I used to vote NDP
Mr Ryan
opposition....picking at everthing...and always going on and on and on......
There is always room for improvement but I think the social assistance
system is pretty good relative to other places. At least the drug dealer
living in the housing unit near me looks ok......and the unit with 5
sattelite dishes outside........and the scully kids with $50 baseball hats
with matching $100 hoodies........
...I guess these people didn't slip through the cracks.
matt.j...@gmail.com
I suggest you look a little deeper than the hat on someone's head.
PS "picking at everything" as you call it, IS the oppositions job. Put
the PC's on the other side of the house, and I guarantee you things
would be no different.
barb penney
wrong, I have a cousin on social assistance and let me tell you her kids do
have the 50 dollar hats and the hooties, she gets alot of the clothes on
sale she dont pay the full price, but why should the kids do without and be
made fun of by the other kids, now her house is clean but not the best of
funiture and she never really does anything but her kids are welled looked
after, Her point is why should her 2 kids have to do without. And i agree
with her. her vow is to never let her kids know she is poor. And this is
what she gets every month, 374 from social services and 5hundred and
something from child tax credit and 180 child support. Plus she is in
housing and her rent is paid 2hundred and something. Now thats not alot of
money. The problem with social services is alot of people are ripping them
off and they should have more workers looking into that.
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Charles
"barb penney" <barbp...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote
>her vow is to never let her kids know she is poor
Absolutely no offence intended here, Barb but if that is her approach, then
she is dreaming; it isn't possible. The kids already know that their family
is poor.
I think it is much better to be honest about family finances with your
children.
barb penney
its hard enough for the adults to worry about that let alone kids. they know
that they are not rich but they dont know there poor, they dont know how bad
off they are and i dont think they should. Maybe when they get abit older
they will relize but as of right now they dont. and they are 6 and 13. And
no offence taken.
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J Bisflik
Yup, drive down Murray Street behind the 'projects' on Empire Ave.
It looks like a NASA station!
J Bisflik
> why would you want your children to know about family finances, sometimes
> its hard enough for the adults to worry about that let alone kids. they know
> that they are not rich but they dont know there poor, they dont know how bad
> off they are and i dont think they should. Maybe when they get abit older
> they will relize but as of right now they dont. and they are 6 and 13. And
>
> news:g0h8ms$bs8$1...@news.datemas.de...
>
>
>
> > "barb penney" <barbpen...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote
> >>her vow is to never let her kids know she is poor
>
> > Absolutely no offence intended here, Barb but if that is her approach,
> > then she is dreaming; it isn't possible. The kids already know that their
> > family is poor.
>
> > I think it is much better to be honest about family finances with your
> > children.
This is idiotic. So, because this family is on Welfare, they should
spend money to make sure the kids don't look poor?
Charles
the realities of life. IMHO, sheltering a 13 year old in particular from
those realities is potentially harmful but I think this delusion probably
exists only in the mind of this mother. No normal 13 year old in school
today is oblivious to his or her family's economic status.
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barb penney
are ripping it off, but the thing he said about the scully kids and there
hats and clothes is crazy, why wouldnt you want your kids to have nice
things. And what is the right age to start talking to your kids about money?
I was in the car the other day and came out from paying some bills and i
just happen to say to my husband "shit im broke now" and my little girls
face just dropped and we were taking her into walmart to get something for
her out of her money that she got for her first communion and she turn
around and said I dont want to go to walmart mom , you can have my money. I
was like shit what did i just say.
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Charles
always talked about budgeting and family finances with our children. Since
we do, our kids feel free to ask practically any question about money. They
know what we make, what our mortgage payment is, the car payment, light
bill, insurance, what it costs to fill up the car, the grocery
bill...everything and anything they care to ask about. Obviously we didn't
sit them down and tell them all that at the same time, the scope of their
knowledge was gained over the years, driven purely by their questions. They
know the importance of saving and are much better at it than I would have
expected. They also know about credit, what it costs and the importance of
using it properly and responsibly.
It is my opinion, taken in large part from working with older children in
their teens and from observing many young working adults just starting out,
that financial education is severely lacking among this group. This is due,
in large part, not only to little or no emphasis on the topic in schools but
also to the taboo most parents attach to discussing it. Again, no offence
but IMHO your daughter's reaction to your "I'm broke" statement came from
fear based upon a lack of knowledge.
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barb penney
about money to my son he is 15 now and he has a parttime job in the winter
and i have to say he is good with saving money.But i dont think if i was
truly broke i would want them to know. i think i will have to get into it
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Guy Incognito
raising kids that learn the same. The system propogates itself. They grow up
learning that they don't have to go out and get a job, they can just live
off the government teet. Mabye sell some drugs and stolen merchandise on the
side.
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> There is an entire subculture of people that abuse the system, and they
> are raising kids that learn the same.
And these are the people who went "Ca-ching" when danny announced his $1000
get "knocked up" bonus.
Marie
issue. I've worked since I was 17 (and I had a time in my life on welfare
when I was growing up). When my two sons needed new clothes be it hats or
jackets, they got what I could afford. I wasn't poor by any means, but I'm
far from rich as well. I live in an area where there is a lot of subsidized
housing and I agree that there are an awful lot of well dressed kids in this
neighborhood not to mention the welfare recipients who can afford Florida
vacations, beer, lottery tickets, bingo - and that's a fact not heresay.
I've been at the store when the mother buys $80 worth of tobacco, 3 dozen
beer, $10 worth of rip opens and when her small child (5 years old or
thereabouts) asks for a bag of cheezies, she is told to put them back
because she can't afford them. With all the jobs going begging today (they
are talking about bringing in immigants to fill them), no one under the age
of 50 should be allowed to collect welfare. If you are too damn lazy to get
off your fat duff and go out to work, then the hand outs stop.
M
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Snipe
Charles wrote:
>
>
> I think it is much better to be honest about family finances with your
> children.
Absolutely!
Snipe
barb penney wrote:
> why would you want your children to know about family finances, sometimes
> its hard enough for the adults to worry about that let alone kids.
I don't want to speak for Charles but I'm pretty sure he is not
suggesting that you burden your children with your family's financial
situation. However, it is very important to discuss the realities of
life. Unfortunately, most kids learn about their family finances from
the constant fighting between the adults in the home over who's spending
what on who. Over 90% of all marriage breakups are attributable to
financial problems.
Parents over-compensating by going in debt or not paying bills to ensure
that their children have a certain brand of hoody or whatever is not
teaching them anything and only bringing further stress upon the family.
Talk openly about the "budget". You'd be surprised how many families
operate without a budget. It's the equivalent to building a house
without plans.
If a mother wants to ensure that her children have more than she does
she need to teach them sound financial fundamentals.
As Charles said, don't think for a minute they don't know that the
mother is cash poor. They also need to know why.
snipe
barb penney
having a baby, i can see what is going to happen here, all the drug addicts
will be thinking easy money, if he wanted to be so stupid and do something
like that it should just be for people that has been married for a few
years. But i really think that was a big mistake on his part
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cloudreamer
> i dont understand why danny would do that give a 1000 dollars to someone for
> having a baby, i can see what is going to happen here, all the drug addicts
> will be thinking easy money, if he wanted to be so stupid and do something
> like that it should just be for people that has been married for a few
> years. But i really think that was a big mistake on his part
It's a one time payment. If people reacted to that for a one time
payment, imagine what they're doing since Harpie introduced the $100 a
month child care benefit.
That's money down the toilet to anyone that stays home anyway.
And according to more than one convenience store owner/employees I've
spoken to, many spend it on "beer and popcorn..."
..
--
We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.
barb penney
dont you put back some of your beer and you could get her the chips. might
get a punch in the face for it. lol
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markwa...@hotmail.com
> When my tax dollars are paying for the $50 hats and $100 jackets I have an
> issue. I've worked since I was 17 (and I had a time in my life on welfare
> when I was growing up). When my two sons needed new clothes be it hats or
> jackets, they got what I could afford. I wasn't poor by any means, but I'm
> far from rich as well. I live in an area where there is a lot of subsidized
> housing and I agree that there are an awful lot of well dressed kids in this
> neighborhood not to mention the welfare recipients who can afford Florida
> vacations, beer, lottery tickets, bingo - and that's a fact not heresay.
> I've been at the store when the mother buys $80 worth of tobacco, 3 dozen
> beer, $10 worth of rip opens and when her small child (5 years old or
> thereabouts) asks for a bag of cheezies, she is told to put them back
> because she can't afford them. With all the jobs going begging today (they
> are talking about bringing in immigants to fill them), no one under the age
> of 50 should be allowed to collect welfare. If you are too damn lazy to get
> off your fat duff and go out to work, then the hand outs stop.
>
> M
I sincerely hope the views expressed in this post are not your own and
if, by chance they are, you are not in a position to make impostant
decisions that affect others. Two things in particular bother me about
this post. First, it is unsettling how easily you perpetuate
stereotypes regarding individuals on "welfare" (or social assistance
or income suport as it is currently labeled). I feel it is
irresponsible to publically post a response here that is filled with
such rhetoric as depicting individuals on welfare as buying smokes,
beer and lotto all the time and being too lazy to work. I admit that
there are people out there who do abuse the system (such free-riding
becomes an issue with any sort of public goods dilemma). However,
these individuals comprise a very small minority (likely 4-7% of all
cases). Most individuals who avail of this service do so because they
need to. Also, every HRLE office accoss NL has a number of private
investigators who address reposts of abuse. It was like this 10 years
ago when I worked with social assistance (back when HRLE was known as
HRE) and nothing has changed. Moreover, if you strongly feel that
someone is abusing the system then you can anonymously report it for
further investigation. However, posting such information is, in fact,
heresay...and it is also prejudice. I deeply hope you do not feel the
same way about many of the culturally diverse individuals that
currently call NL home.
Second, it is not up to you to decide who gets to avail of monies
allocated to the "welfare" system. Such decisions are made by those
who are qualified to do so (which they do to the best of their
ability). Such monies are there for anyone who needs it, regardless of
gender, age, and ethinicity. And yes, this province is currently
trying to attract more immigrants to live here and fill job vacancies
( in accordance with the immigratation strategy). I recently completed
research for federal government through the ANC on how to better
integrate immigrants into our local workforce and I can assure you
that such efforts are necessary. Moreover, such job vacancies are for
highly skilled and trained individuals....jobs that your "welfare
bums" would not qualify...unless they have a PhD or a Master's degree.
A final note on that point....such jobs hire the BEST candidate
regardless of whether he/she is from NL or India.
I realize that you likely did not mean any harm when you posted this.
However, pertetuating such inaccurate stereotypes has to stop! It is
not fair to the majority of social assistance users who are good,
honest people to be cast in such a light.
Mark
Jason
> I feel it is irresponsible to publically post a response here that is
> filled with
> such rhetoric as depicting individuals on welfare as buying smokes, beer
> and lotto all the time and being too lazy to work.
I once had a fellow ask me "Why should I have to work?" His point was that
if the government is going to "pay him to stay home", why bother working?
I fully understand that this is not the view of all welfare recipents but it
is the view of more then one.
barb penney
getting some help. and because there is alot of people do rip of the system
doesnt mean they all do. How many woman are out there that are stay at home
moms and there husband works for the family. what if he just up and left,
what would they do for money if they have no skills. Is it wrong for them to
get alittle help from social services marie. I dont think so. Im sitting
here now and if my husband left me tomorrow i would need abit of help
because im only working part-time at a place to get abit of my own money
and so we dont have to pay for a babysitter, he is what you would say the
bread winner in the family. Would that me wrong of me to get abit of help
because im not 50
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> Now I am sick of listening to Lorraine Michaels. She is like the old liberal
> opposition....picking at everthing...
Hey, Liz: that's what oppositions do.
Wallace J.McLean
> PS "picking at everything" as you call it, IS the oppositions job. Put
> the PC's on the other side of the house, and I guarantee you things
> would be no different.
They weren't.
jeff smallwood
The Bloc pushed them into fourth position and when the Greens come of
age they'll fall to fifth.
Now they're praying the Rhino Party doesn't return and push them into
obscurity altogether.
Carter
> NDP are dead
>
> The Bloc pushed them into fourth position and when the Greens come of
> age they'll fall to fifth.
>
> Now they're praying the Rhino Party doesn't return and push them into
> obscurity altogether.
Actually Jeff the NDP already lives in obscurity. Judging by
it's influence on the Canadian political scene it is largely
irrelevant. In this province it is absolutely irrelevant.
Unfortunately so is the provincial Liberal party. If the federal
Liberals don't soon dump their so called leader they will start
down that same road, to obscurity.
Carter
jeff smallwood
Carter wrote:
> jeff smallwood wrote:
> > NDP are dead
> >
> > The Bloc pushed them into fourth position and when the Greens come of
> > age they'll fall to fifth.
> >
> > Now they're praying the Rhino Party doesn't return and push them into
> > obscurity altogether.
>
> Actually Jeff the NDP already lives in obscurity.
I was being polite.