The new "safe" pressure treated wood - Information
Organic-Gal
pressure treated lumber as most people should be aware by now that
Chromium, Copper arsenic pesticides are extremely toxic and leach into
the ground soil and water from decks built with this material.
A neighbor told me that his deck was made with the new "safe" pressure
treated lumber he had purchased here locally. So I decided to
investigate myself as this sounded like a great alternative. It is
worth a trip to the stores to see exactly what they are selling. After
speaking with a well known local building supplier, they assured me
that they are only selling a "completely natural" pressure treated
lumber "safe enough to eat" the guy tells me. I asked him for the MSDS
and he was stumped, he went to ask someone else and they asked what's a
MSDS? I told them a Material Safety Data Sheet. They told me that this
stuff is so safe that there is no MSDS. I then knew that he was not
very informed about the products that they sell as all consumer
products come with a MSDS. I then asked for the brand or company that
manufactures this lumber. They told me they get it from 2 companies
Stella-Jones and Goodfellow. Upon a quick Internet search, I found that
- sure enough both companies sell CCA and Good fellow also has the
"natural choice" treated lumber, both with available MSDS sheets.
I look at the MSDS for the so-called "safe" pressure treated lumber,
ACQ instead of CCA,
http://www.ufpinc.com/literature/acqmsds-200.pdf and SURE AS HECK I
would feed this toxic soup to my family for supper!
Some facts on ACQ lumber:
-Alkaline copper quaternary (ACQ) copper azole, copper citrate,
monoethanolamine and formaldehyde are some of the ingredients in ACQ .
These preservatives are made up of copper, a fungicide, and quaternary
ammonium compound (quat), an insecticide which also augments the
fungicidal treatment. Since it contains high levels of copper,
ACQ-treated lumber is five times more corrosive to common steel,
according to American Wood Preservers Association (AWPA) test results.
It is necessary to use double-galvanized or SS fasteners in ACQ lumber
because of its highly corrosive effect.
-The purpose of both ACQ and CCA woods are only for termite control and
not for rot as believed (check the MSDS) this is just a waste of money
here in Newfoundland as we do not have termites. People are poisoning
their families and wasting their money for nothing.
http://www.ufpi.com/literature/acqmsds-200.pdf
-This wood is combustible, wood dust may form explosive mixtures with
air in the presence of a spark from power tools.
-The accidental or purposeful burning of ACQ will result in irritating
toxic fumes and gasses, including organic chloride, aldehydes, amines,
hydrogen chloride, ammonia, oxides of carbon and toxic dioxins.
-Wood dust from ACQ can cause irritation to eyes, skin and respiratory
tract. It is an offense to not follow safety guidelines on an MSDS, not
to mention pure stupidity as these regulations are put into place to
provide minimal protection for the consumer. You MUST wear puncture
resistant gloves, safety glasses with side shields or a face shield and
avoid breathing dust while working with this product a dust mask must
be worn and a respirator is required when working with high amounts of
dust. This products should only be cut, grind or sanded outdoors or in
a well ventilated area. Do not eat drink or smoke while handling this
product.
-The chemicals in ACQ contain insecticides and fungicides, which when
released into the environment can cause adverse effects, contaminate
and destroy plants, they can be very harmful or fatal to wildlife.
-Less than a small fraction of a gram of some of the chemicals in this
wood can kill a small mammal.
IF the local stores are even selling the ACQ lumber (as upon
inspection, the store had indeed sold my neighbor CCA as it stated this
on a tiny label on the end of the lumber - now remember, they were
told this was not CCA and was safe enough to eat) although maybe in
some ways it could be safer as it does not contain arsenic, it is still
extremely toxic and surely not "safe enough to eat".
Please do not take the word of these uninformed sales people - Do the
research yourself before purchasing potentially dangerous products.
In my opinion, stick with good old spruce, there is a truly safe
natural wood treatment available locally called "lifetime wood
treatment", http://www.valhalco.com/ it comes in powder form to be
mixed with water and painted or sprayed on the lumber to preserve it
safely and requiring only 1 application in a lifetime. This product is
quite cost efficient and much safer for people, pets and the
environment. Another alternative is to use untreated larch (which truly
contains its own NATURAL preservative), cedar or plastic (PE) composite
lumber. And remember we don't have termites.
Webwasp
looking deck, I can't wait tot lick it.
Better a little cancer than a rotted sill! And what of the carpenter ant, he
is Newfoundland's termite even though he doesn't consume just excavates a
nest.
"Organic-Gal" <xploreo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Organic-Gal
- or heaven forbid, have a baby crawl on it. It is only effective fot
termites - read the MSDS and what I have wrote. You don't have to lick
it for it to be toxic - bare skin absorbs toxins very fast - especially
the feet. Dogs and cats may lick it, Are the alternatives a problem
for you?
Webwasp
mis-conscrewingthe data to suit your needs. First of all I was a manager
and horticulturist for a natural gardening company and we used chemicals as
last resort only so I carried a pesticide license for horticulture for over
10 years.. and before we used these products we would research the product
and weigh the advantages to risk. And many of these products cause less
problems then the backing of carpets, industrial glues and many other common
construction materials. An appropriate mask when cutting and a good removal
of all waste material will eliminate the worst problems and a single coat of
a membrane seal forming paint will trap the gaseous exchange and greatly
lesson the leaching of water or oil based chemicals in the product to the
surface. I agree that in certain circumstances (play equipment, areas that
process food or water, areas likely to have unsupervised children) these
products should be passed over in favour of cedars and other none leaching
durable products. But in the case of a sill or areas of the home that have
near soil contact, fuck the pansies and the killifishes! Sill plates should
always be pressure treated!
and do not tout the nature way to me! I gave up my drivers license over 19
years ago as a form of protest to the single greatest polluter in the free
world, the car. How about you, miss self righteous? You still polluting the
world in your hippie VW bus or what? and concerning the lifetime product,
WHAT IS IT? At least the other product tells you what it is, unlike
http://www.valhalco.com/ products which only claims to be "all natural" so
is a uranium and I wouldn't want to suck on that!.
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Jerry
tree-huggin, hairy-under-armed, sign-totin', Suzuki wanna-be! As for
MSDS's.... Ivory Soap has a MSDS and that's 99 and 44/100ths percent
pure........so there.
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©.®T
some way related to hurting our environment. So please, dont preach, I could
care less about pressure treated wood on decks, and if you dont want your
skin next to pressure treated wood, wal-mart has socks and mittens on sale
for both you and your loved ones. Now go type on your computer which is made
from nothing but hemp plastic, and go walk through your solar powered home,
or whatever you hairy underarmed activists live in, but please dont spread
the word of the environmental gods until you have proven to me that you
completely live off mother earth, you dont drive a polution creating
vehicle, you dont wear or use anything produced in a factory, and that you
live in a mud hut with a straw roof, and your kids eat worms picked early
each morning by your big foot husband from your all natural food producing
garden. Until then, keep eating your fast food wrapped in tinfoil, keep
burniin fossil fuels, and dont stop using hair spray for me.
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DaveHX
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Organic-Gal
yiou too that I do things to hurt the environment - There is no way
around it - But you can try to use the least toxic products.
And as for what Webwasp said, I have built several homes without the
use of pressure treated wood. The ACQ is highly corrosive but you
think it is a fine choice for a sill plate? Are you not concerned it
may rot the anchor bolts. People have built homes for years without
the use of treated lumber. The houses built 50 or 100 years ago will
last (and have lasted) much longer than the crap people are building
today. The ingredients are listed in the lifetime wood treatment -
Have another look at their MSDS.
It is understandable that a pesticide applicator who makes comments
such as "Better a little cancer than a rotted sill!" would have a reson
to find it difficult to understand what damage these chemicals can
actually do.
Anyway, I posted to offer the information to the public so that they
can make an informed choice when buying products - Especially when the
sales people are claiming "safe enough to eat". You buy what you like,
but I don't understant why you would choose to pay more for a product
that could harm your family - And this product is only suitable for
termites - I have seen Pressure treated wood with cracks and rot - so
you are not protected from that. even the manufactures states its is
used for termite control - nothing else.
Jerry
opportunity to get up on your environmentalist soap-box and berate yet
another of your interpretational transgressions toward mother nature. You
also made cheap shots of righteous indignation toward a store clerk who made
a mistake in not knowing what a MSDS was. So you took a piss-ass whmis
course, congrats. Now get over yourself. You don't like what your neighbor
used for a deck, don't visit, he'll probably enjoy the quiet.
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Organic-Gal
anything in this environment? You are the one making cheap shots and
assumptions about somone and something that you know nothing about
although I will give you credit for one thing I enjoy the compliments.
"ya soap-boxin, tree-huggin, hairy-under-armed, sign-totin', Suzuki
wanna-be!"
-Soap-boxin- Thank you I do feel strongly about environmental issues as
do many other people.
-Tree Huggin- Yes I do like trees: Trees take carbon dioxide from the
air and turn it into oxygen. An average tree exhales enough oxygen in
a day to keep a family of four breathing. Trees remove dust and
pollution from the air. Trees provide shelter and food for wildlife.
>From their leaves to their roots, trees protect water quality. Trees
capture rainfall and help recharge drinking water sources. Trees
provide natural barriers to wind, snow, rain and sun. Trees can be
planted to block the wind and lower heating costs. Trees increase the
value of property.
You mean YOU DON"T like trees? Strange.
-Hairy-under-armed - That is an odd comment for describing an
environmentalist - That is more of a cultural thing.
-Sign-tottin' - Can't say I understand what you mean there, but thanks
anyway ;-)
-Suzuki wanna-be - Although I am not a wanna-be I am flattered that you
liken me to one of Canada's most respected scientists.
If you don't like what i say, don't make pointless comments - I'm sure
many readers will enjoy not having to read your trash.
Zuki
the cancer ward over at the Health Science and say that. I guess you
would get a slightly different opinion.
In today's money grubbing society the environment takes a back seat.
Total abstinance from all chemical based products is just about
impossible. If I could buy a hemp keyboard I would. The best anyone
can do is make an informed decision and that is what Organic Gal was
trying to do . . . provide information so that people do not get sucked
into what the Industry wants you to believe.
Sometimes Industry does provide the information . . . its just the
person in the orange/green/yellow smock behind the counter does not
have the time nor interest to learn about the product. Thats not just
for PT wood either, but for cars, furniture, computers, food . . . you
name it.
Its funny . . . those who benefit from the information posted by OG may
not post a reply . . . but those who would rather get cancer than a
rotted sill are all over it.
Dan
Merry Christmas and send your natural christmas tree to the chipper and not
the fire. Next year buy one that you could plant after use, if they are
available in NL.
DanJ
"Organic-Gal" <xploreo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Organic-Gal
the sell them I will keep it in mind for next year.
Organic-Gal
you do hear of them let me know.
Brenda
44/100ths percent pure........so there.".
But the 'hairy-under-armed, Suzuki wanna-be' had already said, "I then knew
that he was not very informed about the products that they sell as all
consumer products come with a MSDS.".
IOW, her claims were not based on the fact that the product had an MSDS.
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Webwasp
with lung cancer. So F_CK YOU, come down to pleasant street and repeat that
shit with and I will set you straight quick. GOT it! I cleaned, washed,
administered medications, moved her and cared for her every day for 500 days
straight . I do not need some preachy asshole telling me about my lack of
knowledge when it comes to cancer. I replied with humour to a post, you
replied with an obvious want to cause shame, hurt and humilation.
If you are so stunned not to see the obvious tone of humour in "Better a
little cancer than a rotted sill! " and want to believe that others would
rather be cancer filled than inconvenienced by a house issue, your an idiot.
Get a life and a sense of humour!
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Todd
Jerry
"Organic-Gal" <xploreo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Why do't you get over yourself. Do you think you won't be harmed by
> anything in this environment? You are the one making cheap shots and
> assumptions about somone and something that you know nothing about
> although I will give you credit for one thing I enjoy the compliments.
>
> "ya soap-boxin, tree-huggin, hairy-under-armed, sign-totin', Suzuki
> wanna-be!"
>