Gov doing something about Gravel Pit Campers!!
Ron
of old bus, trailers etc that's been in Whiskey Pit on Salmonier Line
for years. Most of these buses/trailers etc in Whiskey Pit have been
there for years and years. I expect a lot of them will have to towed
out of the pit because they are no longer mobile. Have you ever passed
by Whiskey Pit? It looks terrible!
I have nothing against campers camping in a gravel pit, most people
that camp in a gravel pit do so for the weekend and then head back
home with their trailer/RV.
The government doesn't have a problem with gravel pit campers they
have a problem with the gravel pit campers that leave their trailers/
buses etc there for years and years.
Dave
I am from Mount Carmel therefore I have to pass the "whiskey pit"
everytime I go to visit my family. I think its great they are kicking
out the free loaders. It's about time.
stan
> On Jun 13, 1:16 am, Ron <ropo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I applaud the government finally taking action to get rid of the mess
> > of old bus, trailers etc that's been in Whiskey Pit on Salmonier Line
> > for years. Most of these buses/trailers etc in Whiskey Pit have been
> > there for years and years. I expect a lot of them will have to towed
> > out of the pit because they are no longer mobile. Have you ever passed
> > by Whiskey Pit? It looks terrible!
> > I have nothing against campers camping in a gravel pit, most people
> > that camp in a gravel pit do so for the weekend and then head back
> > home with their trailer/RV.
> > The government doesn't have a problem with gravel pit campers they
> > have a problem with the gravel pit campers that leave their trailers/
> > buses etc there for years and years.
>
> I am from Mount Carmel therefore I have to pass the "whiskey pit"
> out the free loaders. It's about time.
Be careful what people wish for!
What alerts in this instance is that word 'freeloader'!
Maybe the City of St. John's or mount Pearl should take over Mount
Carmel and get rid of some of the eyesores, and unsanitary situations
there. And I mean to say the taxes in some of these small towns are
ridiculously low! Some of them can't even do their own snow clearing
or road maintenance! Take them over I say, charge proper taxes, allow
infilling and build up the communities to a better standard. With, as
now, house scattered all over the place with very little, if any, town
planning, the provision of town services is not economic at all. These
are not the old days of subsistence farming and fishing.
Was the time before everybody had motor vehicles and the existing road
sytem when one could 'pitch a tent' almost anywhere and, hopefully,
left it cleaned up and pristine afterwards. Although judging by the
amount of garbage one picks up, almost daily, around this immediate
area (An incorporated municipality!) Newfoundlander residents/drivers
are some of the dirtiest/untidy folks around.
But in this day and age when 'summer cabins' are no longer 'shacks',
some having prices above $150,000 plus, everything has to have a
dollar price and be owned by somebody. So we are merely moving the
urban sprawl out into the rest of the countryside!
The 'Gravel Pit' may be messy (possibly even unsanitary?) but is
closing it down and hauling the units away the loss of yet another
freedom?
The thin end of a very dangerous wedge? Everything be controlled!
Everyone to be told what you can and cannot do!
Necessary, perhaps, in New York City/Toronto? .......................
but in Newfoundland? Just because somebody passing that unincorporated
in any town/municipality spot, thinks it looks untidy.
Just, suppose, that one of the vehicles to be removed is not an old
Gladney's bus but a large Hummer towing a $90,000 Airstream which some
Newfoundlander (or ex-Newfoundlander working away)j has parked 'for
the summer'; knowing that in Newfoundland his camping buddies will
make sure it is looked after.
"Oops, sorry we didn't realize it was not abandoned and supposedly did
not meet Dept of Health regulations 1234.Sub section B-456 for a
permanent residence! And we only compensate the first $500 minus our
cost of removal. Was worth $140,000, eh? Well, whether it was worth
$15 or $140,000, sorry, nothing we can do.
Eventually one will not be allowed to even park or anchor a boat
except by paying a fee/membership/permit. Or park a camper overnight
(except in a Wal Mart parking lot!), there will fees for everything
and the beach at say the head of St. Mary's Bat will be leased to
Hilton Hotels or the XYZ Fishing Lodge; for tourists!
People may have heard of those 'mainland' communities where one is not
allowed to park/store your camper or boat closer to the street than
the front edge of your suburban residence! Or park any kind of a
commercial vehicle in your driveway even if that is your trade/
business. Might look untidy you know?
Urbanization gone wild; with everyone required to comply with living
in little, or big, tacky plastic covered boxes, all lined up in rows!
Have also heard, btw, of travellers merely pulling into a mainland/USA
highway 'lay-by' for mug up or snatch a couple of hours rest on a long
drive, being chivvied along by the the police or state troopers!
While that may seem to be an overstatement there HAVE been a lot more
restrictions imposed during the last 50 years.
So let's be careful what we wish for! Every time one sees a new rule/
restriction, a new fence or blocked off trail; the sale of permits or
an entrance fee to travel or enter somewhere it's another little
erosion of a bigger set of what used to be freedoms!
jl
"stan" <tsan...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in
> What alerts in this instance is that word 'freeloader'!
> Maybe the City of St. John's or mount Pearl should take over Mount
> Carmel and get rid of some of the eyesores, and unsanitary situations
> there.
Maybe St. John's should take over Mount Pearl and get rid of that eyesore.
:-)
Bill Hearn
Just think, a nice brisk winter stroll on a sidewalk.
"jl" <it...@again.net> wrote in message
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jl
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> Maybe Mount Pearl should take over St. John's.
> Just think, a nice brisk winter stroll on a sidewalk.
Either way, having one "city" fully encircled by another makes no sense what
so ever. If this were anywhere else in Canada, there would be tollbooths on
every street corner.
Ron
Stan- Obviously you haven't seen Whiskey Pit! Ever once in a while you
will a camper pulling in off the road into there for the weekend but
pretty well everyone else has been there for years and years. Some of
these campers are absolutely abandoned they have windows broken out
etc, if you were going there on weekend there is no way you could stay
in some of the vehicles that are up there.
Government is NOT doing away with gravel pit camping, if you want to
take your trailer or RV and go camping in a gravel pit for the weekend
you can go right ahead and do it but when you leave there to go home
take your camper with you. Gov wants to get rid of the unsightly mess
of abandoned & or decrepit trailers/buses etc that have popped up
around our province and I applaud them for that.
Danimal
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"Ron" <rop...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Carter
> On Jun 13, 1:31 am, Dave <davemccarthy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 1:16 am, Ron <ropo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I applaud the government finally taking action to get rid of the mess
>>> of old bus, trailers etc that's been in Whiskey Pit on Salmonier Line
>>> for years. Most of these buses/trailers etc in Whiskey Pit have been
>>> there for years and years. I expect a lot of them will have to towed
>>> out of the pit because they are no longer mobile. Have you ever passed
>>> by Whiskey Pit? It looks terrible!
>>> I have nothing against campers camping in a gravel pit, most people
>>> that camp in a gravel pit do so for the weekend and then head back
>>> home with their trailer/RV.
>>> The government doesn't have a problem with gravel pit campers they
>>> have a problem with the gravel pit campers that leave their trailers/
>>> buses etc there for years and years.
>> I am from Mount Carmel therefore I have to pass the "whiskey pit"
>> every time I go to visit my family. I think its great they are kicking
>> out the free loaders. It's about time.
>
> Be careful what people wish for!
>
> What alerts in this instance is that word 'freeloader'!
Well of course! That is exactly what people who park their
'campers' on crown land are, freeloaders in the purest sense of
the word. Whiskey Pit is crown land, not private property and no
permission has ever been sought or given to turn it into a
recreational camp site.
This spring many of the owners of these derelicts complained to
the police that their property had been broken into and
vandalized. The police, a public resource, are expected to
investigate these acts. Think about that for a bit. If you
abandoned your property on crown land, without permission to do
so, do you think that the public purse should be tapped to
investigate vandalism to it?
Whiskey Pit is a rural slum and it has even spilled over to the
opposite side of the road. It is crown land and I really believe
that it is high time that the 'crown' saw to it that the eyesore
is cleaned up.
Carter
Carter
It's not an eyesore but it is only a matter of time before Mount
Pearl as well as Paradise and maybe even CBS will all become part
of the greater municipality of St. John's.
Carter
Wallace J.McLean
> Either way, having one "city" fully encircled by another makes no sense what
> so ever. If this were anywhere else in Canada, there would be tollbooths on
> every street corner.
I don't ever remember seeing tollbooths between Quebec and Sillery or
Montreal and Westmount or Ottawa and Nepean (though they coulda used them)
or Toronto and East York, etc.
Campers Corner
> Maybe Mount Pearl should take over St. John's.
hahaha good one, mt pearl...the city with no public transit, no public
water source, no public waste disposal site, no hospitals, no sewer
system, and one elevator for the public in the entire"town"
i'd call paradise a city before id call mt pearl a city....
oh yeah , they do have some side walks though....
put up the toll booth and let em pay to get into a real city and then
pay to get out again....
thanks
darryl
> Just think, a nice brisk winter stroll on a sidewalk.
>
> "jl" <it...@again.net> wrote in message
>
> news:4a3381d1$0$23763$9a56...@news.aliant.net...
>
>
>
> > "stan" <tsanf...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in
daveHX
we ever take you seriously!?!?
now that ive made this thread a whole lot longer than it ever would
be...carry on!
Campers Corner
hey,
somethings up here at the old household, seems like the profile is
changed, but rest assured it is me, ill find out what is up and get
back to ya
thanks
Darryl
Darryl Harding
now??
i dont know how that happened but i have got a pretty good idea.....
right gregory???
thanks
darryl
Dave
>
> - Show quoted text -
Let's just let everybody do what they like. Let the sides of the roads
turn into derelect slums. Get a grain.
jim
> On Jun 13, 9:39 am, "Bill Hearn" <bbhe...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > Maybe Mount Pearl should take over St. John's.
>
> hahaha good one, mt pearl...the city with no public transit,
They pay
no public
> water source,
They pay
no public waste disposal site,
They pay
no hospitals,
We all pay
no sewer
> system,
We are all paying - too much
and one elevator for the public in the entire"town"
>
> i'd call paradise a city before id call mt pearl a city....
Don't think they have a public elevator, yet.
>
> oh yeah , they do have some side walks though....
>
> put up the toll booth and let em pay to get into a real city and then
> pay to get out again....
St. John's business tax base would be in sorry shape if those from
outside stopped coming in.
>
> thanks
>
> darryl
>
>
>
> > Just think, a nice brisk winter stroll on a sidewalk.
>
> > "jl" <it...@again.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:4a3381d1$0$23763$9a56...@news.aliant.net...
>
> > > "stan" <tsanf...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in
> > >> What alerts in this instance is that word 'freeloader'!
> > >> Maybe the City of St. John's or mount Pearl should take over Mount
> > >> Carmel and get rid of some of the eyesores, and unsanitary situations
> > >> there.
>
> > > Maybe St. John's should take over Mount Pearl and get rid of that eyesore.
> > > :-)- Hide quoted text -
Darryl Harding
>
> > hahaha good one, mt pearl...the city with no public transit,
>
> They pay
u cant by city status, oh wait, maybe you can try....lol
no infrastructure means no city, just another town,
bring on the toll booth, make em pay even more
where is andy when you need him
lol
thanks
darryl
stan
> Think about that for a bit.
> If you
> abandoned your property on crown land, without permission to do
There's that word again ..................... 'permission'.
Permission from whom ................. under what law?
Yes Whiskey Pit is a rural slum; probably as bad (or worse) than any
in hill-billy country.
Quote: "It has even spilled over to the opposite side of the road".
Problem is that if the 'campers' have been in undisputed possession
for many years they may have a right to claim ownership!
It is amazing that it's been there so long. But isn't that the
Canadian way; don't do anything until one has to?
It's like fighting a fire; it's only afterwards it's found that the
smoke detectors were not working, there were no fire extinguishers and
the fire escape doors were locked!
It is to be hoped that the situation can be solved without introducing
additional legislation or regulations. Maybe, for example, the
existing units are "Not fit for habitation" and under Dept. Health
Regulations must be removed or made good?
And/or the 'vehicles' are not registered or in fit state for 'road
use' and should therefore be removed from the 'highway'. But is a
gravel pit originally used to build the roads (circa say the 1960s?)
part of the highway?
Unless some MHA introduces a bill aimed specifically at "Amelioration
of the Whiskey Pit gravel pit area"! (Some bureaucrat can probably
devise an even more complicated title!). Thereby setting a precedent
for every other 'gravel pit camping spot' in the province; raising the
question of 'Compensation', a godsend of a money making opportunity
for a bunch of lawyers seeking 'damages' and and getting whatshisname
or the other fellow in a twist to write another song called, maybe,
"The day the government closed the Whiskey Pit"?
Aw; what the heck: The guv'mint handed our provincial parks over to
private enterprise some years back; the result being higher costs and
that some parks have since closed for lack of business.
But again let's be careful what we wish for while getting rid of an
insanitary possibly unsafe mess. Overshoot the action and we'll see
someone camping in a tent say on crown land for the summer being told
to 'pack up and move on'. And/or tourists being 'chivvied away' in the
The Friendly Province.
Carter
> On Jun 13, 11:53 am, Carter <per.ar...@ad.astra> wrote:
>> Think about that for a bit.
>> If you
>> abandoned your property on crown land, without permission to do
>> so, .......................
>
> There's that word again ..................... 'permission'.
>
> Permission from whom
The Crown.
................. under what law?
Whatever law makes it Crown land.
>
> Yes Whiskey Pit is a rural slum; probably as bad (or worse) than any
> in hill-billy country.
>
> Quote: "It has even spilled over to the opposite side of the road".
>
> Problem is that if the 'campers' have been in undisputed possession
> for many years they may have a right to claim ownership!
Yes they may. I doubt that many will because 'shudder' that
would cost money.
Carter