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Jim
I've never seen a 3D movie here...does it suck as
much as I imagine Empire Theaters 3D does?
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> Avatar is only going to be shown in 3D here! Damn.
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clouddreamer
> why is that a bad thing?
> I've never seen a 3D movie here...does it suck as
> much as I imagine Empire Theaters 3D does?
All 3D movies suck. They're distracting.
..
ThatGuy
like it once was....I've seen 5 or 6 movies in this new format. The
old style of red / blue lenses was bad, but I find the new technology
adds a lot of depth to the screen rather than trying to make stuff
jump out at you.
Give it a couple of weeks to open in Mount Pearl Square and it will be
in 2D.
Not sure why everyone hates on Empire Cinemas, I recall seeing quite a
few posts...but I have never had a hitch and though the price seems
high it is quite on par or even cheaper (Costco passes!) with the rest
of the country.
Carter
> I am glad it's 3D, I find the new form of 3D great and not distracting
> like it once was....I've seen 5 or 6 movies in this new format. The
> old style of red / blue lenses was bad, but I find the new technology
> adds a lot of depth to the screen rather than trying to make stuff
> jump out at you.
>
> Give it a couple of weeks to open in Mount Pearl Square and it will be
> in 2D.
>
> Not sure why everyone hates on Empire Cinemas,
As far as I can tell it's not everyone, just Jim. ;^)
Carter
Jim
reason I hate Empire Theaters is that they lower the voltages on their
projector
bulbs to give them a longer life but it makes every movie too dark
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clouddreamer
> I hate everything for good reasons
>
> reason I hate Empire Theaters is that they lower the voltages on their
> projector
> bulbs to give them a longer life but it makes every movie too dark
>
I think someone told you that and now you have it in your mind that it
really is darker when the difference is imperceptible. As I said years
ago, I went to a movie in Sobey's Square then to the Mall a week later
to see the same movie and saw no difference whatsoever.
;]
Todd
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Carter
> I hate everything for good reasons
>
> reason I hate Empire Theaters is that they lower the voltages on their
> projector
> bulbs to give them a longer life but it makes every movie too dark
Yeah, we know, you already told us.
Carter
Carter
> Sobeys Square...what's dat?
Something like the Price Club? ;^)
Carter
>
>
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Jim
I used to see 3-4 movies a week. Always enjoyed the movie experience.
Popcorn, watered down coke, friends, big screen, etc...
then, out of the blue, every movie seemed a lot darker than it should. I
asked what was up and they feigned ignorance.
More than a year later I heard about the voltage reduction and darkening of
movies. Put 2 and 2 together
For the average movie goer, they wouldn't have noticed a difference. For me,
who was there every second night, spotted it easily.
I remember seeing one movie that was dark and subtitled. It was like shadow
puppet theater and the subs weren't even on the screen.
They were so low, they were almost on the floor....plus someone was sitting
near me who, I swear, bathed in gasoline.
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clouddreamer
> Nope
> I used to see 3-4 movies a week. Always enjoyed the movie experience.
> Popcorn, watered down coke, friends, big screen, etc...
> then, out of the blue, every movie seemed a lot darker than it should. I
> asked what was up and they feigned ignorance.
> More than a year later I heard about the voltage reduction and darkening
> of movies. Put 2 and 2 together
I've asked A LOT of people if they see it...including avid goers and
have yet to have anyone who has noticed.
>
> For the average movie goer, they wouldn't have noticed a difference. For
> me, who was there every second night, spotted it easily.
> I remember seeing one movie that was dark and subtitled. It was like
> shadow puppet theater and the subs weren't even on the screen.
> They were so low, they were almost on the floor....plus someone was
> sitting near me who, I swear, bathed in gasoline.
>
Ah, now, you can't blame the cinema for what people use for cologne!
;]
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> Who cares.
Obviously, I do. Got anything constructive to add?
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>> Jim wrote:
>>> why is that a bad thing?
>>> I've never seen a 3D movie here...does it suck as
>>> much as I imagine Empire Theaters 3D does?
>>
>> All 3D movies suck. They're distracting.
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Newf_Mom
I must say I have seen a few recently, the most recent one being "UP",
and I must say it was quite good- did not bother me at all. The
technology is so good now..... You might find it ok. I am looking
forward to this movie. The theatres here have $4 Tuesdays, all movies,
4 bucks no matter what time no matter what movie-- so I am going
Tuesday!
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> >> Jim wrote:
> >>> why is that a bad thing?
> >>> I've never seen a 3D movie here...does it suck as
> >>> much as I imagine Empire Theaters 3D does?
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> >> All 3D movies suck. They're distracting.
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4 perfs / frame
Lowering the current (we control current) changes the colour temperature of
the screen and actually reduces life expectancy of the arc lamps due to
plating. 3D movies only work well if you have good binocular vision, which
excludes a small portion of the population, like myself, so I dislike them
too. Screens must be set to specific luminance as well, not just colour
temperature. These standards are defined by SMPTE. Unfortunately, the
theaters in NL are the worst I've ever seen. The operators do not take care
of them.
BTW - Deluxe Labs send their reject prints to NL to reduce losses, which
makes things even worse. 35mm film stock (unprocessed) is 15 cents a foot.
With 5-7 reels per movie and 2,000 - 3,000 feet per reel it adds up. When
processed (with image) it sells for 35 cents a foot.
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clouddreamer
> I used to refuse to go see movies in 3D- I just get a headache... but
> I must say I have seen a few recently, the most recent one being "UP",
> and I must say it was quite good- did not bother me at all. The
> technology is so good now..... You might find it ok. I am looking
> forward to this movie. The theatres here have $4 Tuesdays, all movies,
> 4 bucks no matter what time no matter what movie-- so I am going
> Tuesday!
Cool. I'm interested now in seeing what the difference is! I'll go see
it this weekend anyway (just in case they never bring the regular
edition here).
Movies like this make me wish we had an IMAX...
:)
Newf_Mom
I hope you do well, I was skeptical because I have never enjoyed a 3D
movie in my life-- but I have changed my thinking on it now. Worst
case, go see it in 3D, if you do not like it, keep an eye on demonoid
and it will show up there sooner or later...
I do not understand why no one has built an Imax there- they are so
wonderful.....
Jim
They told me that we don't have a large enough population to make building
an IMAX theater feasible
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>I hope you do well, I was skeptical because I have never enjoyed a 3D
>movie in my life-- but I have changed my thinking on it now. Worst
>case, go see it in 3D, if you do not like it, keep an eye on demonoid
>and it will show up there sooner or later...
>I do not understand why no one has built an Imax there- they are so
>wonderful.....
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Mardon
> I'm a Film Lab Engineer. I have experience with Deluxe and
> Technicolor. Lowering the current (we control current) changes the
> colour temperature of the screen and actually reduces life expectancy
> of the arc lamps due to plating. 3D movies only work well if you have
> good binocular vision, which excludes a small portion of the
> population, like myself, so I dislike them too. Screens must be set
> to specific luminance as well, not just colour temperature. These
> standards are defined by SMPTE. Unfortunately, the theaters in NL are
> the worst I've ever seen. The operators do not take care of them.
>
> BTW - Deluxe Labs send their reject prints to NL to reduce losses,
> which makes things even worse. 35mm film stock (unprocessed) is 15
> cents a foot. With 5-7 reels per movie and 2,000 - 3,000 feet per reel
> it adds up. When processed (with image) it sells for 35 cents a foot.
Are you saying that Empire Theaters at the Avalon Mall still use film for
3D? I was under the impression that they used Christie's CP series DLP
Cinema projectors that are enhanced with REAL D 3D technology. Can you
clarify? Thanks.
4 perfs / frame
movie I saw there was King Kong in '05 (?) and it was terrible. What do
they have there now ? Do you work at the Avalon Mall ?
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me). But boy, did NL ever get bad prints (I always hated this). And I have
to say the theaters were bad.
http://www.empiretheatres.com/digital
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Dave & Tina
> I've never seen a 3D movie here...does it suck as
> much as I imagine Empire Theaters 3D does?
Not at all. I hadn't seen a 3D movie in 20 years until last Friday. I was
expecting the same old items thrown at you for no particular reason but was
totally surprised. The new Christmas Carol movie with Jim Carrey was
great.The new technology is so different and hard to explain. At points in
the movie it was as if I was so close I was looking over the characters
shoulders. I highly recommend to anyone like myself who hasn't seen a 3D
since the 70s or 80s to check one out.
Here is a link that states this technology is in it's infancy and pretty
soon it may change the way we watch TV.
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20091216/ent_avatar_3D_09126/20091216?hub=BritishColumbiaHome
Dave & Tina
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> Sobeys Square...what's dat?
>
Speaking of Sobeys Square I heard today that the theatres lease was not
renewed and they will be closing just after the new year. Bell-Aliant is
taking over the space.
HB
I think about it, I do actually recall
seeing "some" movies at empire theatres that seemed awefully dark, not many,
but a few, and just kinda never
really thought it could be anything more than the way it was made I
guess...If they were actually doing this,
are they allowed to do so ?
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Jim
I did all I could really do about it. I confronted the manager who denied
it. Claimed it was impossible to do.
Talked to the projectionist and he said it's simple to do but they don't do
it.
So now they've lost me as a customer. I only go see the "big" ones such as
Star Wars, Batman, Iron Man etc...
Paid to see Inglorious Basterds and got bitten. One of my least favorite
films by Tarantino
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> I can't speak on this type of 3D technology (it's more like home
> theater to me). But boy, did NL ever get bad prints (I always hated
> this). And I have to say the theaters were bad.
Digital is replacing film in cinema theatres just as it has already
replaced most film for still photography.
I really don't think it's possible to reduce brightness in digital
projectors by lowering the projection lamp voltage like it was with film
projectors. The short-arc Xenon lamps used in Christies CP series
equipment have a rated voltage of only 25 volts. I think that it is
possible to reduce costs by using a lamp that has less lumen output than is
required for a good picture. As I understand it, a 2 Kw, 8,000 lumen lamp
intended for a screen under 30 feet could be used instead of a 3 Kw, 14,000
lumen lamp intended for a 55 foot screen. I think both lamps will operate
in the same projector. I have no idea if any theatre is actually doing
this.
Jim
bet my left berry they are doing it.
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> If it saves them money and therefore pads the pockets of the
> higher-ups, I'd bet my left berry they are doing it.
I got really interested in this thread because I also think the screen
images are not as bright as they ought to be. I'm skeptical though about
the suggestion that the voltage is being intentionally reduced to lessen
costs. Being the curious person that I am, I emailed the technical
department at Christie's this morning (christiedigital.com) and asked
them if the projection lamps in their CP series digital projectors could
be intentionally reduced to save costs. I was pleasantly surprised to
receive a prompt and comprehensive answer. The following is what they
wrote in answer to my question:
"It is technically possible that the brightness has been decreased due to
the lamp power settings. The front end electronics of the CP series
projectors will allow for power levels to be lowered as far down as 50%.
This having been said, this feature is available in order to customize
your projector brightness for the appropriate screen size. With smaller
screens, the brightness output is more condensed into a smaller area, so
brightness typically needs to be set lower, the smaller the screen is.
DCI standards require Cinema projectors to be set to 13-15 fL (Foot
Lamberts, also known as Lumens per Square foot) for 2D content. When our
projectors are installed, brightness measurements are taken to assure
this brightness requirement is being met. The Xenon lamps used in the CP
series DO have a certain degree of drop off over the course of the lamp
life. For this reason, there is an internal light meter in the projector
that takes arbitrary brightness readings in the optical path and feeds
this information back to the projectors electronics to monitor the
current lamp brightness. The projector will increase power to the lamp in
response to a drop in brightness in order to maintain image brightness as
the lamp ages. This function is referred to as LightLOC
Although the accusation that the theatre is dropping the brightness
intentionally in order to extend lamp life could be true, the more likely
culprit would be:
A - The projectors light LOC has not been enabled or properly setup so
the image brightness will naturally drop over the course of the lamp
life.
B - The projector has not been properly maintained by the
theatre/installation company, so new lamps are set to the same power
level as when it was first installed. (There is a certain degree of
tolerance in the natural brightness from one lamp to the next, so power
levels for new lamps should be set accordingly. As a projector ages, the
optics will also naturally lose clarity requiring lamp power to be set
higher for new lamps over the projector life.)
Unfortunately, upkeep on these projectors is usually the responsibility
of the theatre, or company that is contracted to maintain them and
lowered brightness levels can sometimes be neglected.
Regards," <*I've deleted the technician's name for privacy*>
Jim
but
why would I suddenly notice every movie in every cinema getting darker?
If it was just one theater (or even several) I could believe it was
"naturally" occurring.
Seeing as I noticed most movies in most theaters become a lot darker over a
period of
just a few days (a week at most) I'm inclined to believe someone is causing
it to happen.
They still get people to come to the movies...they still get people to spend
twice as much
money for drinks, popcorn and candy. It's not a big leap to think they want
to make more
money by having to buy fewer bulbs.
Look at it this way. If you looked at your home or your car and it was a few
shades darker
than normal, you'd notice it immediately. That's how easy it was for me to
spot the lower
light levels for the movies.
I pursued it for about a year with Empire Theaters. All I ever got were
denials. So now I either
download movies or wait till the come out on DVD and buy them.
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> I suppose it is possible the dimness is due to neglect or lamp
> longevity but
> why would I suddenly notice every movie in every cinema getting
> darker? If it was just one theater (or even several) I could believe
> it was "naturally" occurring.
> Seeing as I noticed most movies in most theaters become a lot darker
> over a period of
> just a few days (a week at most) I'm inclined to believe someone is
> causing it to happen.
<*snip*>
When was it that you noticed this sudden difference occur? Why not try and
find out if your date coincides with the move from film projectors to
digital projectors. I agree with you that the image quality doesn't seem
to be as good as it was a few years ago. But I don't think that they're
doing it intentionally to safe costs. In general, I'm not big believer in
conspiracy theories. My guess is it's an equipment issue; either a
maintenance, operation or installation problem.
Matt
> Avatar is only going to be shown in 3D here! Damn.
>
> :\
I believe you already changed your mind about it in another thread,
but to anyone else out there apprehensive about seeing Avatar in 3D:
Don't be.
I've seen a number of 3D movies now; not a huge fan, but Avatar
utilizes the technology perfectly! It truly augments what is already
the most visually impressive film ever made (in terms of CGI that is).
Matt