I saw the strangest thing...

NavEEd

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Jul 4, 2006, 9:28:47 AM7/4/06

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Was out for supper last night with the little lady.... And I saw something
and I really didn't know what to make of it.

There was a family sitting at the table, eating thier supper, with the child
in the high chair at the end of the table. Sounds normal enough, correct?
The parents had a portable DVD player set up in front of the kid so he could
watch Barney movies in the restaurant.

Leads me to believe one of a few things. Either the kid is spoiled rotten,
or the parents really do not want to deal with thier child.. To me, it
seems like the kid is more of an accessory than a family member if that's
how they are going to treat him.

Then again parents wonder why kids only have an attention span of about 8
minutes... That's how long it is between commercials *

* (Not a documented fact, just a guesstimate for purposes of illustration.)

davvee

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Jul 4, 2006, 9:34:50 AM7/4/06

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Or...it could be that the parents were wise enough to recognize that if
the child decided to have a tantrum, that it would not only ruin their
dinner, but those people around them. Maybe it was a couple that worked
long hours through the week and decided to have a nice family dinner
out...or maybe they had important matters to discuss without being
disturbed by a child seeking attention. That situation could have been
the result of literally hundreds of situations that you know nothing of.
Instead of making value judgments about a family that you know little
if anything about...why didn't you just enjoy your dinner in peace.

NavEEd

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Jul 4, 2006, 12:46:48 PM7/4/06

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Perhaps I should have expanded.

It was a group of about 8 adults + youngster.

You obviously missed the societal undertones of my post. Then again, you
did a fine job of interpreting the obvious.. And further proving my point.
Sedate child with Television at all costs.. Child was plenty silent.

Dave, if your parents had adult things to discuss they'd find a sitter for
you, I"m willing to bet.

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davvee

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I understand the commentary you were getting at with your thread and to
a degree I agree with you. However, I can't think of anything worse than
sitting close to a screaming kid when I pay good money to eat out. Other
patrons of the restaurant have every right to quiet. The point I make,
is that might be the very reason that the kids parents found a way of
entertaining him while they (and more importantly) others ate.

How would you feel if you had to endure listening to some brat screaming
it's head off while you were trying to eat, and mommy and daddy smiling
and ignoring the kid? Barney would probably look pretty good then.

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Pool Shark

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Jul 4, 2006, 5:11:42 PM7/4/06

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why are you speculating that he was either spoiled or it was its babysitter?
maybe it was his birthday and the dvd player was his new toy? everyone took
their favorite toys with them when they were kids...just this day in age
everything is more technically advanced :)

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So you would replace "good parenting" with a Barney DVD ? And you would do
this because its the easy way out or because you just think its right ?....I
personally dont think a DVD thrown in front of a kid is a good way to teach
anything, and I dont think I would give him a dvd to watch because I was
afraid of what other parents or people will think. I think that talking,
playing, interacting, communicating and paying attention to a child is far
better than playing a DVD for them. Its also funny how you refer to a
screaming child as a brat. Puts a lot of strength behind your opinion. But
hey, whatever floats your boat I guess.

:)

Danimal

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Jul 4, 2006, 6:33:17 PM7/4/06

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Another thing that you could be led to believe is the possibility that there
could be something mentally wrong with the child and the DVD player acts as
a calming device.
On the other hand 95% of the population watches TV while eating their
supper. Who's wrong ? I see this as been no different than taking a favorite
toy along on any family outing.

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Mike

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Jul 4, 2006, 7:34:08 PM7/4/06

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This is one petty argument. So, would it have been alright if the
parents threw crayons and coloring book in front of them to distract
them, would that be ok? Seriously, point me toward the manual that
hands out all this wise advice on what to bring and what not to bring
for a child to a restaraunt, in order to help occupy their time and a
peaceful meal for everyone, not to mention, conform to these silly
beliefs?

Mike

davvee

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You know...when I am in a restaurant good parenting is the last thing on
my mind. However, a nice meal with a bottle of wine is...I could give a
shit about the easy way out for parents....just don't disturb my meal
with your brat...and if Barney keeps it quiet...then so be it.

Danimal

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Snip>This is one petty argument.

You are making it petty with that statment alone.
I'll defend NavEEds right to make an observation. I respect his observation
and his point of view. This is where is starts to become petty when a person
has to explain their response based on the posters point of view.

Snip>So, would it have been alright if the

> parents threw crayons and coloring book in front of them to distract
> them, would that be ok?

Yes Certainly!!!, as for distraction,(with no disrespect to my elders) try
this on if you want to know how a child feels among a bunch of bantering
adults. Go and sit among a bunch of farting old people for an hour and
listen to them go on about their constipation, what they did when they were
your age and how the mauzy weather makes their hips feel.

Snip>Seriously, point me toward the manual that

> hands out all this wise advice on what to bring and what not to bring
> for a child to a restaraunt, in order to help occupy their time and a
> peaceful meal for everyone, not to mention, conform to these silly
> beliefs?

The last time I checked there wasn't any manual. There is no rule as to what
anyone can bring to a restaraunt(within reasonof course), many places to eat
have their own sound systems and a TV . Several restaurants I've been into
do have play areas for kids, they do suppy coloring books and crayons. I've
seen little fellas play with their game boys. Who cares? When I go to a
restaruant, I go there to eat and judge the food not to people.

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Brenda

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Your frequent use of terms such as "brat" and "it" to describe children in
general is offensive and exhibits a maturity level that leads me to believe
you're not even old enough to be served wine in a restaurant. Grow-up! But
for Christ's sake, don't father any kids.

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davvee

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Jul 4, 2006, 9:25:37 PM7/4/06

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"It"...is the term that is used when gender is not established. If you
find my postings offensive...Don't read them.

Brenda wrote:
> Your frequent use of terms such as "brat" and "it" to describe children in
> general is offensive and exhibits a maturity level that leads me to believe
> you're not even old enough to be served wine in a restaurant. Grow-up! But
> for Christ's sake, don't father any kids.
>
>
> "davvee" <nob...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> You know...when I am in a restaurant good parenting is the last thing on
>> my mind. However, a nice meal with a bottle of wine is...I could give a
>> shit about the easy way out for parents....just don't disturb my meal with
>> your brat...and if Barney keeps it quiet...then so be it.
>>

Larry

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> Your frequent use of terms such as "brat" and "it" to describe children in
> general is offensive and exhibits a maturity level that leads me to
> believe you're not even old enough to be served wine in a restaurant.
> Grow-up! But for Christ's sake, don't father any kids.

nothing i focking hate more than konts telling others too grow up. shut
you're dirty konthole! wash that disgusting hole once in an while!

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> "davvee" <nob...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> You know...when I am in a restaurant good parenting is the last thing on
>> my mind. However, a nice meal with a bottle of wine is...I could give a
>> shit about the easy way out for parents....just don't disturb my meal
>> with your brat...and if Barney keeps it quiet...then so be it.
>>

jeff smallwood

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Jul 4, 2006, 11:33:31 PM7/4/06

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NavEEd I agree with you.

A TV is a bit much. A colouring book is one thing but TV isolates.

You can't interact properly with any one of any age watching a TV.
Today many folks use TV as a nanny. Nothing replaces human interaction
and contact. If kids constantly view the world through a TV screen they
are going to be at a big disadvantage down the road.

NavEEd

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Jul 5, 2006, 8:20:01 AM7/5/06

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So, you'd order a good bottle of wine with dinner on a family outing hey?

I hope you don't plan on driving home after that good bottle of wine with
your youngster in the back seat....

"davvee" <nob...@nospam.com> wrote in message

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> You know...when I am in a restaurant good parenting is the last thing on
> my mind. However, a nice meal with a bottle of wine is...I could give a
> shit about the easy way out for parents....just don't disturb my meal with
> your brat...and if Barney keeps it quiet...then so be it.
>

NavEEd

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Jul 5, 2006, 8:23:47 AM7/5/06

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Exactly.. Coloring book, or some sort of toy... Fine.. I'd play
transformers with my youngling any day (If I had one) at a restaurant..
That'd be awesome...

Delayed or not, a child still needs stimulation.... Bart Simpson once
summed it up:

"Stupid TV has impaired my ability to use my imagination..... Oh
well..."

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Tim Marshall

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davvee wrote:

> How would you feel if you had to endure listening to some brat screaming
> it's head off while you were trying to eat, and mommy and daddy smiling
> and ignoring the kid? Barney would probably look pretty good then.

But Davee, that's precisely the point, I think. If you have young
children and they are prone to such behaviour (and every parent knows
this about their kids - at that age, I had one I wouldn't dare take
anywhere, while the other was a princess) you don't take them to such a
place. It really has to do with consideration for others.

With respect for consideration for others, there's just too many folks
around (and of course, I'm not aiming this at you, Davee, I'm just
following up on Naveed's commentary) that are extremely selfish. Last
week at the theatre, there was this couple behind me babbling loudly. I
turned around and as politely as I could, I asked them if they could
keep it down. Then, unbelieveably, the guy starts being rude and
saying, among other things: "It's none of his business that we're talking".

This was in a theatre with a movie playing, mind you. To top it off,
when I went to get the manager, the same kid, when coming down the
stairs, assaulted me by plowing into me as hard as he could with his
shoulder. I threw the bastard down the stairs and after the movie, the
theatre gave me free tickets for the trouble this goon had caused.

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Brenda

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"It rubs the lotion on its skin..." You need to have a good look at
yourself. Your hostility towards children is disturbing at best.

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Brenda

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Oh! I'm so insulted. Boo, hoo, hoo. Now, you've gone and ruined my whole
day. F-off, retard. Do you really think I care what some low-life like you
thinks about anything? Don't answer that unless you're planning on changing
your ID again. Plonk.

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davvee

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Jul 5, 2006, 11:09:48 AM7/5/06

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Whatever gave you the impression that I have hostility toward children?
I love children...I really do! It's idiotic parents that I can't stand.
You really do need to let go of this amateur psychology kick you seem to
be on.

davvee

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Jul 5, 2006, 11:10:52 AM7/5/06

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Never would Ed...I don't drive if I've had anything to drink...period.

davvee

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Jul 5, 2006, 11:13:17 AM7/5/06

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I agree with absolutely everything you've said! Especially the part
about consideration of others. Oh...and I like that you managed to sort
the goon out properly. Good man!

Brenda

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"Whatever gave you the impression that I have hostility toward children?"

Your OP, as well as, a multitude of your other posts in threads on the topic
of child behaviour and parenting.

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Ali

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Jul 5, 2006, 6:07:15 PM7/5/06

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i guess my only response to this whole thing would be that it is really easy
to sit on the outside, and judge others, when you don't know what their
situation is, or why they did what they did... could be any number of
reasons why they brought the dvd player... i was sitting here thinking of a
few, but in reality, i don't know why they did it, and who am i to judge....

I make that statement, because as a parent, there are many times that i have
done things that to people on the outside, would not make sense, or may look
bad, etc.... but there is usually a good reason behind it... and if not a
real good reason, than just the excuse of needing a bit of a break would fit
in there too....

The one situtation that comes to mind is when i was a young mother of
two.... both under 2 years old.... the youngest was breast feeding, and
wasn't getting enough milk... Not having a manual, or reference (my oldest
was quite healthy) I didn't realize it... He ended up having to go in to the
hospital for being underweight and dehidrated...

when i brought him in the hospital, it was the middle of the day, when my
husband was at work. i was in a small town, out west, with no other family
around, and didn't know any other parents... i had to bring my oldest with
me (who was... and still is, extremely active), and in the process of
settling the baby away, my oldest started acting up, and running around the
hospital and stuff....

Me... trying to be the good, responsible parent, decided that the baby would
be fine, surrounded by nurses and doctors, and such, so i would take the
oldest home, and go back to the hospital when my spouse got home to take
care of the oldest. The nurses asked me if i wanted a cot set up at the
hospital to stay that night, but i advised no, as i had my other child home,
and i had to be there as well (as i said, my oldest was quite active)..

When i came back that day (as soon as my husband got home) i walked in and
overheard a nurse on the phone, talking to her friend about how this girl
just dropped her baby off and left again... i was humiliated, upset,
embarrased... as i was the terrible mother that she was talking about.

I will tell you now... i love my kids... unconditionally, and with all my
heart.... but as a young mother, i was really trying to do what was best for
everyone, with limited resources....

my point is... it is really easy to sit on the outside and judge why people
do things, or why, as parents they do things... but unless you know what is
going on inside their head.... well you get the picture....

all that goes out the window, however,. when a child is being abused...
stick your nose in anytime with that.... but otherwise, well, worry about
your own, say "well, i wouldn't choose to do that with my own child" and
leave it at that....

and hopefully, when you do have your own, and do something that others deem
as being not right, or not perfect, just remember that it all goes with
being a parent, and trying to do what is right....

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Many times you don't know how your dinner out is going to go until you get
there and sometimes not even till half way through the meal when a child
bites his or her tongue or something.

I've known so may people like you, shit, I used to be like you. "My kids
will never act that way or do that.. blah blah blah". Well I assure you,
every kid acts that way or does that once in a while.. it's part of growing
up and expressing themselves. Sometimes as a baby or toddler it's the only
way they can express themselves. Those parents who say their kids never act
up are bold face liars or are gonna have kids that grow up holding
everything inside until one day they snap and they wind up in a tower
somewhere taking potshots at passersby with a high powered rifle.

Learn to deal with it, have some patience and show the same respect you'd
like to be shown.

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davvee

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Jul 6, 2006, 7:17:26 AM7/6/06

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The self-righteous comments made in this group when it comes to children
are amazing. Not only did I NOT call every kid who cries a brat, in my
original post I came to the defense of the parents, who in their
estimation, found it best to show their kid a Barney movie, in which
some other self righteous person commented on what lousy parents these
guys are. Whatever the reason is that they decided that the Barney movie
was the best course of action for them is nobody's business. Neither
you, I or anyone else has the right to question the motives of parents.
I'm sure you agree with that statement.

The same is true for the feelings of patrons of public places. If
parents of some child (I'll refrain from calling the child a brat)(for
Brenda)who is having a tantrum in a public place like a restaurant,
ignore the child for some psuedo-psycological reason, then paying
customers, who have to endure the tantrum have a right to feel
frustrated and pissed off...and...call the child a brat. I have
explained to others on here that I like children...Children are
wonderful and most kids are pretty good most of the time...some parents
however, make them brats. It's not the kids I get annoyed with...it's
the parents.

Congratulations Rob...You sound like you have a wonderful family and I
wish you the best with that. In fact, from your description, I have no
doubt that you are one of the parents that handle tricky situations that
occur from time to time with your children in a very responsible manner.

I'd be careful in threatening violence however. If someone came at me
violently, because I became annoyed at a situation, well...two things
would happen...First, the person had better be VERY prepared to defend
themselves, and secondly, had best be prepared for a charge of assault
that under no circumstances would go away.

Have a great day.

MacArthur

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Well said, Rob!

There is that magic moment between being childless, and being a parent where
everything changes forever.

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davvee wrote:
> The self-righteous comments made in this group when it comes to children
> are amazing. Not only did I NOT call every kid who cries a brat,

8) Look Davee, you have to face it, man. You've been branded the evil
Mr Miacca (anyone remember this scary story from a grade 2 or 3 reader
many years ago?) who devours any child unfortunate enough to be found
within 10 feet of you. I mean Hanel and Gretal's witch in the
gingerbread house is a demure sunday school teacher compared to you,
b'y! 8)

I think you need to wear a sign like those people who advertize chicken
joints who wave at people on the side of the road whereever you go!!!

It'd just ake people feel better.

8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Brenda

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Jul 6, 2006, 10:44:33 AM7/6/06

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"Not only did I NOT call every kid who cries a brat, in my original post..."

Your absolutely right, you didn't call every kid who cries a brat in your OP
but what about previous posts?

"You know...if they sound like a brat...and act like a brat...then they are
probably... brats!"

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davvee

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Jul 6, 2006, 11:54:00 AM7/6/06

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That's calling all children brats??? Geez Brenda...get a grip by'e!

D. Winsor

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> Well said, Rob!
>
> There is that magic moment between being childless, and being a parent
> where everything changes forever.

Put all the embarrassing machissimo displayed here by male parents aside,
and consider how difficult it is to run herd on a totally irrational human
being. Employers have almost totally given up on trying to keep tabs on the
coming and going of the parents in the workplace nursery. Employers know
the single worker is available and won't be distracted by "family
happenings" like illness and the court time for people like Rob who feel the
need to defend their children with physical reprisal for people who almost
come in contact with their children.

I've seen parents so relaxed when they finally get a night out to eat in a
restaurant that their children were beneath the waitress they tripped with a
tray full of food flying all over both of them and the parents' table they
were relaxing at. Of course the dining single need only keep their weary
feet out of the waitresses way as they try to relax amid the family din from
the exhaustion of the overtime hours of picking up the slack of their
parenting co-workers. The waitress would of course be at fault in both
instances because the wayward child is just an extension of the parenting
diners. Often times that "magickal moment" McArthur speaks of seem to the
single to be the parenting persons' dogged and greedy willingness to
embarrass themselves at the expense of singles and others not so burdened as
they themselves.

One thing is certain in a parent's life is that they won't see themselves as
responsible for the havoc they or their children wrought on others because
the parenting gene doesn't seem to allow that. It's a good thing
responsible parenting is an hereditary occupation. Chances are that if your
parents do no responsible parenting then neither will you.

I say give the kid the TV so he doesn't bother others. Jeezez, when we
people of my age went to a rarely patronised restaurant as kids we had to
act like little adults because it was a special occasion. Family affluence
brings arrogance, eh?

Brenda

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Jul 6, 2006, 12:31:35 PM7/6/06

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Where did I say that you called all children brats?

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Jul 6, 2006, 1:25:48 PM7/6/06

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I very much enjoyed those observations and musings.

Brenda

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Jul 6, 2006, 1:39:13 PM7/6/06

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"...observations and musings."

Oh, is that what it was? Well, since you enjoyed it so much perhaps you
could put the following in plain English for those of us who aren't dazzled
by the BS:

"Parental irrationality towards both their children and their family bubble
was a useful survival trait in humanity's more atavistic and primal days."

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davvee

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Jul 6, 2006, 1:52:25 PM7/6/06

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Why don't you ask Winsor? He's the author. But before you do, I suggest
that you take the sentence you pulled out in isolation and try to put it
in perspective with the rest of his posting.

Uroboros

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Jul 6, 2006, 2:04:36 PM7/6/06

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This is the biggest steaming pile of BS I've ever had the misfortune of
reading - you sound like Rex Murphy after a lobotomy. As a working parent
who takes both my family and on-the-job responsibilities very seriously and
would never use one as an excuse to shirk the other, I am offended by your
comments. Nor would I ever view my child as a "tax benefit" - I'd thank you
not to make such generalizations about those of us lucky enough to be
blessed with a child.

Good day,
Matt

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Brenda

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Jul 6, 2006, 2:09:50 PM7/6/06

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I asked you because of your comment, but fair enough, I'll call on the
author or anyone to decipher this sentence. The fact that it has been taken
out of context makes no difference at all. It is the sentence itself that
makes no sense.

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ali

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Jul 6, 2006, 2:09:12 PM7/6/06

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don't worry about it, brenda.... i have it all figured out now, thanks to
our demi-god, mr. d....

He actually makes sense.... really, he does...

from the sound of his posts, he's perfect... you can't blame him for
sounding so obnoxious.... he has a right to be.... perfect is perfect...

anyway, my plan revolves around him.... in these here days of dna and
cloning, i figure we can make the perfect world now.... with perfect little
d.winsor's.... in fact, everyone should get fixed now... the end of
procreation as we know it. Why try to improve on what is already so
perfect?

anyway, we clone him, and give every family 1.25 of him... everyone will
feel sooo blessed.... and best of all, we will all get a tax break....

oh yeah, and since he is so perfect, we will no longer have to stay home for
a sick child, have to take him to the dentist, spend hours helping with
homework. We will no longer have to worry when they are out past curfew....
we won 't have to pay for any activities, like hockey or other sports to
help keep them out of trouble, because they will be perfect, quiet little
gentlemen all of the time...

we won't even need to have little girls any more... get rid of sex,
violence, all that is bad in the world.

Think of the money we will save.... they won't need any fancy gadgets, just
supply them with coloring books and crayons, and teach them how perfect they
are....

I am so excited about this..... i think i'll see if i can get two... it will
be such a relief to raise such a perfect person... then, no one can look
back and blame me for misdeeds, cause they will never do anything wrong....
i can look like the perfect parent!

and hey, if anything were to happen to them, well, just clone another....
you really don't have to worry about it any more....

Sign me up!

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naw.... not suffering.... whether it is blessed, or lucky, or whatever you
want to call it.... i am fortunate enough to have the kids that i do have...
and i would do it 100 times over.... not for a tax break, or time from
work, but because they are amazing.... to watch them grow and develop..
become their own people... and no one... not even you, dan, can cheapen
that...

has nothing to do with being "baron" or not, or whether you want them or
not... or being more entitled to anything...

kids are the most precious gift that I, and many others have... some abuse
it, some couldn't give a shit... and yes, some see it as a way to get
money... but to generalize, and call down parents... well, you know where
you can go with your comments....

Me? I know i will probably be up waiting for my oldest to get home
tonight... my youngest will probably have me driving him and his friends all
over creation.... but when i blow him a kiss (he is 14) and he catches it,
and puts it in his pocket to "save it for later".... well, to me, any
sacrifice is worth it.... and one day, if i am extremely lucky, i will also
have grandkids...

so take your selfrightious, obnoxious, self-serving, antagonistic bullshit,
and shove it...

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Brenda

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Jul 6, 2006, 2:32:47 PM7/6/06

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Yes those damned, responsible parents, working hard to provide decent homes
and an enriched upbringing for their children so they might go on to become
productive and valued citizens of tomorrow. How we pale in comparison to
single and/or childless individuals who also work hard and party even
hardier. I suppose their employers don't mind when they call-in sick due to
a hangover or just because they want to make that week-end blast last a
little longer.

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"ali" <alioo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> naw.... not suffering.... whether it is blessed, or lucky, or whatever you
> want to call it.... i am fortunate enough to have the kids that i do
> have... and i would do it 100 times over.... not for a tax break, or time
> from work, but because they are amazing.... to watch them grow and
> develop.. become their own people... and no one... not even you, dan, can
> cheapen that...

Nor can you belittle a life without the little wonders.

>
> has nothing to do with being "baron" or not, or whether you want them or
> not... or being more entitled to anything...
>
> kids are the most precious gift that I, and many others have... some abuse
> it, some couldn't give a shit... and yes, some see it as a way to get
> money... but to generalize, and call down parents... well, you know where
> you can go with your comments...

Nonsense. My comments stand for what many people see parents as.

>
> Me? I know i will probably be up waiting for my oldest to get home
> tonight... my youngest will probably have me driving him and his friends
> all over creation.... but when i blow him a kiss (he is 14) and he catches
> it, and puts it in his pocket to "save it for later".... well, to me, any
> sacrifice is worth it.... and one day, if i am extremely lucky, i will
> also have grandkids...

Aw, that's sweet. I bet you'd be embarrassing them if they knew you were
talking abouth them like this

>
> so take your selfrightious, obnoxious, self-serving, antagonistic
> bullshit, and shove it...

No sweat. Don't you see your insular little family bubble perspective as
the self-righteous stand?

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So, you can't decipher it.

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ali

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Jul 6, 2006, 2:55:13 PM7/6/06

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i don't.... like i said, it is not a matter of being more entitled, etc....
it is a matter of what you want...

my bf doesn't want kids, and that is fine, i have my two, and that is enough
for me, until they are older, and give me grandkids i can spoil.... they are
the reason i tried to do something with my life, and their happiness and
security makes me happy.... but i am well aware that it is not for
everyone...

i am far from a perfect person, far from a perfect mother... my kids are far
from perfect kids... no i don't see it as the self-rightious stand... it is
commenting on what you have tried to belittle... you are happy in your
little world, i am happy in mine... if they ever meet, great... if not,
well, know that me, as a parent, who does at times have to take work off to
take care of the "little darlings" is doing my best to raise them to be
responsible, decent human beings... so they are not out trying to destroy
your life, what you are working for.

I look forward to being free of the responsibility of raising kids in the
next few years, but having been there, and doing it for so long, i can tell
you now that what you say about parents is bull.... most parents (again, i
am aware, not all) do take their job as a parent very seriously, and to have
you stand there and put down what we are trying to do, what is important to
us...

anyway, i know you will respond again, with something to make my point of
view seem like nothing... you like to get the last word in... you are never
happy with not... i know you won't appologize for the shit you spewed... i
don't mean to me, but to parents in general... because in your head, you are
right, you were right, you will always be right, and that is just the way it
is....

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Uroboros

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There's some of that "embarrassing machissimo" for you - seriously, that's
not even worth commenting on. As for my choice of moniker, I suggest you do
a little more research into its meaning.

This is the last you'll hear from me - have a nice day.

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"Brenda" <bshe...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message

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> So, you can't decipher it.

I sure can. Others can too. Do you often not understand what goes on
outside your family bubble? How do you know Rex hasn't had a lobotomy?
That's the same sort of presumption you're using in trying to decode things
outside your little family. I'm sure Rex is very insulted, but he seems a
lot calmer these days, eh?
>

Brenda

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I'm a stay-at-home mother, so when my child is sick, I look after her. Her
father, however, ended-up going back to work two days early during his
latest break to cover, yet again, for his back-to-back who just happens to
be single. I guess it's just a coincidence that it was a long week-end.

My husband has been in supervisory positions for a number of years. During
that time, he has taken many phone calls in the middle of the night from
assholes out drinking who suddenly decided they didn't feel like showing-up
for work in the morning. Yet, to my knowledge, not once did he receive a
call from a parent requiring time-off due to a sick child.

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Brenda

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Jul 6, 2006, 3:17:12 PM7/6/06

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"Others can too."

Yes, well, don't everyone reply at the same time!

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"ali" <alioo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> anyway, i know you will respond again, with something to make my point of
> view seem like nothing... you like to get the last word in... you are
> never happy with not... i know you won't appologize for the shit you
> spewed... i don't mean to me, but to parents in general... because in your
> head, you are right, you were right, you will always be right, and that is
> just the way it is....

Speaks volumes.

D. Winsor

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"Brenda" <bshe...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message

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> I'm a stay-at-home mother, so when my child is sick, I look after her.
> Her father, however, ended-up going back to work two days early during his
> latest break to cover, yet again, for his back-to-back who just happens to
> be single. I guess it's just a coincidence that it was a long week-end.
>
> My husband has been in supervisory positions for a number of years.
> During that time, he has taken many phone calls in the middle of the night
> from assholes out drinking who suddenly decided they didn't feel like
> showing-up for work in the morning. Yet, to my knowledge, not once did he
> receive a call from a parent requiring time-off due to a sick child.

What a devout bunch! I have my doubts... Besides, wouldn't that info be
privileged? I mean for you to know such things would be a violation of the
employee's privacy. Got their social insurance numbers too?

Brenda

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Jul 6, 2006, 3:44:07 PM7/6/06

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Sorry, I don't remember giving you their names or even their place of work.
As for me knowing these things, well, I was the one answering the phone at
four in the morning.

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MacArthur

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--
Live strong and have a nice day, - "Nil carborundum illegitimi"!

Mac

Over 1490 Links at Http://MacArthur.Funknstyle.Com - NL Link of The
Week:"Rob Munslow's Atlantic Odyssey"

"D. Winsor" <dewi...@noshitfromshinglers.dum> wrote in message

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>

> I say give the kid the TV so he doesn't bother others. Jeezez, when we
> people of my age went to a rarely patronised restaurant as kids we had to
> act like little adults because it was a special occasion. Family
> affluence brings arrogance, eh?

Magic aside; my children were also expected to "act like little adults
because it was a special occasion" whether at a restaurant or any other
activity.

On one occasion my 1 and 1/2 year old who was feeling poorly and didn't seem
content at a restaurant was taken to the car, where he and Dad had a lovely
picnic while the rest of the family (and the other patrons) ate in peace.

Being a proud, and a responsible parent is neither difficult or impossible.
--
Live strong and have a nice day, - "Nil carborundum illegitimi"!

Mac

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"MacArthur" <mymacaddress...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> On one occasion my 1 and 1/2 year old who was feeling poorly and didn't
> seem content at a restaurant was taken to the car, where he and Dad had a
> lovely picnic while the rest of the family (and the other patrons) ate in
> peace.
>
> Being a proud, and a responsible parent is neither difficult or
> impossible.

These days people would scoff at the thought of a magickally disciplined
moment like that. Does he remember it as a special time too?

MacArthur

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Indeed!

--
Live strong and have a nice day, - "Nil carborundum illegitimi"!

Mac

Over 1490 Links at Http://MacArthur.Funknstyle.Com - NL Link of The
Week:"Rob Munslow's Atlantic Odyssey"

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> Indeed!
>

That's gold you can't spend, eh?.

Rob Sheppard

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Brenda, I know you and I aren't buddies by any means, but let me just offer
some friendly words of advice. Don't bother asking Dan to explain anything
in layman's terms. He's been writing on her for years with a thesaurus for
years, and he ain't going to change. We had our own mix up in the past and
in most parts have agreed to disagree. The great part of having kids, is
that I now have more of a life so I don't spend my time on here trying to
prove how intellectually superior I am to everyone else. I just drop in now
and then to see what kind of shit is going on.

That being said, I'll respond here to Dan about me needing court time for my
actions with the asshole in the parking lot. Maybe I should have elaborated
a little more.
First off, after the guy said what he said, I confronted him about his
response to my (at the time 2 and 1/2 yr old, I also made sure that my kids
were safely in the van and out of sight/hearing range), the punk got
belligerent and saucy and shoved me as he was making his way from his trunk
to the driver;s door. It was at that time that I popped him one. Self
defense, but I also laid the warning that if wanted to make another comment
about my son, who was unable to defend himself, that I would stick up for
him and things may not be as pleasant as this encounter went.

If my son had been picking through this guys cart or something I can see him
being peeved, but my son did what any adult would have done, he dropped
something and bent down to pick it up. I do it all over again in a
heartbeat.

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Rob Sheppard

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Jul 7, 2006, 2:47:00 AM7/7/06

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I guess some things never change eh Dan?

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"Rob Sheppard" <robsh...@spammenot.shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>I guess some things never change eh Dan?

Universals.

D. Winsor

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"Rob Sheppard" <robsh...@spammenot.shaw.ca> wrote in message

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> Brenda, I know you and I aren't buddies by any means, but let me just
> offer some friendly words of advice. Don't bother asking Dan to explain
> anything in layman's terms. He's been writing on her for years with a
> thesaurus for years, and he ain't going to change.

Is that what a vocab is?

>We had our own mix up in the past and in most parts have agreed to
>disagree. The great part of having kids, is that I now have more of a life
>so I don't spend my time on here trying to prove how intellectually
>superior I am to everyone else. I just drop in now and then to see what
>kind of shit is going on.

So they take up all your time.

>
> That being said, I'll respond here to Dan about me needing court time for
> my actions with the asshole in the parking lot. Maybe I should have
> elaborated a little more.
> First off, after the guy said what he said, I confronted him about his
> response to my (at the time 2 and 1/2 yr old, I also made sure that my
> kids were safely in the van and out of sight/hearing range), the punk got
> belligerent and saucy and shoved me as he was making his way from his
> trunk to the driver;s door. It was at that time that I popped him one.
> Self defense, but I also laid the warning that if wanted to make another
> comment about my son, who was unable to defend himself, that I would stick
> up for him and things may not be as pleasant as this encounter went.

So you baited him and then hit him. I love the way you're always the hero
in your violent stories.

> If my son had been picking through this guys cart or something I can see
> him being peeved, but my son did what any adult would have done, he
> dropped something and bent down to pick it up. I do it all over again in a
> heartbeat.

There'd still be thew court time during working hours.

Jen

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Dan,

I can't help but notice an undertone of animosity within your posts
toward "the family unit" and your constant reference to the "barren."
In my experience people who are bitter and/or hostel are so because of
things that have happened to them. Are you one of these "barren" people
who could not have children and that void has created such envy and
jealousy that you have to degrade and belittle those of us who are
fortunate enough to be able to have children?

-Jen

Brenda

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Water under the bridge. "Buddies"... no, but surely not enemies. : )

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"Jen" <wals...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dan,
>
> I can't help but notice an ***undertone*** of animosity within your posts

> toward "the family unit" and your constant reference to the "barren."
> In my experience people who are bitter and/or hostel are so because of
> things that have happened to them. Are you one of these "barren" people
> who could not have children and that void has created such envy and
> jealousy that you have to degrade and belittle those of us who are
> fortunate enough to be able to have children?

The of my text is only the mirror of the tone of the hysterical parent types
in this post. You've all surely shown yourselves as the "irrational" ones
as I said in my second post. I have to wonder if the parents who responded
so harshly to my posts have even read them past the point where they see red
when trying to read them. If you see "belittlement and degradation" in
language like "the family unit" and the reverse of the "blessed" in the
non-parental "barren", do you not also see self-agrandisement in the
language the parent types use to describe their families and job devotion?
The only balanced family poster here has been MacArthur, and his last posts
directly to me damns the typical "modern parent" and most of the parental
type posters here far more than I have.

I guess you parental types who've gathered this angry mob with torches see a
little to much of yourselves and your parenting in the satire about the
"employment kindergarten". Oh well, that's what it's supposed to do.
Geezez, I guess you'd all be out brawling in parking lots like Rob if you
were to meet me in person. Now there's a fine example of an irrational
parent. With his kids safely in the car, what if he'd gotten knifed or shot
during his confrontation? Oh well, he'd "do it all again tomorrow" no
matter what the consequence. What you see as "bitter and envious" vitriol
just means I'm laughing at you and not with you.

D. Winsor

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The **tone*** of my text...

alioo...@hotmail.com

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Jul 7, 2006, 8:50:30 AM7/7/06

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maybe it does... but you did exactly that....

D. Winsor

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> maybe it does... but you did exactly that....

What's your point? The parental types here seem to place a positive value
judgement on their "accomplishment" of basic breeding. IF your child ends
up to be a serial killer, pervert or traitor to his country, what value will
you place on that accomplisment then? I'm neither "right" nor wrong, but I
am giving back the mirror image, exactly reversed image, of the parental
hubris posted here by most of you.

The responses here are just like those incessant wallet pictures parents
carry with them. Those pictures are always never ending and always quick to
be inappropriately displayed to people who apparently can never see them
long enough or closely enough. Parenthood is the main cause of poor taste
and suspect scruples in otherwise decent people.

Jen

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Jul 7, 2006, 9:35:16 AM7/7/06

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Well to start I would appreciate if you would stop directed all that to
me ("you parental types..." "Your parenting..." "You've all
shown..." etc) as that was my fist post to this thread!

As for the others who you claim have been "irrational" well there were
some points made that I agree with and others that I don't. But I
understand why they see red, its because, no matter how you try to
pretty it up, you have tried to belittle and degrade the family unit.
You are the person who started talking about work ethic and tax
benefits so make no wonder people reacted harshly to your posts; they
are down right insulting!

You said and I quote;

"I wonder what your co-workers would say about your supposed

dedication... you parents are blind to your failings because you can
and do have children." "Parenthood is the main cause of poor taste

and suspect scruples in otherwise decent people."

Are you so self-righteous that you can not see how insulting that is?
Honestly, how did/do you think most people would/will react to that? I
am not laughing but rather shaking my head at you out of sympathy that
you have such an inimical outlook on parenting, and the questioning of
what ever happened to you that made you look at us "parental types"
in such bad light.

-Jen

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Jul 7, 2006, 9:56:45 AM7/7/06

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How's it going Dan? It's been a while.
You're right, I'm always the hero. The thing is, you're always the jack-ass.
Now you can kindly go f*ck yourself.

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Brenda

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Did I say you had contempt for children?

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"Rob Sheppard" <robsh...@spammenot.shaw.ca> wrote in message

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> How's it going Dan? It's been a while.
> You're right, I'm always the hero. The thing is, you're always the
> jack-ass. Now you can kindly go f*ck yourself.

Hook line and sinker. :-)>

D. Winsor

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"Brenda" <bshe...@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message

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> Did I say you had contempt for children?

Nope. I don't have contempt for those with children either. I have
contempt for the flaws of the parents showing in the children when both of
them know better. A waitress with a tray of food is good enough reason to
run herd on you irrationally relaxing parental types. I doubt many of you
take exception to McArthur's post, eh? That's cause you see yourselves like
he describes, but a walk through the mall shows a different stripe of
parenting in vogue today.

A DVD at a restaurant table is very innovative consideration for others, but
the "need" for it, if indeed there was an actual need, is a whole other
kettle of fish. Either way, I think ugly and mis-behaving families should
be banned from parks and scenic sites too. Ever had your well deserved
timeout ruined by one of those?

Jen

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Jul 7, 2006, 10:20:10 AM7/7/06

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D. Winsor wrote:
> What happened to me? Nothing. Just look to the children. Those "children"
> we see aren't to blame, so I guess it must be those same parents I'm talking
> about. Did you celebrate the budget with your "popcorn and beer" money?

Hahaha, now I am laughing at you! I don't drink and if I did drink it
certainly wouldn't be beer! As for popcorn, it's an occasional treat
while hubby and I curl up and watch a movie. In regards to the budget,
I couldn't care less what happened with the budget when it comes to
GST/HST or the family tax credit... more money or less it doesn't
matter, nothing is going to change, my children will continue to eat
the same foods, they will continue to wear good clothing, they will
continue to be loved and sheltered from arrogant people like yourself.

Did you drown your sorrows with beer and peanuts while watching the
budget? Damn those "family units" for getting anything that may
help them a little! What is the world coming to? How pathetic.

-Jen

Jen

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Jul 7, 2006, 10:25:25 AM7/7/06

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Jen wrote:
> nothing is going to change...

Well not completely true... any extra money received will go to my
daughter's and son's RESP's. What a bat I must be hey!

-Jen

D. Winsor

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Jul 7, 2006, 10:27:19 AM7/7/06

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"Jen" <wals...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Did you drown your sorrows with beer and peanuts while watching the
> budget? Damn those "family units" for getting anything that may
> help them a little! What is the world coming to? How pathetic.

Actually I was refering to Harper's betrayal of universal childcare. Did
you get your cheque? I like peanuts and beer, but not those family places
where they encourage you to throw the peanut shells on the floor.

D. Winsor

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Jul 7, 2006, 10:32:41 AM7/7/06

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"Jen" <wals...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>
> Jen wrote:
>> nothing is going to change...

Plenty changes.

>
> Well not completely true... any extra money received will go to my
> daughter's and son's RESP's. What a bat I must be hey!

Now there's change for you, eh? The same people who voted in the commons to
give you that "opportunity" for your family, went through a much more
publickly funded education system that statistically speaking had a much
higher rate of deadbeat education borrows who never repaid their generous
student loans. Yes, that's fairly pathetic.

alioo...@hotmail.com

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Jul 7, 2006, 10:36:38 AM7/7/06

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you are just horrible, jen.... i guess i will have to forgo downtown,
put off the crack party, and spend any extra i got on the coming hockey
season... my son has grown about 6 inches in the last 3 months... don't
think he will fit his gear...

i have never known the "tax credits" to even half cover the cost of
children....

with or without any tax break tho, my kids, like yours, will still eat,
will still be clothed... will have what they need to be healthy and
happy.... i will make sure of it... and hopefully with the time that i
spend with them, well, they will be productive members... and if not,
don't worry, i know where the blame lies.... but as there is no manual,
i am doing the best i can with the resources i have... and learning as
i go.

Jen

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Jul 7, 2006, 10:37:18 AM7/7/06

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D. Winsor wrote:
> Actually I was refering to Harper's betrayal of universal childcare. Did
> you get your cheque? I like peanuts and beer, but not those family places
> where they encourage you to throw the peanut shells on the floor.

No I didn't, and to be honest about it I don't know anything about
it. I don't pay much attention to politics anymore as it is just
frustrating to watch. But that's a whole other story!

Yes, peanut shells on the floor are quite annoying and, needless to
say, dangerous.

-Jen

Jen

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Jul 7, 2006, 10:51:27 AM7/7/06

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You caught me off guard with your opening sentence, lol. I saw "red" as
Dan would say and was thinking "WTF, what did I say this time?"
Hahaha...

Yeah we are all learning as we go, even learning from one child to the
next (for those of us with more than one) as no two children are alike.
It's a slippery slop we climb and no matter how hard we try, our little
angels today may become little devils in twenty years and there really
isn't much we can do about other than try to teach them the difference!
So I don't think that "blame lies" anywhere on those of us who try to
nurture our children and do the best that we can.

-Jen

Tim Marshall

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Jul 7, 2006, 11:09:17 AM7/7/06

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Jen wrote:

>>about. Did you celebrate the budget with your "popcorn and beer" money?
>
> Hahaha, now I am laughing at you! I don't drink and if I did drink it
> certainly wouldn't be beer!

Ummm... I haven't followed this subthread, but I am astonished at how
you completely missed Dan's knock, not against you, but against Steven
Harper.

Hopefully, it just caught you at a bad time and you're a little more
apprised of current events, especially those that directly affect you,
than the above response suggests. If not, then you should be, all the
more so if you have children.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

alioo...@hotmail.com

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Jul 7, 2006, 12:36:51 PM7/7/06

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unfortunately, he has been knocking parents.... period...

but i do agree with the knock against steven harper when it comes to
the child care thing....

what is needed is some good child care spaces, not $100 a month

That... and i am not sure how well known this is.... is TAXABLE in the
hands of the recipient....

the person with the lower net income has to claim it as income on their
income tax return next year....

i do know that 100 dollars is not going to provide much for good
childcare, lol, but the 70 (by the time you factor in taxes) will
provide even less....

i wish the rest of canada would have the same type of child care that
seems to be available in quebec.... (not that i need it, my kids are
too old, but quality child care is important)

Jen

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Jul 7, 2006, 12:55:56 PM7/7/06

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Tim Marshall wrote:
> Ummm... I haven't followed this subthread, but I am astonished at how
> you completely missed Dan's knock, not against you, but against Steven
> Harper.
> Hopefully, it just caught you at a bad time and you're a little more
> apprised of current events, especially those that directly affect you,
> than the above response suggests. If not, then you should be, all the
> more so if you have children.

Be astonished, yes I completely missed Dan's knock at Harper. Perhaps
from the combination of quickly reading over what was said and not
putting much of any thought into it and being inclined to think that he
was just slamming us parents yet again... which is easily done
considering his previous posts. And factor in a certain amount of sleep
deprivation into that and I think it's easy to see why I would have
missed it.

As for me saying that I don't know "anything" about it, perhaps
that was a poor choice of words. I don't know much about it... I am
so sick and tired of the political scene here lately that all I have
been hearing on the news about anything dealing with politics is
"blah blah blah"... what else is new? When isn't someone in
politics giving something then taking it back again, promising
something and then break that promise; when isn't there a scandal of
some sort happening these days? So yeah, I don't pay much attention
to it at the moment because it sickens me. I don't think that makes
me a bad parent just a frustrated one! But as said before, my view on
politics is a whole other story and has nothing to do with this thread.

-Jen

D. Winsor

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Jul 7, 2006, 2:58:02 PM7/7/06

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"Jen" <wals...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> So I don't think that "blame lies" anywhere on those of us who try to
> nurture our children and do the best that we can.

Hahahahahahaha... That's hilarious!
>
> -Jen
>

D. Winsor

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Jul 7, 2006, 3:11:27 PM7/7/06

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<alioo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> unfortunately, he has been knocking parents.... period...

Yip.

>
> but i do agree with the knock against steven harper when it comes to
> the child care thing....
>
> what is needed is some good child care spaces, not $100 a month
>
> That... and i am not sure how well known this is.... is TAXABLE in the
> hands of the recipient....
>
> the person with the lower net income has to claim it as income on their
> income tax return next year....
>
> i do know that 100 dollars is not going to provide much for good
> childcare, lol, but the 70 (by the time you factor in taxes) will
> provide even less....

Why should childcare be tax deductible? Why should parents get exemptions
for their children?

>
> i wish the rest of canada would have the same type of child care that
> seems to be available in quebec.... (not that i need it, my kids are
> too old, but quality child care is important)

But my hundred dollars will buy what childcare you want. You can tailor
your needs to the money! No more of this institutionalised childcare. Are
you suggesting we put all the kids with working parents in those part-time
orphanages? Jeezez, they might learn to socialise. They might be normal
well meaning citizens who don't mind paying their taxes.