and pay, brings out social problems like alcoholism, depression,
suicide, and generally poor work performance. Happens to all people in all
walks of life. Drinking and driving is stupid, we are all equal under the
law and we should all expect to be treated fairly, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO TO
BUY FOOD FOR YOUR FAMILY!
Police officer who commit these crimes have a problem, so do any one else
who commit the same crimes.
If police are to punished more severely than most other people, than the
tolerance of their illegal behaviour should be relaxed to make up for the
excess punishments.
Until we have Robo Cop, and we have humans acting as police, expect these
things to happen.
2 cents of rambling.
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offence, because an internal RNC investigation is not yet complete."
So he may have been on duty, which means he had access to his firearm. I
don't know about you, but if the cops are shooting people when they are
sober, I can only imagine what would happen if they were drunk !!
Debbie Rothman
whole thread and the issue, not the individual who happened to be last.
I don't think "driving drunk" is "being human." Maybe littering or
jaywalking is (though I personally don't do either and try to discourage others
as well), but driving drunk is criminal negligence, no matter who does it. A
vehicle driven by a drunk is as dangerous as a loaded gun pointed at passersby.
And police officers, who come into contact on a daily basis with the results
of this behavior, like doctors and other hospital workers, are particularly
sick if they think that somehow it is all right when they do it. Also, as was
pointed out, cops carry both badges and firearms 24/7, and are both permitted
and encouraged to intervene in situations that may occur when they are off
duty.
I am a teacher. I believe (and the law supports my view) that my private
life is not the business of the government nor of the school system. Certainly
this is true as long as no law is violated; I can choose my lifestyle and
activities. But the Board of Education has a requirement that teachers must
report any arrests and the outcome of the cases. Being found guilty of a
misdemeanor is not automatic grounds for dismissal, but it is if the crime is
one which reflects on the person's ability or fitness to teach. Child abuse of
any sort, for example, whether in one's own family or outside, would disqualify
or dismiss, as would any crime of bias. I would similarly assume that a bank
employee found guilty of any sort of theft, even if not at a bank or at his/her
bank, would be dismissed, that a veterinarian or veterinary assistant guilty of
cruelty to animals would be dismissed, and so on. The same is true of a police
officer whose conduct shows disregard for law or for the rights and safety of
fellow citizens.
New York has not solved its police problem through salary increases nor in
any other manner. The essential police problem I see is that many officers
regard themselves as above the law. The law is what they enforce, not what
they obey. I have seen police cars, when there is no emergency at all, park in
the middle of streets so as to block traffic merely so officers can go and get
a cup of coffee and a snack. Yes, police are exempted from parking
regulations, for good reason -- but it is a misuse of that exemption to use it
for personal convenience, just as it is to use the siren when one is merely in
a hurry to get off duty and home.
Debbie Rothman
Brooklyn, NY
RG Priddle
their officers a raise and approx 90% of their problems went away. Now, I
know that the RNC doesn't have a corruption problem. It was just a note to
what might happen when problems go unchecked in police departments.(or
anywhere else for that matter)
I agree, that drinking and driving is serious. I am totally against it. I
am totally embarrassed by the behaviour of this officer as well, it reflects
bad on the department, and ultimately on me.
In Canada police DO NOT carry guns 24/7, it actually would be a criminal
offence to carry a prohibited weapon off duty without special permission and
a good reason. In fact, now, in Canada you need to have every gun
registered and you need a possession license. This new law is about a week
old now! (includes 22 target rifles, and even air guns that have a certain
amount of power!)
(Got no worry about George W following that path, lol)
There are arguments for dismissal against people who find themselves in this
mess, I am on the fence. I can convince myself of either. However, the
deciding factor for me, is I believe, all people should be treated equal.
Alcoholism, is a social problem, and is accepted by medicine to be an
affliction in some cases. It can be dealt with. If you start getting into
trouble because of drinking, you have a problem. (Missing work, fighting,
committing crimes)
I think if this person were to be charged again, they should be booted.
Not, for one time. If the person's life becomes better because they have
stopped drinking, and you can see a difference, then I believe it is a good
thing that something like this happened and that no one was hurt..
Theft and fraud, are very dishonest crimes, and it shows that you are more
calculated in your criminal behaviour. I consider these things a breach of
trust. Employers do have a different outlook on these offences. There have
been police charged with these types of things in the past, they are
dismissed.
Strangely enough, society, doesn't view impaired driving in the same light.
If you knew a buddy of yours drove home from the bar last night, and you
knew they were drinking, but nothing out of the ordinary happened, you may
be disgusted with them, or you may not.
This is just my observation.
If your friend was charged with theft, and fraud, you probably wouldn't let
them alone in your house again!
FYI, Debbie, In Canada, we do not have misdemeanours, all crimes, are that,
crimes.
Point is, if you drink and then drive, you are being an idiot. But, because
you did, you shouldn't necessarily hang. Make the punishment fit the crime.
RGP
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Thomas Clancy
<Har...@Tidaldesign.com> was overheard to say:
>So he may have been on duty, which means he had access to his firearm. I
>don't know about you, but if the cops are shooting people when they are
>sober, I can only imagine what would happen if they were drunk !!
That, in the many many years I've been on the net, has to be the
absolute most pathetic troll I've ever seen. Geez. Use your
imagination.
Thomas Clancy
overheard to say:
> I've read through this entire thread. This posting is addressed to the
>whole thread and the issue, not the individual who happened to be last.
>
> I don't think "driving drunk" is "being human." Maybe littering or
>jaywalking is
Jaywalking can also cause an accident/death/mishap. Neither is
"human". I don't think there are many cases of jaywalking or drunk
driving reported in the the village that is located at the centre of
the amazon jungle =')
>but driving drunk is criminal negligence, no matter who does it. A
Jaywalking is being negligent, too - and in that case, you're sober
(we hope) and is in a better postion to make a judgement. Of course,
one might argue that they're not driving.. true.. true.. but you are
"aiming/directing" the vehicles "around" you. Both can lead to a
nasty outcome. =')
Just being facitious, of course. Since we are talking about "being
human", and what it means. To me, the phrase simple means "we screw
up".
RAT
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Rodney Priddle
That's why no one is ever charged for doing it!
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