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Michael Wallack

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May 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/2/00
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There are people collecting money for a group that pretends to be
("We're just the same as..) the CNIB, but they are not anything to do
with that organization. They are the "Canadian Association for the
Blind" and are really just someone in NS and paid "fund raisers". They
were in the East End of St. John's last night.


All they do is give out tax receipts and a one page handout expressing
concern for the blind. They look official, have a photo id and 800
number and a book of tax receipts but that's all there is. No
activities, no office, nothing.

I've seen the same people before using other organization names that are
similar to real ones. They use the same methods each time.

The oddity is that Revenue Canada seems to be willing to give them a
number to facilitate the scam. So even if you don't contribute to them
directly you support the hoax and undermine real charities by paying tax
on their behalf.

See this item in the Ottawa Citizen:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/columnists/cote/991028/3059584.html

[start quote]
"Be sure you know where your charity is going
The Canadian Council of the Blind is getting a little concerned that
charity
money destined to it is going to a little-known organization using a
similar sounding name which pays a professional fund-raiser to solicit
donations.

The CCB recently pointed out that the other organization calls itself
the
Canadian Association of the Blind (CAB), and that it is conducting a
door-to-door fund-raising campaign in this area and has been for some
time.
Both the CCB and the CAB are registered charities.

Mary Williams, co-ordinator for client services for the CNIB, says that
her
organization works closely with the Canadian Council of the Blind but
has no
contact with the CAB, an organization she says is one-man association
operating out of Nova Scotia.

"I am not aware of one blind person in this area who has received
services
from the CAB," she said, while pointing out the CNIB does a substantial
amount of work with the CCB.

Ms. Williams says she has received inquiries from area residents who
were led
to believe by CAB canvassers that the CAB had a relationship with the
CNIB
when, in fact, there is none.

"People have to be cautious," Ms. Williams said. "[end quote]

Joe

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May 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/3/00
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About an hour after I read this post my doorbell rang and guess who was
calling? Canadian Association of the Blind (CAB) Once I saw the photo ID
(which looks like it was drawn with a crayon!) I said no thank you and
closed the door. I came back down and read the scam alert post and was
curious, so I went outside and called the lady back inside. She danced
around the topic and said she answered an AD in the paper to get paid to
solicit funds door to door. She left her number and name and I read the
handout, it has to be a scam.

Kimber

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May 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/3/00
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Is it really a scam or is it that an organization from another province,
taking advantage of what a company here in town is offering.... canvassers
to get donations?... and while i've mentioned that, i'll turn from the topic
a little tiny bit.... I've been a little amazed by the new groups that are
fundraising, I bluntly ask if they are volunteers for the actual group or
are they paid canvassers and then make my decision... the problem that is
occurring though is the problem in getting canvassers for free.... why do it
for free when there is someone out there willing to pay for it, thus the
chances for organizations that are more local, to get people to go door to
door for free gets harder and organizations are forced to go to a company
that pays the canvassers. Check around and see what local charities are
hiring companies that hire canvassers.... it amazed me when I did and I went
to a friend on one of the boards for the well known charity and she
confirmed what I thought... they can't get volunteer canvassers any
longer.... so to get any donations they have to do it this way. So it's not
just a little organization from NB that is doing it... which means that my
charitable dollar gets broke up to pay the canvasser, the company that
employs the canvasser and finally the charitable group gets what is left.

LA

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May 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/3/00
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Make it easy...don't pay the canvesser. And I wouldn't anyway -
they all ignore my No Soliciting sign - so if they can't read -
they're certainly not getting my money. :)

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B Taite

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May 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/3/00
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Here's a site that is really good. about 92%
of your donation gets to the charity of your choice
not like only 10 -20% as with telemarketing and
canvassing contracts

www.charity.ca

.


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4Runner

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May 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/3/00
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Why do you say that only 10-20% of the donation goes to the charity with
canvassing? Where did you get this number from.

Both my wife and I collect for a charity, every dime we collect goes to the
charity.

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LA

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May 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/3/00
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> Both my wife and I collect for a charity, every dime we collect
> goes to the charity.

4Runner....is it policy for charity collectors to ignore No
Soliciting signs?

Kimber

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May 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/3/00
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You and your wife are the rare ones though.... getting volunteers for door to
door campaigns is getting harder and harder... I've heard some well know
charity's are going the route of hiring a company that employs the
canvassers... and it's in those situations where the charity doesn't get the
full 100%... i've never heard it as low as 20% though... closer to a 50/50
deal.

As for the no soliciting sign some one mentioned... I have one too.. some guy
came "knocking" at my door and I found it sooooo ironic that I had to buy one
from him. Still haven't used it though.. it's still a conversation piece


4Runner wrote:

> Why do you say that only 10-20% of the donation goes to the charity with
> canvassing? Where did you get this number from.
>

> Both my wife and I collect for a charity, every dime we collect goes to the
> charity.
>

> "B Taite" <The...@hotmail.ca> wrote in message
> news:8epd4r$u31$1...@nova.thezone.net...
> > Here's a site that is really good. about 92%
> > of your donation gets to the charity of your choice
> > not like only 10 -20% as with telemarketing and
> > canvassing contracts
> >
> > www.charity.ca
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> > "LA" <pkvetN...@mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:09fef970...@usw-ex0107-055.remarq.com...
> > > Make it easy...don't pay the canvesser. And I wouldn't anyway -
> > > they all ignore my No Soliciting sign - so if they can't read -
> > > they're certainly not getting my money. :)
> > >

4Runner

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May 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/3/00
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I have never discussed it with her. As for myself I have never seen one.
However, if I did see one I certainly wouldn't approach the house.

As for getting paid for collecting. The only time we came accross something
like that was selling calanders (Im kinda foggy on the details, personally I
wasn't involved in that one), the seller would get about 10% of the selling
price of the calander and be offered a prize if they had sold a Calander
that was a big winner, the had regular draws over the course of the year.

As for regular canvassing that is just something we do.


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B Taite

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May 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/3/00
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As I said..."canvassing contracts".
Charities sometimes contract out to private
fundraising companies to solicit donations.
The charities may only see 10-20% of the
money raised. The rest is kept by the
company as fees.

Volunteers who collect directly for charities
is a great way to raise money and 100%
goes to the charity.


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Debbie Rothman

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May 4, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/4/00
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I was recently shocked to get a message on my voice mail -- voice mail is
supposed to be even more private than an unlisted phone number -- from a woman
who had bought some candy from a young person who was selling door to door for
some alleged youth group and gave my telephone number as a reference. I had
no idea who the person or organization was, and I had never given my voice mail
number out except to friends and family.
Debbie Rothman
Brooklyn, NY

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