Jakatar
Tim Marshall
>
> Who or what decent are the Jakatar? Why do people get pissed off when you
> call them one?
As far as I understand, it's a term, probably derogatory, for those of
Micmac (sorry, I don't know the proper spelling) descent. Though I've
heard it used to refer to west coasters (of the island) in general. Not
sure where the actual name comes from either.
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Tim Marshall
http://www.heritage.nf.ca/dictionary/:
jackatar n also jackie tar, jackitar, jack-o-tar, jackotaw, jacky tar
[phonetics
unavailable]. Cp OED jack-tar 'appellation for common sailor' (1781-);
EDD jacky
(17) ~ tar , 'a sailor's hornpipe' (1873) Sc; LA MORANDIÈRE iii, 1380
jacotars
[Nfld]. A Newfoundlander of mixed French and Micmac indian descent; the
speech
of such a person.
1857 LIND MS Diary 23 May [I] went to see a poor man who has been
very ill for
7 months, he & all his family belong to a much despised & neglected race
called
'Jack a Tars,' they speak an impure dialect of French & Indian, R.C.'s
and of
almost lawless habits. 1873 HOWLEY MS Reminiscences 15 Intermixed with
all
these [Highland Scotch, the French Acadians and the English in Bay St
George]
were a number of Micmacs and half-breeds, known locally as Jack-o-Tars '
1925
Dial Notes v, 334 Jack-o-tar. A west coast Newfoundlander of half French
or Indian
extraction. 1927 RULE 25-6 The population of the Bay of Islands
consisted [in
1865, apart from English settlers, of] a few mixed French and Indian
blood-jackotaws they were called; though I don't know how the word
should be
spelt. 1933 GREENLEAF xxv The French inhabitants ... speak ... in a
mixed
dialect of French, English, and Indian called 'Jack-a-tar.' T 189/90-65
An' we used
to have some jackatars from over across the island. T 273-66 Jackatar
belonged to
Stephenville [area]. 1966 SZWED 31 Here, the Scots remained resistant to
intermarriage with the French for many years (although marriage occurred
in
increasing numbers), labelling the French 'Jack-o-tars,' a synonym for
halfbreeds.
[1971] GLASSIE (ed) 164 He stops at Journois Brook, Shallop's Cove, and
Bank
Head, settlements known on the West Coast of Newfoundland as the homes
of
the 'Jack-o-Tars,' or 'dark people'—the French-Indians. 1975 BUTLER 89
We met
two Jackie Tar hunters from the West Coast and they told us we would
need a
boat to cross the Humber River.
NaDeana
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KAKEY
because it is slang, as is any other type of slang like damn
mainlanders, townies, baywhops, ni**ers, etc.
K
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MacArtur
offensive. You list a group of such terms but you mask the word nigger. I
agree 100% with the definition below and expansion thereof; but I am
offended by anyone who would use any of the terms you mentioned. I
appreciate your listing of these analogous smears.
The local connotations are only less offending because any particular
reference doesn't have the population or the history to invoke the same
degree of digust that "the single most offensive racist slur in the English
language".
Nigger: This term is arguably the single most offensive racist slur in the
English language. The fact that African Americans and other people of color
sometimes use this word in reference to themselves does not excuse its
present-day use by members of other ethnic groups. Those who persist in
using it should remember that their use of the word reflects directly upon
them, the users. The terms of choice are African American, black or black
person, and person of color.
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Alma Peters
derogatory. THANK YOU FOR ENLIGHTENING ME!!!! It will never pass my
lips again.
Bernie
> Slang is not necessarily offensive. Racial or cultural epithets are very
> offensive. You list a group of such terms but you mask the word nigger. I
> agree 100% with the definition below and expansion thereof; but I am
> offended by anyone who would use any of the terms you mentioned. I
> appreciate your listing of these analogous smears.
>
> The local connotations are only less offending because any particular
> reference doesn't have the population or the history to invoke the same
> degree of digust that "the single most offensive racist slur in the English
> language".
>
> Nigger: This term is arguably the single most offensive racist slur in the
> English language. The fact that African Americans and other people of color
> sometimes use this word in reference to themselves does not excuse its
> present-day use by members of other ethnic groups. Those who persist in
> using it should remember that their use of the word reflects directly upon
> them, the users. The terms of choice are African American, black or black
> person, and person of color.
I agree and I feel the same way about 'newfie'. A derogatory
stereotyping term, no matter how innocent or friendly a situation it
is used in.
It is what it is and no sugar-coating can cover up that basic fact.
Bernie
Pen
are known as Jakitars.
Half Mic Mac, half French.
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Alma Peters
introduce myself to "Mainlanders" as a Newfie. I myself am proud to be
called a Newfie. When did it become derogatory?
PJ
Let's keep it that way
http://ffallop.tripod.com/jacktar.jpg
From an issue of Canadian Geographic a few years back.
Cheers,
PJ
Sonya
call each other or ourselves Newfie's as a term of endearment,but
Mainlanders all too often use it in a derogatory manner and then it becomes
a cultural slur.
MacArtur
residents as goofie newfies, stupid newfs, or just plain newf or newfie. I
assume you are aware that we were invaded by the Americans in the 40's.
The upper Canadians were equally guilty of this slur; before and after we
lost our nationhood.
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Debbie Rothman
> When the Americans arrived. They were 'people' and they referred to the
> residents as goofie newfies, stupid newfs, or just plain newf or newfie. I
> assume you are aware that we were invaded by the Americans in the 40's.
>
> The upper Canadians were equally guilty of this slur; before and after we
> lost our nationhood.
>
>
> --
> Have a good day,
>
> M
>
>
of the word "newfie" by American or Canadian soldiers in World War II
(or by anyone else at any other time). I am also aware of the
displacement of the people of Argentia to make room for an American
base. However, I do want to point out to you that an alternative to
the "American invasion" of Newfoundland in the 1940s might well have
been a German invasion, and I don't think that would have been
preferable! There were, in fact, some German incursions.
Newfoundland's location was (and is) such that it is a port of entry
for any threat emanating from Europe, and its defense by the Allied
forces was essential to the war effort.
I might also say, although perhaps this is a bit controversial,
that this "invasion" also created many jobs, not to mention many
marriages.
Debbie Rothman
Brooklyn, NY
Shauna
in Newfoundland. They created jobs for many starving Newfoundlanders.
I also know of many happy marriages produced as well. But, did you
know that the Americans abandoned bases here in Newfoundland (
actually all over the world) and left behind unmeasureable amounts of
toxic chemicals in our enviornment. Many of them cancer causing. There
is garbage and engine parts etc.... scattered all over our pristine
enviornment on these abandoned bases. It is partly the fault of the
canadian govt. that they didn't insist on the cleanup when negotiating
(legally)the moveout of the Americans. Our govt. wouldn't take a stand
(another example of how our politicians are intimidated by the
American Powers. The American govt. knows of the toxic chemicals just
poured into our ecosystem but absolutely refuses to clean up because
they aren't LEGALLY responsible. As I said previously the same
situation has occured all over this planet at abandoned bases. What
will the legacy be for the American bases in the
future...cancer....birthdefects. The sad part is most Newfoundlanders
don't even realize this situation has occurred. I'm darn well sure
this situation hasn't been made aware to the American public.
D. Winsor
free country. That's got to be some sort of violation of law there,
importing nuclear weapons in to a nuclear free zone?
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Heather Russell
> Who or what decent are the Jakatar?
> Why do people get pissed off when you
> call them one?
Because it's a derogatory term the same as Chink, Nigger, Newfie, Jap, or
Squaw.
I would say that the politically correct term would be Metis.
Princeline