Puddister and his salary

[Darryl Harding]

puddister and his treasurer make 175 thousand a year in
salary...............EACH!!!....i wonder how much his strike pay is....

thoughts?
Darryl

[DaveHX]

At Canada Post, when we go on strike, so does all the management of the
union. The way it should be

"Darryl Harding" <f6ce...@nf.aibn.com> wrote in message
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[Jason]

The NAPE president continues to maintian his regular salary plus overtime
while the union is one strike. From what I understand, all union office
workers will also get paid their salary plus overtime. However, Leo has
agreed to give up his salary and accept regular strike pay.

Jason

P.S - Union Office Workers are people who work for the union, NOT union
members.

"Darryl Harding" <f6ce...@nf.aibn.com> wrote in message
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[Willy]

You'd think making 175 G's you'd splurge and get a new suit, he must be
spending it all on Hair dye and coffee's at the mall!

"Darryl Harding" <f6ce...@nf.aibn.com> wrote in message
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[Chris Dillon]

Well...isn't that nice of Leo to give up his salary. I know if I made 175
g's a year, I could afford a few months without pay. He's a saint and
they're lucky to have him...can ya sense the sarcasm.

"Jason" <ja...@maybesomeday.ca> wrote in message
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[TGP]

do you blame him for making what he makes?

Do you use the same sarcasm in the fact that Danny gives up his salary?

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[DaveHX]

My Mother is consodered an essential worker, if she gets called in, her
wages go to the union and after the strike it is dispersed throughout the
membership

"Chris Dillon" <webm...@two13.ca> wrote in message
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[Jason]

Same here.

Jason

"DaveHX" wrote in message

[Dave]

and you'd think he'd get some grammer lessons instead of using words like
werdent (weren't) and piesoned (poisoned). I'm not picking on dialect, so
don't flame me. Werdent is one of my favourite words that I like to use but
I wouldn't use it on tv where millions may be viewing.

Dave

"Willy" <wi...@willy.wil> wrote in message
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[Keith O'Rielly]

I wonder what his educational background is?

"Darryl Harding" <f6ce...@nf.aibn.com> wrote in message
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[SC]

The union employs non-union workers? Isn't that an oxymoron?

[Jason]

SC,

You're misunderstanding me. The people who work at NAPE offices are
Unionized workers. I was trying to differentiate between unionized office
workers who work in government offices and those who work in NAPE offices.
The ones who work in government offices will earn strike pay while on the
picket lines. Those who work in NAPE offices will get regular salary plus
overtime if they work overtime.

Jason

"SC" wrote

[TGP]

Why? because of the way he speaks? What else do you base your statement on?

"Keith O'Rielly" <keitho...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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[Chris Dillon]

Sure I do....All workers are crying about wages/cuts/wage freeze. Maybe if
all the union management took a pay cut, that could go the people that
through the course of the year do much more work the Leo does sipping joe at
the mall. Did someone ever ask the management if they would take a pay cut
in order for a few members to keep their jobs.

"TGP" <I'l...@mail.you> wrote in message
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[TGP]

yeah and whole the union management took a pay cut so could the government
for putting the wage freeze on. What about pension cuts too while were at
it.

"Chris Dillon" <webm...@two13.ca> wrote in message

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[oldtrout]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:03:40 GMT, "Jason" <ja...@maybesomeday.ca>
wrote:

I have to ask. Who and what is Puddister?

Thanks

ot

[Darryl Harding]

the union has 31 employees and the employees salaries and benefits as
well os opperating costs total 7.8 million a year
easch employee has a car or transportaion account as weel as other
benefits on top of their slaary....

the total revenue for the union dues comes to only 7.7 million so nape
has been losing money for the last four years and in fact has depleted
the defence fund by almost 1 million dollars just to pay the bills to
stay in operation.....what kind of strength is there in a union wih no
defense fund........

the Independent had a pretty good article in it yesterday
Darryl

[voigt Lander]

Pudister... he's the guy who looks like an ugly Elvis and has 'friends'
in the Maze prison in N.Ireland (read jailed IRA terrorists) who send
hims gifts that they make. He proudly talked about it on TV a while back..

make of that, what you will....

[oldtrout]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:29:52 -0330, voigt Lander
<voig...@netscape-nospam.net> wrote:

>Pudister... he's the guy who looks like an ugly Elvis and has 'friends'
>in the Maze prison in N.Ireland (read jailed IRA terrorists) who send
>hims gifts that they make. He proudly talked about it on TV a while back..
>
>make of that, what you will....

Thank you.

ot

[Snipe]

They are not non-union employees. All employees of nape are unionised.
Their contract does not expire on March 31.

snipe
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[Gene Lander]

Yeah, and apparently when he spent time in jail during the RNC strike a
couple years back, he got paid time and a half for the whole time he was in
there. I know he probably wasn't getting as big a salary as he is now but
he was the right hand man and I'm sure was getting a bigger salary than
most.

"Darryl Harding" <f6ce...@nf.aibn.com> wrote in message
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[Steve]

I know someone who grew up with him.........in a word.......poor, but I
don't have any documented proof.....lol

"Keith O'Rielly" <keitho...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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[Steve]

that should be a huge statement in itself............how many other people
are we aware of who can actually go to jail, and not only be allowed to keep
their job, but get overtime pay while they're there??!!......WTF!!!
Most people I know would be unemployed if they were arrested 'on the job' so
to speak
"Gene Lander" <genel...@roadrunner.nf.net> wrote in message
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[Snipe]

He's no different than any other union memeber. If they were carted off to
jail because they were taking part in a peaceful demonstration (which is
their right) then they too will be looked after. Any fines and court costs
are payed for by the union. So, in that respect Puddister is no diferent.

snipe
"Steve" <customcomp...@roadrunner.nf.net> wrote in message
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[Snipe]

And why wouldn't he get paid. If you were doing what your employer asked
you to do and got arrested because some assh*le beauracrat wanted to flex
his/her muscles and put you behind bars for not bowing down to them,
wouldn't you want to get paid too?

snipe

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[Snipe]

Where did you get this information Darryl? Just wondering how accurate it
is.

snipe

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[Smoke286]

I heard when they get arrested on a picketline they get double time, 24
hours a day. Now THAT'S what I call overtime. Take me away you oppressors of
the proletariat

[Steve]

actually.......he puts himself in that position.....and publically states
that fact.......
besides which, no 'employer' as you put it, would call into question the
integrity of either their business, or their employees when it comes to time
in jail.
If I were to say I spent many months in jail...........most people would
'assume' I probably got what I deserved and
show me no mercy.........as far as the pay.............$0000000
when Mr. P goes to the clink, why is he 'just doing his job', and deserves
to be paid?..........ooookaaay

"Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[Gigli]

Yes, some 'grammar' and spelling lessons would be appropriate!!

"Dave" <dave...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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[oldtrout]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:52:24 -0330, "Steve"
<customcomp...@roadrunner.nf.net> wrote:

>actually.......he puts himself in that position.....and publically states
>that fact.......
>besides which, no 'employer' as you put it, would call into question the
>integrity of either their business, or their employees when it comes to time
>in jail.
>If I were to say I spent many months in jail...........most people would
>'assume' I probably got what I deserved and
>show me no mercy.........as far as the pay.............$0000000
>when Mr. P goes to the clink, why is he 'just doing his job', and deserves
>to be paid?..........ooookaaay

So if a member of The Hell's Angels takes out a dude for non payment
for drugs isn't he just doing his job?

ot

[Keith O'Rielly]

Puddister......

Garsh, mayhaps if I'se useses bad langwage and stuff I'll get errested and
put in the clink. Then dem fellers will giv me a lot of time and hafe too.

Just another indication that the world is arse up. I'm willing to bet that
he is making more now than my degree will ever make for me. And why did I
go to university for 6 years??????

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[Jon Drover]

"Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Where did you get this information Darryl? Just wondering how
> accurate it is.

Article in this weeks Sunday Independent. The article should be posted
tonight on their website http://www.theindependent.ca

Jon_

[oldtrout]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:20:57 -0330, "Keith O'Rielly"
<keitho...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>Puddister......
>
> Garsh, mayhaps if I'se useses bad langwage and stuff I'll get errested and
>put in the clink. Then dem fellers will giv me a lot of time and hafe too.
>
>Just another indication that the world is arse up. I'm willing to bet that
>he is making more now than my degree will ever make for me. And why did I
>go to university for 6 years??????

To pay back a student loan? :-(

ot

[TGP]

Guess i was right about your arrogance in the post made about you asking if
he was educated. If someone has a dialect does that make them
unintelligent?? I don't think so. But if you actually believe in that then
I wonder who the unintelligent one is.... It's one thing to criticsize
someones actions or whatever, but when you consistantly take blows at the
way they speak, that is pathetic.

You arrogant tit.

"Keith O'Rielly" <keitho...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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[TGP]

probably did a major in arrogance

"oldtrout" <no-...@home.ca> wrote in message
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[Keith O'Rielly]

I'm not aware of a major in that area, however if it is ever offered I
suggest you take a teaching role. Don't take too much offense to what you
read my friend, you might well misinterpret the intent.

"TGP" <I'l...@mail.you> wrote in message

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[TGP]

Twice in this thread you made a dig at the way he talks, and linked it with
intelligence.

And I bet you are one who would get offended if someone from Ontario called
you stupid because you are a newfie. Same thing.

"Keith O'Rielly" <keitho...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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[Keith O'Rielly]

Ironic that someone who writes a post slamming someone for being
unintelligent then ends that post with "you arrogant tit". Well done.

The intent of asking about the educational background had nothing to do with
the dialect. I am from rural newfoundland and I have as distinct an accent
as you'll find, when I am not in a professional environment. The question
was to determine what qualified him for the job he was doing.

Get the facts straight first, then give me shit if you feel I deserve it.

"TGP" <I'l...@mail.you> wrote in message

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[TGP]

Well if that is your stane then why did you designate an entire post to
bashing the way he speaks?

"Keith O'Rielly" <keitho...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message

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[Keith O'Rielly]

I am in no way questioning his intelligence. That was a misinterpretation.
In fact I suppose it stands to reason that anyone in his position must
indeed be very intelligent.

From Darryl's post,

" I heard when they get arrested on a picketline they get double time, 24
hours a day. Now THAT'S what I call overtime. Take me away you oppressors of

the proletariat.

That is what I was referring to. If that is true, it is not right....
Sorry if I offended you TGP....

"TGP" <I'l...@mail.you> wrote in message

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[TGP]

Yeah allright. But you didn't offend me. I don't talk like Mr. Puddister.
I jsut look down upon peoples opinons of dialect, specifically someone from
st. jophn's looking down on someone from outside of the city(not syaing
thats you, i have no idea where you are from). I guess my reason for that
is because every nook and cranny of this island has its own dialect, St.
John's included.

"Keith O'Rielly" <keitho...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message

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[Keith]

Agreed. Diverse group we all are. Again, being from the East Coast, I have
little room to talk of anyone with a dialect, those words were in
jest..........

Good debating with you though....

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[TGP]

no sweat

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[Ron Brown]

HA HA Freaking HA

I remember someone posted this months ago, that the union people make
WAYYY to much money and he was shitted on. Then when numbers were posted
people said, naaahhh. They dont make that here.

yet here it is.. The APE of NAPE making 175Gs. Yet he will send his
people out for pennies on the dollar all in the name of the all mighty
UNION. If they are out, so is he!

GOD, I have never seen a individual in my life that gives me the shivers
like that neanderthal does.

He is a embarrassment to all humanity!

[Ron Brown]

I dont know ant BComms or PHds, that are as articulated as that APE is

Grade 6 at best.

TGP wrote:
> Why? because of the way he speaks? What else do you base your statement on?

>
> "Keith O'Rielly" <keitho...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message

> news:c3nsbs$fc5$1...@nntp-stjh-01-01.rogers.nf.net...
>
>>I wonder what his educational background is?
>>

>>"Darryl Harding" <f6ce...@nf.aibn.com> wrote in message
>>news:2dJ7c.122793$IF6.4...@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>>

>>>puddister and his treasurer make 175 thousand a year in
>>>salary...............EACH!!!....i wonder how much his strike pay is....
>>>
>>>thoughts?
>>>Darryl
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Ron Brown]

Yes he was in jail alot. He is a freaking criminal piece of shit

[Ron Brown]

humm.. peocefull demonstration which is their right, yet in jail. Your
not correct !

Please explain

[TGP]

Ahh look who is once again ragging on someone..the professional himself

Oh, and why grade 6? What method do you use to determine how intelligent
he is??? Lets hear it.

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[TGP]

once again your throwing your binary weight around

"Ron Brown" <rb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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[Ron Brown]

He was in jail. Convicted, so hence he is a criminal.

Grade 6. I picked that by way of extrapolation (in reverse).

[Snipe]

You don't have to go to jail to be a criminal. On the other hand there were
100's of Lab & Xray techs that were charged and convicted of disobeying a
court order a few years ago. Does that make them all criminals?

snipe

"Ron Brown" <rb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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[Snipe]

Who said anything about demonstrating in jail? I said "if they were carted
off to jail for taking part in a peaceful demonstrating". I said nothing of
demonstrating in jail...I beleive even Puddister could have comprehended
that statement.

snipe

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[Snipe]

"Steve" <customcomp...@roadrunner.nf.net> wrote in message

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> actually.......he puts himself in that position.....and publically states
> that fact.......
> besides which, no 'employer' as you put it, would call into question the
> integrity of either their business, or their employees when it comes to
time
> in jail.

Unions are employers. Governments are employers. Governments don't think
twice about questioning the integrity of their employees or making criminals
out of them for that matter. The HCC has charged hundreds of their
employees for refusing to obey back to work orders.

> If I were to say I spent many months in jail...........most people would
> 'assume' I probably got what I deserved and
> show me no mercy.

Without the facts they might! That's a fact of life. It's not right
though. Just ask Greg Parsons.

>........as far as the pay.............$0000000
> when Mr. P goes to the clink, why is he 'just doing his job', and deserves
> to be paid?..........ooookaaay

Because that is his job! He was an employee relations officer for the union
and stood behind/in front of his brothers and sisters on the picket line.
What did you expect him to do...run away when the going got tough. I'm sure
he didn't asked to get locked up.

snipe

[Snipe]

Yeah, he was a prison warden...I guess that entitles him to be in the jail a
lot. ;-)

snipe
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[Snipe]

Like I said - just wondering how accurate the information is. There nothing
in your paper that I could find relating to it in any case.

snipe

"Jon Drover" <j...@drover.caNOSPAM> wrote in message
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[Snipe]

Good point TGP. As many others have as well. I am not affiliated with NAPE
or any other union. But, I have been in negotiations with Puddister and let
me tell you...He is not stupid! Far from it. In fact most of the people
who have insinuated otherwise are just plain jealous of the fact that he is
able to bring home the beacon while they are still searching for it. I've
said it here many times before and I will say it again...Some of the most
stupid people I know are also the most educated.

snipe

"TGP" <I'l...@mail.you> wrote in message

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[Snipe]

"Ron Brown" <rb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> HA HA Freaking HA

>
>>
> He is a embarrassment to all humanity!
>

I'd choose him over you any day...You are an embarrassment to yourself.

You're a sad individual with a major chip on your shoulder.

[Keith]

Yes, he stood up for the "Union Brothers and Sisters" for what. A trade off
of a few cents on their wage for a couple of thousand a year for him. I
suppose between all the top dogs in the union, they could shed 5% of their
salaries and end the collective bargaining by sharing it among their
brothers and sisters....

"Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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[Snipe]

"Keith" <keitho...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> Yes, he stood up for the "Union Brothers and Sisters" for what. A trade
off
> of a few cents on their wage for a couple of thousand a year for him.

What ever the benefits were I don't know, but I'm sure it was worth more
than pennies. If your career depended on the outcome of a collective
agreement, I'm sure you would feel it was worth it.

> I suppose between all the top dogs in the union, they could shed 5% of
their
> salaries and end the collective bargaining by sharing it among their
> brothers and sisters....

Yeah that should amount to about a $ 1.00 per year per union member. I'm
sure they would choose that over giving up 3 A/L days a year and 12-15 S/L
days and give up family leave and loss of seniority, and so on and so on.

You talk as if union memberships look to go on strike...like they enjoy it
or something. These are ordinary people with families and food to put on
the table and who are damn worried about their furtures. When unions
members withdraw services, it's the last resort. I can assure you that if
it was just a matter of getting a raise or not, the strike vote would not
have been anywhere near what it was. But, when you have an employer telling
you that they want to take away privilages that you worked and fought long
and hard for oever many years, that's a who different kettle of fish.

[D. Winsor]

"Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> > He is a embarrassment to all humanity!
> >
> I'd choose him over you any day...You are an embarrassment to yourself.
>
> You're a sad individual with a major chip on your shoulder.

Now, now, rb is one of the "strong whos survives".

[Jon Drover]

"Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:d358c.17276$A_2.8...@news20.bellglobal.com:

> Like I said - just wondering how accurate the information is. There
> nothing in your paper that I could find relating to it in any case.

What else do you want? The information came directly from NAPE.
http://www.theindependent.ca/article.asp?AID=39

Jon_

[I Don't Give A Damn]

EXACTLY!!! He was a prison warden so he went to jail and all his buddies
looked after him like he was in a spa. He wasn't exactly treated as is
it was joe shmoe that went to prison.

[Chaz]

Yeah, 5% of their salary is going to go far among 20,000 members! Your math
makes no sense.

"Keith" <keitho...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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[I Don't Give A Damn]

If this is true the membership of NAPE should be more upset with this
than how the govt. is trying to screw them. Jesus there are people with
doctorates who don't make that kind of money.

Jon Drover wrote:

> "Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in

[I Don't Give A Damn]

I wonder what justifies that he make that salary?

Keith O'Rielly wrote:

> Puddister......
>
> Garsh, mayhaps if I'se useses bad langwage and stuff I'll get errested and
> put in the clink. Then dem fellers will giv me a lot of time and hafe too.
>
> Just another indication that the world is arse up. I'm willing to bet that
> he is making more now than my degree will ever make for me. And why did I
> go to university for 6 years??????
>
>

> "Smoke286" <Smok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c3q0gn$778$1...@nntp-stjh-01-01.rogers.nf.net...
>
>>I heard when they get arrested on a picketline they get double time, 24
>>hours a day. Now THAT'S what I call overtime. Take me away you oppressors
>
> of
>
>>the proletariat

[I Don't Give A Damn]

Seriously though I wonder what kind of educational background he does have?

TGP wrote:

> Twice in this thread you made a dig at the way he talks, and linked it with
> intelligence.
>
> And I bet you are one who would get offended if someone from Ontario called
> you stupid because you are a newfie. Same thing.
>
>
> "Keith O'Rielly" <keitho...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:c3qad1$aep$1...@nntp-stjh-01-01.rogers.nf.net...
>
>>I'm not aware of a major in that area, however if it is ever offered I
>>suggest you take a teaching role. Don't take too much offense to what you
>>read my friend, you might well misinterpret the intent.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"TGP" <I'l...@mail.you> wrote in message
>>news:fx18c.123547$IF6.4...@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>>
>>>probably did a major in arrogance
>>>
>>>
>>>"oldtrout" <no-...@home.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:7r81609nc8lhqgmi3...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:20:57 -0330, "Keith O'Rielly"

>>>><keitho...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Puddister......
>>>>>
>>>>>Garsh, mayhaps if I'se useses bad langwage and stuff I'll get
>
> errested
>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>put in the clink. Then dem fellers will giv me a lot of time and
>
> hafe
>
>>>too.
>>>
>>>>>Just another indication that the world is arse up. I'm willing to
>
> bet
>
>>>that
>>>
>>>>>he is making more now than my degree will ever make for me. And why
>>
>>did
>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>>>go to university for 6 years??????
>>>>

>>>>To pay back a student loan? :-(
>>>>
>>>>ot
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>"Smoke286" <Smok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:c3q0gn$778$1...@nntp-stjh-01-01.rogers.nf.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I heard when they get arrested on a picketline they get double
>
> time,
>
>>24
>>
>>>>>>hours a day. Now THAT'S what I call overtime. Take me away you
>>>
>>>oppressors
>>>
>>>>>of
>>>>>
>>>>>>the proletariat
>>>>>>"Darryl Harding" <f6ce...@nf.aibn.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:2dJ7c.122793$IF6.4...@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>puddister and his treasurer make 175 thousand a year in
>>>>>>>salary...............EACH!!!....i wonder how much his strike pay
>>>
>>>is....
>>>
>>>>>>>thoughts?
>>>>>>>Darryl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>

[Steve]

charged and convicted ?

i'd say yes....lol

"Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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[Steve]

YES.....and its criminal.......thats a poor example, are we comparing NAPE
to the 'angels' now?

"oldtrout" <no-...@home.ca> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:52:24 -0330, "Steve"
> <customcomp...@roadrunner.nf.net> wrote:
>
> >actually.......he puts himself in that position.....and publically states
> >that fact.......
> >besides which, no 'employer' as you put it, would call into question the
> >integrity of either their business, or their employees when it comes to
time
> >in jail.

> >If I were to say I spent many months in jail...........most people would
> >'assume' I probably got what I deserved and

> >show me no mercy.........as far as the pay.............$0000000

> >when Mr. P goes to the clink, why is he 'just doing his job', and
deserves
> >to be paid?..........ooookaaay
>

> So if a member of The Hell's Angels takes out a dude for non payment
> for drugs isn't he just doing his job?
>
> ot

> >
> >"Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:DXZ7c.13544$re.11...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >> And why wouldn't he get paid. If you were doing what your employer
asked
> >> you to do and got arrested because some assh*le beauracrat wanted to
flex
> >> his/her muscles and put you behind bars for not bowing down to them,
> >> wouldn't you want to get paid too?
> >>
> >> snipe
> >>
> >> "Gene Lander" <genel...@roadrunner.nf.net> wrote in message
> >> news:c3p9ol$qtb$1...@nntp-stjh-01-01.rogers.nf.net...
> >> > Yeah, and apparently when he spent time in jail during the RNC strike
a
> >> > couple years back, he got paid time and a half for the whole time he
was
> >> in
> >> > there. I know he probably wasn't getting as big a salary as he is
now
> >but
> >> > he was the right hand man and I'm sure was getting a bigger salary
than
> >> > most.
> >> >
> >> >

[Rum]

I'd say he has his Grade XI. He was in the army before becoming a
corrections officer, and then he got involved in the union as a shop
steward. He has quite an impressive record with NAPE.

[Snipe]

So what's your point?

snipe
"I Don't Give A Damn" <IDontGiv...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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[Snipe]

It says the page can't be found. But in any case, lets say the info is
accurate. So what? He is the head of a 20,000 member organization. Jes
there are political cronies in plum crown corporation appointments making
twice that for doing a fraction of what the president of NAPE does in the
run of a day. Point out 1 person who heads a corporation or organization
with 20,000 employees or members who is making less than puddister.

snipe

"Jon Drover" <j...@drover.caNOSPAM> wrote in message

news:Xns94B68629102Ej...@192.75.13.113...

[Snipe]

He is the head of a 20,000 member organization. Jes there are political
cronies in plum crown corporation appointments making twice that for doing a
fraction of what the president of NAPE does in the run of a day. Point out

to me one person who heads a corporation or organization with 20,000

employees or members who is making less than puddister.

snipe

"I Don't Give A Damn" <IDontGiv...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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[I Don't Give A Damn]

My point being was that it wasn't exactly a hardship on him.

[I Don't Give A Damn]

....and teachers are responsible for moulding childrens lives. I'm sure
if we go on perceived job value nurses would be making double old Leo's
salary.

[Darryl Harding]

350 thousands dollars for the president and the secratary treasurer
between them is too much money for the positions when the unions has to
take from the defense fun to pay the bills in order to continue to
operate.....period....

it is not a matter of comparing to a corporation head, he is the leader
of a financially dying union......period

let him live on 200 a week in strike pay if he wants the union to
strike.....take away his form of earning a living as well and i tell
you he will not hurt near as much as the rank and file will.....

and besides, what has he done to deserve that kind of money.....it
simply comes with the position.....and again i say it is too much, in
fact it is laughable, our politicians are the highest paid in canada and
now so are our public sector union heads.....meanwhile the regular joes
are starved and taxed to death.....and those fat assed high paid
politicians and union heads are the ones that decide when and where the
rank and file hits the streets.....pathetic

Darryl

Darryl

[Snipe]

Jees IDGAD I don't know. I wouldn't want to spend 3 months confined to cell
at HMP for triple time and a half. I don't think they have any suites down
there ;-)

snipe

"I Don't Give A Damn" <IDontGiv...@netscape.net> wrote in message

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[Snipe]

So what has that got to do with it. I'm not talking about perceived worth.
Everyone thinks they have the most important job in the world and are worth
three times what they are getting paid. Teachers, Nurses, Social Workers,
etc. are all on average paid about 10 -15,000 lest than their mainland
counterparts across Canada. So why would they be worth double what
Puddister gets. Now compare what other union heads and those charged with
the responsibility of running 20,000 person organizations or corps and see
where puddister sits.

I could care less one way or the other what he gets paid. All I saying is
that there are those in this NG who think he sould not make anywhere neer
that amount because he "looks like an ape" or he is not articulate enough
or he may not have a doctorate degree. The reality is, he is getting paid
what like jobs are getting everywhere else. And why shouldn't he?

sninpe

"I Don't Give A Damn" <IDontGiv...@netscape.net> wrote in message

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[Jon Drover]

> "Jon Drover" <j...@drover.caNOSPAM> wrote in message
>

>> "Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:d358c.17276$A_2.8...@news20.bellglobal.com:
>>
>> > Like I said - just wondering how accurate the information is. There
>> > nothing in your paper that I could find relating to it in any case.
>>
>> What else do you want? The information came directly from NAPE.
>> http://www.theindependent.ca/article.asp?AID=39

> It says the page can't be found. But in any case, lets say the info is
> accurate. So what?

Like you said, you were just wondering how accurate the information was.
You also said that you couldn't find anything in the paper relating to
it. I was just pointing you in the right direction. I wasn't debating
the the merits of the story, just that it exists and it is from a valid
source. If you live in St. John's, pop down to Suite 300, 152 Water
Street and pick up a copy of the paper.

> is the head of a 20,000 member organization. Jes there
> are political cronies in plum crown corporation appointments making

NAPE is not a crown corporation, Apples and Oranges...

> twice that for doing a fraction of what the president of NAPE does in
> the run of a day.

First of all, does this make it right? Second of all, have you ever seen
what Leo does in the run of a day and thirdly, just for kicks, name one
political crony that makes more than Leo.

> Point out 1 person who heads a corporation or organization
> with 20,000 employees or members who is making less than puddister.

This is not a corporation or an organization that is set up for profit,
it's a union set up to help its members. Would you give the head of a
charity $175 000 a year? Again just because others are getting paid that
amount doesn't necessarily make it right. That being said I have no idea
what he should be getting paid. Maybe he's not getting enough...

All this being said the major story in all of this is that the union is
running a deficit. They need more money and the only way to get the cash
is to raise union dues or lower expenses. Kinda makes you wonder what's
motivating NAPE's negitiating team when they ask the government for more
tax payer money. Give the workers more money so they can raise dues to
pay off administration expences.

Jon_

[I Don't Give A Damn]

exactly and also heads of corporations have 5-8 years of University
under their belts and many more years working their way up the corporate
ladder.

[Chaz]

The third way to increase dues coming in is to increase membership, which
NAPE has spent a considerable amount trying to accomplish in the past couple
of years.

"Jon Drover" <j...@drover.caNOSPAM> wrote in message

news:Xns94B71DD2F1004...@192.75.13.113...

[Chaz]

"a financially dying union"
Another ludicrous and grossly exaggerated statement.
--

"Darryl Harding" <f6ce...@nf.aibn.com> wrote in message

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[Snipe]

"Jon Drover" <j...@drover.caNOSPAM> wrote in message

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>
> > "Jon Drover" <j...@drover.caNOSPAM> wrote in message
> >
> >> "Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:d358c.17276$A_2.8...@news20.bellglobal.com:
> >>
> >> > Like I said - just wondering how accurate the information is. There
> >> > nothing in your paper that I could find relating to it in any case.
> >>
> >> What else do you want? The information came directly from NAPE.
> >> http://www.theindependent.ca/article.asp?AID=39
>
> > It says the page can't be found. But in any case, lets say the info is
> > accurate. So what?
>
> Like you said, you were just wondering how accurate the information was.
> You also said that you couldn't find anything in the paper relating to
> it. I was just pointing you in the right direction.

But, you pointed me to a dead end.

> I wasn't debating the the merits of the story, just that it exists and it
is from a valid
> source. If you live in St. John's, pop down to Suite 300, 152 Water
> Street and pick up a copy of the paper.

I don't think I want it that bad. Thanks just the same.

>
> > is the head of a 20,000 member organization. Jes there
> > are political cronies in plum crown corporation appointments making
>
> NAPE is not a crown corporation, Apples and Oranges...

Yeah, in some respects...NAPE members elect their president. Many Crown
Corporations are appointed. (Political Plums)

> > twice that for doing a fraction of what the president of NAPE does in
> > the run of a day.
>
> First of all, does this make it right?

Yes. That's what unions are all about. Fair compunsation for services
provided.

>Second of all, have you ever seen what Leo does in the run of a day

Yes!

>and thirdly, just for kicks, name one political crony that makes more than
Leo.

Bill Wells

>
> > Point out 1 person who heads a corporation or organization
> > with 20,000 employees or members who is making less than puddister.

I also asked a question...what's your answer?

>
> This is not a corporation or an organization that is set up for profit,
> it's a union set up to help its members. Would you give the head of a
> charity $175 000 a year? Again just because others are getting paid that
> amount doesn't necessarily make it right. That being said I have no idea
> what he should be getting paid. Maybe he's not getting enough...

There are heads of charities getting that and more.

>
> All this being said the major story in all of this is that the union is
> running a deficit. They need more money and the only way to get the cash
> is to raise union dues or lower expenses. Kinda makes you wonder what's
> motivating NAPE's negitiating team when they ask the government for more
> tax payer money. Give the workers more money so they can raise dues to
> pay off administration expences.

If you think that, then it says a lot about you and your publications right
wing pholosophies.
Lets ban unions altogether and pay the peasants what we can get away
with....

Snipe

>
> Jon_

[Snipe]

"I Don't Give A Damn" <IDontGiv...@netscape.net> wrote in message

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> exactly and also heads of corporations have 5-8 years of University
> under their belts and many more years working their way up the corporate
> ladder.

Who told you that? There are hundreds of CEO's of corporations with NO
post-secondary education. Sure, I know people in this city who are worth
twice what Puddister is and can hardly spell their name.

snipe

[Snipe]

"Darryl Harding" <f6ce...@nf.aibn.com> wrote in message

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> 350 thousands dollars for the president and the secratary treasurer
> between them is too much money for the positions when the unions has to
> take from the defense fun to pay the bills in order to continue to
> operate.....period....

Daryl I tend to agree that the salaries may be on the high side, but I can
also see why they are what they are?

> it is not a matter of comparing to a corporation head, he is the leader
> of a financially dying union......period

A dying Union? Now Darryl you know better than that. Nape is FAR from
being in financial hardship.

Let me get this straight. You are telling me that the administrative costs
of NAPE are more than $12,000,000/year
I don't think so. I'm sure that info would be easy enough to get from NAPE
itself. (average $50/month dues x 20,000 members x 12 mths =12 mil)

>
> let him live on 200 a week in strike pay if he wants the union to
> strike.....take away his form of earning a living as well and i tell
> you he will not hurt near as much as the rank and file will.....

I thank that is obvious. But you make it sound like the rank and file are
sheep. It was the rank and file who voted in favor of a strike based on the
information that government put forward regarding concessions that they
wanted. And there were plenty!

> and besides, what has he done to deserve that kind of money.....it
> simply comes with the position.

Darryl there are plenty of bureaucrats in government making the same amount.
So, tell me what have they done to deserve their pay?

>....and again i say it is too much,

I respect your opinion. I'm kind of on the fence.

> fact it is laughable, our politicians are the highest paid in canada

And, what have they done to deserve that? Most of them are stealing a
paycheck

>.....meanwhile the regular joes are starved and taxed to death....

Amen brother, I can vouch for that ...:-(

>.and those fat assed high paid
> politicians and union heads are the ones that decide when and where the
> rank and file hits the streets.....pathetic

Again, it's not totally the union heads that decide whether they hit the
streets. However, government plays a major role in deciding when they hit
the streets and when they return. The government ALWAYS has the upper hand.

snipe

[Darryl Harding]

chaz,

i dont know why yu just dont go buy an independat paper and read it for
yourself, the unions own sec treas describes the futre of the union as
in peril......

look it up my son

dsarryl

[Darryl Harding]

while i agree that the offices have a big mandate and lots of
responsibility, in my humble opinion, they are grossly overpaid

Darryl

[Brocky]

I also think Leo is over paid. I mean look at him he's a pimp for NAPE,
thats why he's the leader and where he is today. Good for one thing kissing
ass.

"I Don't Give A Damn" <IDontGiv...@netscape.net> wrote in message

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[Jon Drover]

"Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:baJ8c.23409$A_2.1...@news20.bellglobal.com:

> But, you pointed me to a dead end.

Pick up a copy of the newspaper. Its not a dead end...

>> First of all, does this make it right?
>
> Yes. That's what unions are all about. Fair compunsation for
> services provided.

You missed my point but while we are on this topic who determines what is
fair compensation for wages provided?

>>Second of all, have you ever seen what Leo does in the run of a day
>
> Yes!

So you know that he's not worth that much...

>>and thirdly, just for kicks, name one political crony that makes more
>>than
> Leo.
>
> Bill Wells

Never heard of him. What's his story?

>> > Point out 1 person who heads a corporation or organization
>> > with 20,000 employees or members who is making less than puddister.
>
> I also asked a question...what's your answer?

I have no idea but again this is a union, not a corporation.

>> All this being said the major story in all of this is that the union
>> is running a deficit. They need more money and the only way to get
>> the cash is to raise union dues or lower expenses. Kinda makes you
>> wonder what's motivating NAPE's negitiating team when they ask the
>> government for more tax payer money. Give the workers more money so
>> they can raise dues to pay off administration expences.
>
> If you think that, then it says a lot about you and your publications
> right wing pholosophies.

I didn't say that, nor did "my publication". The Sunday Independent
printed what was given to it by a union member. It's fact.

> Lets ban unions altogether and pay the peasants what we can get away
> with....

Peasents? Banning unions? Where was that mentioned anywhere? Sounds
like someone has an inferiority complex.

Jon_

[Snipe]

"Jon Drover" <j...@drover.caNOSPAM> wrote in message

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> "Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:baJ8c.23409$A_2.1...@news20.bellglobal.com:
>
>
> > But, you pointed me to a dead end.
>
> Pick up a copy of the newspaper. Its not a dead end...

If it's as unpolished as your online presence. No thanks!

> >> First of all, does this make it right?
> >
> > Yes. That's what unions are all about. Fair compunsation for
> > services provided.
>
> You missed my point but while we are on this topic who determines what is
> fair compensation for wages provided?

No! You missed the point! It's determined by the employee and the employer
based on a number of criteria - market value, supply & demand, skill set
etc.

>
> >>Second of all, have you ever seen what Leo does in the run of a day
> >
> > Yes!
>
> So you know that he's not worth that much...

No! I'm not convinced. Why is he not worth that much?

> >>and thirdly, just for kicks, name one political crony that makes more
> >>than
> > Leo.
> >
> > Bill Wells
>
> Never heard of him. What's his story?

For someone who is publisher of a "newspaper" and I use that term newspaper
loosely. You are not very informed. Bill Wells is the CEO of Newfoundland
Hydro. Ever hear of it? ;-)

> >> > Point out 1 person who heads a corporation or organization
> >> > with 20,000 employees or members who is making less than puddister.
> >
> > I also asked a question...what's your answer?
>
> I have no idea but again this is a union, not a corporation.

And your point is? We are talking about heading similar size
organizations. Whether it's a union, a corporate organization or a baseball
franchise what difference does it make? The fact of the matter is, you will
be hard pressed to find someone making less.

>
> >> All this being said the major story in all of this is that the union
> >> is running a deficit. They need more money and the only way to get
> >> the cash is to raise union dues or lower expenses. Kinda makes you
> >> wonder what's motivating NAPE's negitiating team when they ask the
> >> government for more tax payer money. Give the workers more money so
> >> they can raise dues to pay off administration expences.
> >
> > If you think that, then it says a lot about you and your publications
> > right wing pholosophies.
>
> I didn't say that, nor did "my publication". The Sunday Independent
> printed what was given to it by a union member. It's fact.

"Kinda makes you wonder what's motivating NAPE's negitiating team when they
ask the government for more tax payer money. Give the workers more money so
they can raise dues to pay off administration expences."

You didn't say that! The above comment was what I was referring to, not
whatever was printed in "your publication" I can't comment on what was in
your paper because I never read it. And, in many ways it is immaterial,
what we are talking about is whether or not the head of a union should be
paid a particular amount. And, all I'm saying is, what makes Puddister any
different than say a Bill Wells who is getting perhaps triple with Puddister
is.

> > Lets ban unions altogether and pay the peasants what we can get away
> > with....
>
> Peasents? Banning unions? Where was that mentioned anywhere? Sounds
> like someone has an inferiority complex.

It wasn't. It was a comment about the typical thought patern of a right
wing radical publication. In any case, I don't know how you can deduce from
that comment that I have an inferiority complex? Your starting to sound
like Ward. <shivers> Now that's scarry!

snipe

>
> Jon_
>

[Snipe]

I wonder how brown your nose would get if you were offered the job. It's a
pretty bad statement when people think that you need to look like Tom Cruz
to be in a leadership position or make any amount of money.

Again, I'm not defending Puddister's paycheck. I just have not heard a good
reason why he shouldn't get paid other than he is stupid or ugly or God
knows whatever other character assassinations were used.

snipe

"Brocky" <jasonan...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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[Darryl Harding]

Snipe,

tell me how you feel about this comment.....If the union is
operating at a loss for three straight years dont you feel it is
incumbent on the union leadership to ?
1. inform the rank and file of this matter and
2. to show leadership by cutting back on operating costs instead of
borrowing fromthe defense fund to keep operating costs paid, and,
3. shouldnt one of those savings be better control of the biggest
expense of all, wages?

thanks
Darryl

[Snipe]

"Darryl Harding" <f6ce...@nf.aibn.com> wrote in message

news:NeT8c.125244$IF6.4...@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...

> Snipe,
>
> tell me how you feel about this comment.....If the union is
> operating at a loss for three straight years dont you feel it is
> incumbent on the union leadership to ?
> 1. inform the rank and file of this matter and

Darryl there is a financial audit done every year. The financial statements
are accessible to the membership.

> 2. to show leadership by cutting back on operating costs instead of
> borrowing fromthe defense fund to keep operating costs paid,

Sure they have to show leadership. How do you know they haven't cut back
operating costs? Again, I don't know what their strategy was and unless you
were at their AGM and got a detailed account of how and why the money was
spent as it was neither you nor I are qualified to answer that question.

> 3. shouldnt one of those savings be better control of the biggest
> expense of all, wages?

That would be an oxymoron. A union cutting wages ;-) Who knows what their
accountants are up to and/or why. Perhaps, like others they took a huge hit
on the stock market as many other large investors did over the past few
years. Remember Darryl...Nothing is ever as it appears.

snipe

[Darryl Harding]

i will try again.....

it seems you missed the point of my questions.....

the defense fund belongs to the rank and file, it is their security blanket in times of need...... should the Defense Fund be used to pay down the operating costs of the executive and the office staff of the union at all????

thanks
Darryl

>
>

[Snipe]

I don't think I missed you point. It's just that what you are saying does
not make a lot of sense to me. It's all accounting/budgeting. Really, what
difference does it make. The union dues are used to cover ALL operating
costs. So, if you decide that next year you budget less for contingency and
more of operating cost what is the difference? If for instance they collect
say 15 million/year and decide that 10 mil is going to the contingency plan
and 5 mil to cover admin. What if part way through the year they have an
unforeseen increase in lawyer fees or increase in taxes etc. So they pay
for those incurred costs from the contingency fund. So what? If they had
foreseen the additional costs they would have only put 8 mil in the
contingency fund and had 7 mil for operating. The bottom line is the same
Darryl no matter how you slice it.

There is no doubt there could be some belt tightening to achieve some
savings but cutting Puddister's or anyone else's salary in half will not
happen. I think that would be a little counter-productive for a union don't
you think Besides, his salary, as with others is decided upon by Board of
Directors. who are voted in by the rank and file. You can disapprove of it
all you want. It is felt to be fare by B of D of the union. Just as the
president, vice-president of the university are. Do I think the president
of the university should make 500,000 per year including benefits? No!
While tuition and fees are raised almost every year (except for the past 2)
to pay for increased administration costs. Many may disagree with me but
that's ok. We are all entitles to our opinion.

Gees, that was long winded one. ;-)

snipe

"Darryl Harding" <f6ce...@nf.aibn.com> wrote in message

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[Darryl Harding]

i didnt see an answer to my question.....so i guess i will let it go

darryl

[Snipe]

"Darryl Harding" <f6ce...@nf.aibn.com> wrote in message

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> i didnt see an answer to my question.....so i guess i will let it go

That's not to say I didn't answer it. You just refuse to accept my answer.
But I agree. I think we have beaten it to death. We'll agree to disagree.

snipe

[Jon Drover]

"Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in

>
>> Pick up a copy of the newspaper. Its not a dead end...
>
>
> If it's as unpolished as your online presence. No thanks!

Good reason to deny facts.... because a website is unpolished...

>> You missed my point but while we are on this topic who determines
>> what is fair compensation for wages provided?
>
> No! You missed the point! It's determined by the employee and the
> employer based on a number of criteria - market value, supply &
> demand, skill set etc.

Exactly, so its not based on the fact that another person is making
more... as you stated in the first post.

> No! I'm not convinced. Why is he not worth that much?

What do other union leaders make?

> For someone who is publisher of a "newspaper" and I use that term
> newspaper loosely. You are not very informed. Bill Wells is the CEO
> of Newfoundland Hydro. Ever hear of it? ;-)

I'm not the publisher of a newspaper. Where did I say that? Where did
you get that information? I am guy that lived in Europe for four years
and just moved home about seven months ago. I don't think you're very
informed.

>> I have no idea but again this is a union, not a corporation.
>
> And your point is? We are talking about heading similar size
> organizations. Whether it's a union, a corporate organization or a
> baseball franchise what difference does it make? The fact of the
> matter is, you will be hard pressed to find someone making less.

There is a big difference in profit vs. non-profit organizations. Again,
because someone is not making less doesn't necessarily mean he's worth
more or less. You are contradicting what you stated above.

> "Kinda makes you wonder what's motivating NAPE's negitiating team when
> they ask the government for more tax payer money. Give the workers
> more money so they can raise dues to pay off administration expences."
>
> You didn't say that!

Correct, I said that, so don't refer to that statement as coming from "my
publication".

> The above comment was what I was referring to,
> not whatever was printed in "your publication" I can't comment on
> what was in your paper because I never read it. And, in many ways it
> is immaterial, what we are talking about is whether or not the head of
> a union should be paid a particular amount. And, all I'm saying is,
> what makes Puddister any different than say a Bill Wells who is
> getting perhaps triple with Puddister is.

Profit vs. non-profit. But where is it written that Bill Wells makes
more than Leo Puddister? And even if he is making more money why should
Leo be paid the same as a company set up for profit?

> It wasn't. It was a comment about the typical thought patern of a
> right wing radical publication.

Is this the Sunday Independent that you are referring to? The same
Sunday Independent which you claim you don't read? OR are you referring
to MY comment again but attributing it to the Sunday Independent. I made
those statements NOT the Sunday Independent. Please find just ONE thing
in the Sunday Independent that is right wing OR radical and post it here.

Jon_

[Snipe]

 

"Jon Drover" <j...@drover.caNOSPAM> wrote in message news:Xns94BB174918F78...@192.75.13.113...

> "Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in

>
> Good reason to deny facts.... because a website is unpolished...

I'm not denying anything!  You didn't point me to any facts pal, you pointed me to a dead end on "your" site.

Btw.  In case you have not noticed it yet...no everything that is printed is fact.

 

> >> You missed my point but while we are on this topic who determines
> >> what is fair compensation for wages provided?
> >
> > No! You missed the point!  It's determined by the employee and the
> > employer based on a number of criteria - market value, supply &
> > demand, skill set etc.
>
> Exactly, so its not based on the fact that another person is making
> more... as you stated in the first post.

And, where did I state that?  Is it really that difficult to understand?.  Like I've said, if you would like to read it with a shred of objectivity...based on similar positions, providing leadership to x number individuals, in high profile positions than the compensation is not that out of wack.  Period.

 

>
> > No! I'm not convinced.  Why is he not worth that much?
>
> What do other union leaders make?

 

Was that not part of your "in-depth report"? <tong in cheek> If not, it should have been.  But then you wouldn't have a tabloid like story though would you?

> > For someone who is publisher of a "newspaper"  and I use that term
> > newspaper loosely.  You are not very informed.  Bill Wells is the CEO
> > of Newfoundland Hydro.  Ever hear of it?  ;-)
>
> I'm not the publisher of a newspaper.  Where did I say that?  Where did
> you get that information?  I am guy that lived in Europe for four years
> and just moved home about seven months ago.  I don't think you're very
> informed. 

"Ward Pike and Jon Drover, the paper’s founders, will continue their involvement with the paper, serving on a five-member publishing board."

Taken from "The Sunday Independent".   If they are talking about different Jon Drover, let me know.

 

 
> >> I have no idea but again this is a union, not a corporation.
> >
> > And your point is?   We are talking about heading similar size
> > organizations.  Whether it's a union, a corporate organization or a
> > baseball franchise what difference does it make?  The fact of the
> > matter is, you will be hard pressed to find someone making less.
>
> There is a big difference in profit vs. non-profit organizations.  Again,
> because someone is not making less doesn't necessarily mean he's worth
> more or less.  You are contradicting what you stated above.

 

No I'm not.  It's you who don't know what your talking about.  Who are you or anyone else unaffiliated with the union to determine what is fair compensation for the president.  They have an executive board that brings the info to their conventions and those who pay their dues make the decisions.

Very democratic don't you think?

 

>
> > "Kinda makes you wonder what's motivating NAPE's negitiating team when
> > they ask the government for more tax payer money.  Give the workers
> > more money so they can raise dues to pay off administration expences."
> >
> > You didn't say that! 
>
> Correct, I said that, so don't refer to that statement as coming from "my
> publication". 

"All this being said the major story in all of this is that the union is
running a deficit.  They need more money and the only way to get the cash

is to raise union dues or lower expenses.  Kinda makes you wonder what's

motivating NAPE's negitiating team when they ask the government for more
tax payer money.  Give the workers more money so they can raise dues to
pay off administration expences." 

Is that not your quote"?  Well than Jon you had got to get better at separating yourself from the Publication.  You start out by referencing the story and the content of the article and finish by giving us a little insight into what you hoped readers might take from the story. 

>
> > The above comment was what I was referring to,
> > not whatever was printed in "your publication"  I can't comment on
> > what was in your paper because I never read it.  And, in many ways it
> > is immaterial, what we are talking about is whether or not the head of
> > a union should be paid a particular amount.   And, all I'm saying is,
> > what makes Puddister any different than say a Bill Wells who is
> > getting perhaps triple with Puddister is.
>
> Profit vs. non-profit.  But where is it written that Bill Wells makes
> more than Leo Puddister?  

 

Jon that is not difficult to find...send out a one of your astute reporters.

 

>And even if he is making more money why should
> Leo be paid the same as a company set up for profit?

Jon it's all for profit.  Bill Wells has share holders who demand return.  The Union has share holders who demand return. 

 

That's what I mean about right wing...why are people that somehow garnish a profit for their shareholders any more important or worth more than someone who seeks to lead a group for some other cause?  Union leaders are looking to garnish profit as well...only it's not for the greedy aristocrat 
snipe

[Jon Drover]

"Snipe" <compu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:7Gbac.3111$j57.4...@news20.bellglobal.com:

> I'm not denying anything! You didn't point me to any facts pal, you =

> pointed me to a dead end on "your" site.

> Btw. In case you have not noticed it yet...no everything that is =
> printed is fact.

So now what the Sunday Independent printed is not fact. Don't shoot the
messenger...

> And, where did I state that? Is it really that difficult to =

> understand?. Like I've said, if you would like to read it with a

> shred = of objectivity...based on similar positions, providing
> leadership to x = number individuals, in high profile positions than
> the compensation is = not that out of wack. Period.

You're still missing my point... Who cares if its a fat cat on top of
Aliant, Hydro or NAPE, its still a fat cat making to much money on the
backs of their memebers.

>> What do other union leaders make?
>
> Was that not part of your "in-depth report"? <tong in cheek> If not,

> it = should have been. But then you wouldn't have a tabloid like
> story = though would you?

For a guy that doesn't read the Sunday Independent you seam to "know"
everything that was in it. The Independent published documents that were
passed to it from NAPE. They didn't get any documents from CUPE, NLTA etc.
So again stop avoiding the question. Lets get the salaries of the other
union members on the table so we can compare apples to apples.

> "Ward Pike and Jon Drover, the paper's founders, will continue their =

> involvement with the paper, serving on a five-member publishing
> board." Taken from "The Sunday Independent". If they are talking

> about = different Jon Drover, let me know.

Yup, that's me! I don't have anything to do with the editorial content of
the paper though.

> No I'm not. It's you who don't know what your talking about. Who are

> = you or anyone else unaffiliated with the union to determine what is
> fair = compensation for the president. They have an executive board
> that = brings the info to their conventions and those who pay their
> dues make = the decisions. Very democratic don't you think?

Very democratic, I do think. I've already stated that I don't know what he
should be paid but from what NAPE members have been telling me, they didn't
know he made that much and they think its too high. How democratic is that
process again?

> Is that not your quote"? Well than Jon you had got to get better at =

> separating yourself from the Publication. You start out by

> referencing = the story and the content of the article and finish by
> giving us a = little insight into what you hoped readers might take
> from the story. =20

What is wrong with quoting something in a publication and then adding a
comment on it. This is what is done on this board everyday! How should I
have done it? I need to know so I don't mix you up next time.

>> Profit vs. non-profit. But where is it written that Bill Wells

>> makes=20 more than Leo Puddister? =20
>
> Jon that is not difficult to find...send out a one of your astute =
> reporters.

Avoiding the question again. You use this as an argument but you cannot
point me to a source. How much does Bill Wells make?

>>And even if he is making more money why should=20

>> Leo be paid the same as a company set up for profit?
>

> Jon it's all for profit. Bill Wells has share holders who demand =
> return. The Union has share holders who demand return. =20

They demand returns on what? Union dues? So lets get this straight, my
tax dollars are being bargained so that public workers can make more money
to pay more union dues to make the share-holders of NAPE more money.
Amazing...

> That's what I mean about right wing...why are people that somehow =

> garnish a profit for their shareholders any more important or worth

> more = than someone who seeks to lead a group for some other cause?

NAPE ain't makin' no profit. They're losing money and borrowing from the
defence fund to pay these salaries and admin costs. How do you feel about
this? If I were a NAPE member I'd be pissed that the fat cats at the top
of my organization are getting fatter off the backs of their members.

> Union leaders are looking to garnish profit as well...

I would like to believe that unions are set up to benefit their members.
Their primamry goals should be to benefit their members. If they make some
money at the end of the day then great! If there is some sort of dividend
that is paid back to its members at the end of the day then that's great
too. Maybe they could just lower the dues. But according to the NAPE
member I just finished having coffee with, they do NOT think that the union
is set up to make money on the backs of their members and especially when
they're running a deficit.

> only it's not for the greedy aristocrat

Nope, its not a greedy aristocrat, its a greedy union president. What's
the difference?

Jon_

[DARRYL HARDING]

HI SNIPE,

i think this is the facts ta you wanted..
nape operates on an 8 milion dollar a year budget for its executive and
offics help a total of 33 people
of that 8 million dollars 7.7 million of that comes from union dues and
100000 comes from rental income leaving a defiicit yearly of over 200000
dollars

of this 8 million dollars needed to run the union.....almost 4 million
is directly used for salaries and benifits for the staff and elected
members of the executive....3.4 million dollars in salaries and benefits
for 33 people?????

in order to cope with yearly deficits, the executive draws funds from
the defense fund of the union.....in 2001 the defense fund was at 8
million....as of the last quarter of 2003 the defense fund had been
diminished to 4.2 million dollars......LESSS THAN HALF!!!!

the office staff and executive have been given from 12 per cent to 18
percent over the last two years with leo puddister getting hte lions
share of 18 percent....they all get cars or car allowances while
diminidhing the strike fund by four million dollars to do it..........

and this is the executive that has told the members they should
strike????????? on 50 percent of the strike fund????????

thoughts??

if you need any more info contact me and you can have more if you like....

Darryl

Snipe wrote:

> "Jon Drover" <j...@drover.caNOSPAM <mailto:j...@drover.caNOSPAM>> wrote
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